np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)

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Seriously;using latios is immensely stressful, because you constantly have to watch out for being pursuited, and often you will be randomly killed for no good reason. Hydreigon lacks this problem, and has fire blast to remove other special walls. All latios would need to be a massive threat is those two things-oh yeah, and STAB dark pulse for jellicent/reuiniclus.
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Using latios is indeed not as easy as most of us thought back during round 2 (spam specs draco meteor) and hydriegon doesn't have the problem of running into random pursuit users.

I think I've made my piece but I'd just like to mention that we'd probably still have Blaziken, Garchomp, and Manaphy in OU if we went through the trouble of countering them as much as we have Excadrill.
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Aside from garchomp I agree. Garchomp wasn't banned thanks to counters; he was banned thanks to sand veil hax.

Besides, blaziken's counters are MUCH sparser, especially in its beneficial weather.
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True as this may be, we don't know what the metagame would have turned out like with blaziken still around. If you told me that 252/252 SpD tyranitar would be one of his most popular sets back during gen 4, I would have laughed at you. And yet, here we are. What's to say players wouldn't end up using 252/252 bold starmie as a means to counter blaziken? (isn't ohko'd by anything save for +2 adamant shadow claw and has trouble with mixken). Dealing with blaze mainly entailed figuring out what set he was running. Or packing heavy priority.
 
alphatron said:
Using latios is indeed not as easy as most of us thought back during round 2 (spam specs draco meteor) and hydriegon doesn't have the problem of running into random pursuit users.



Aside from garchomp I agree. Garchomp wasn't banned thanks to counters; he was banned thanks to sand veil hax.



True as this may be, we don't know what the metagame would have turned out like with blaziken still around. If you told me that 252/252 SpD tyranitar would be one of his most popular sets back during gen 4, I would have laughed at you. And yet, here we are. What's to say players wouldn't end up using 252/252 bold starmie as a means to counter blaziken? (isn't ohko'd by anything save for +2 adamant shadow claw and has trouble with mixken). Dealing with blaze mainly entailed figuring out what set he was running. Or packing heavy priority.
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Slowbro? Victini? Dragonite?
 
I personally think we should give good ol blaze a second chance back in OU. With all of the rain teams running rampant, we have counters to blaziken. We just banned him without a second thought because of speed boost. But personally, he isn't THAT powerful. He can be taken down. Sure he sweeps, but that's what sweepers DO. They are speedy and powerful. *Cough Excadrill cough.* If exca is still OU, then why can't a sweeper like blaziken be?
 
Slowbro lost to Mixken (2hko'd by fire blast if the Blaziken isn't running Hp Elec/Grass). Niether dragonite or victini liked switching in on a possible stone edge after SR damage. They weren't exactly surefire checks.

Then again, the same applies to most of latios' checks anyway. Even tyranitar can fear the 2hko by grass knot unless he's scarfed. And I don't recall someone actually using stone edge whenever I switched in scarf victini.

Edit: T-wave thundurus counts too.
 
well there arent that many counters to blaziken once it sets up. (+2 with +1 speed).... only slowbro.

but things like excadrill are still countered at... +2 +4 hell, even +6 by skarmory and bronzong.

also, what do u uys think about choice scarf scizor? i always wanted a fast STAB u-turner... COUGHGENESECTCOUGH...

maybe
iron head
u turn
superpower
bullet punch?
 
blaziken had a number of checks... I always used gliscor on a drizzle team

I agree, we should give it another chance. You often had to sack something to bring blaziken down, but that can be said of any number of powerful pokemon, such as CB Haxorus, landorus, etc
 
I think we need to think outside of the box.... What was that guy called again.... Um.... Gigalith was it? He has defence to take a hit and eathquake to hit it.
 
Not gigalith...but cresselia and mew were great ways to take him down without sunlight up. Niether one was ohko'd even after a sword's dance by anything blaziken could do. Yeah, cresselia sucks. But no one will be saying that once it finally has a purpose. Look at azumarrill.
 
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I think we need to think outside of the box.... What was that guy called again.... Um.... Gigalith was it? He has defence to take a hit and eathquake to hit it.
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Really. He can take a plus two STAB SE Base power 130 move with a possible life orb boost?

Really?


REALLY?

No.
 
I've said this before, but if you REALLY want to dig down for ridiculous checks, then sturdy steelix is the best one. Just make sure you opponent doesn't have stacked hazard layers. If he only has SR down, then that's fine.
 
Yeah, but it takes 12% from stealth rocks MMF, so it can't recover it all on the switch-in. It'd need protect.

Also weak to t-spikes.
 
i know its not released. it works as long as there arent hazards. like gigalith and steelix.

EDIT: ifyou really want a counter that doesnt rely on rapid spin, use sash reuniclus.
 
Well, the thing with steelix is that he 4x resists SR, so he can just use protect as leftovers heals him back to full health.
 
-__- i could use heatran, and use protect to stall out hi jump kick recoil and life orb recoil. if youre counting protect in, hell conkeldurr is the best check. protect on the obvious hi jump kick, and then mach punch.
 
Considering the fact that I've lost to a friggin protect GARCHOMP before, I can't even argue against you. Yeah, those can all technically work.
 
You could;obviously, but if they have good prediction and SD on your protects...

Besides, heatran is alright, but conk is a terrible one;he needs his four moveslots to be at all viable.
 
Lol, but that's the thing. After they don't see it coming you have a pokemon whose sole purpose is now to screw up blaze, basically. Since it can't perform any other task without that moveslot.
One for one is alright, but you can do much better.
 
actually people run this set:

conkeldurr @flame orb
guts
252 hp or watever 252 attack 4 watever
protect
mach punch
drain punch
payback/stone edge
 
But that set sucks. It's just an attacking set that gets walled by all the same stuff bulk up conk does, but even MORE so;because it takes high amounts of residual damage and has no way of boosting attack, so you can just switch around and wait for it to DIE.
 
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