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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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Drain Punch everything not part Ghost and you should recover off the burn damage easily. It's not as good as Bulk Up but hey it can work unless you purposely want it to die.
Just saying, no set Blaziken can run seems really broken in OU now especially because the high usage of opposing weather. Blaziken has strong STABs, great. In about 16% of battles only one is relevant, in about 23-ish% percent of battles it's gotta survive residual damage, which it takes a lot of.
SR weak, hit by spikes, frail defenses to begin with, throw in LO and SS and you get the LOSS of a pokemon. It can be handled, it's not as if it 2HKOes the whole tier and you're forced to sit there and take it. And btw, banning Garchomp for Sand Veil hax wasn't one of the smartest decisions made around here recently. If Garchomp gave your team that much trouble you should've ran Rain, or Sun, or an ice attack, or Sunny Day, you get the drift right?
havent you heard the horror stories of losing to a garchomp because hp ice missed 4 times in a row
imo misshax has no place in competitive pokemon
No, you really won't. You'll just get switched around and outstalled.
It DOES 2hitko the entire metagame, and it can carry a damn ninetales to cancel that kind of stuff out.
As for chomp, you CAN carry an ice attack. And if you have to run a type of weather to counter it and can't run a certain, popular kind of weather, then that's horseshit. And good luck sunny daying on a chomp;bro, since with boosted fire attacks nothing in the entire OU metagame isn't 2hitko'd by it.
Reminding people right now that this thread is not to discuss the brokenness of a Pokemon, Blaziken has been banned and its tiering should not be discussed.
RestTalk Gyarados and Hitmontop provide an interesting combo right now imo. I've been running them alongside Wishmence which keeps them both healthy and the dual Intimidate greatly helps check physical attackers. Hitmontop throws out Mach Punch to corral Excadrill. Paired with something to take out Jellicent/Vaporeon RestTalk Gyara can quickly amass enough DD's to sweep.
Okay now that I've tested it a bit more i'd also like to profess the virtues of Wish CM Rachi. With Gyarados supporting it by removing Ground types and espescially with Spikes support from Ferrothorn it becomes very easy to amass a couple boosts and sweep with it, while also providing a dual Wish core with Salamence. At +2 Jirachi can Wish and proceed to 2HKO Gliscor with Flash Cannon, Gliscor being its biggest nemesis. Ferrothorn does cause a bit of issue to the set as it resists both Flash Cannon and Thunderbolt.
RestTalk Gyarados and Hitmontop provide an interesting combo right now imo. I've been running them alongside Wishmence which keeps them both healthy and the dual Intimidate greatly helps check physical attackers. Hitmontop throws out Mach Punch to corral Excadrill. Paired with something to take out Jellicent/Vaporeon RestTalk Gyara can quickly amass enough DD's to sweep.
Okay now that I've tested it a bit more i'd also like to profess the virtues of Wish CM Rachi. With Gyarados supporting it by removing Ground types and espescially with Spikes support from Ferrothorn it becomes very easy to amass a couple boosts and sweep with it, while also providing a dual Wish core with Salamence. At +2 Jirachi can Wish and proceed to 2HKO Gliscor with Flash Cannon, Gliscor being its biggest nemesis. Ferrothorn does cause a bit of issue to the set as it resists both Flash Cannon and Thunderbolt.
I don't think it can ever be that simple. That said, with our current process, we do need a more clear definition of an uber... I've been attempting to get this definition into use for some time:
Indeed... although there are other ways to address evasion directly rather than simply targeting its most prominent abuser.
Should not be discussed here, rather.
Breloom laughs at physical Tyranitar and can cripple either of them with Spore. You have to watch out for Ice Beam from Politoed (it's faster) though.
Virizion is similar but has better SpD.
Virizion is similar but has better SpD.
From my experience, there isn't much. You're essentially asking for a Pokemon that can switch into one of the most powerful special attacks in the game (Specstoed Hydro Pump under Rain) AND the most powerful physical attacks in the game (Bandtar). To worsen things, the versatility of these two Pokemon is staggering. Tyranitar can run almost any moveset, from Thunderbolt to Earthquake. Politoed might not have as many attacks, but it can cripple with Scald, Perish Song, or Hypnosis.
Things certainly look grim. From my experience, I would notice which threat your team does worse against and focus on that one. Bronzong is always a good choice as it has access to Sunny Day and noticeable bulk. Chansey can work but won't take much pain from Tyranitar. All of the Rotom formes learn Sunny Day and can play some interesting games with those as well. Best of luck!
I'd recommend Virizion. He has very good Special Defense to switch in on Politoed, only taking about half from Specs Hydro Pump in the rain and around 66-78% from Specs Ice Beam (when uninvested in defenses), while having recovery in Giga Drain if the opponent decides to go for the potential 2HKO. Not sure if he can live through two Specs Ice Beams with Giga Drain recovery though. He doesn't take much from Tyranitar's Crunch and will even get an Attack boost from Justified (watch out for Fire Blast, though it only does slightly less than half on average), and he can set up a Swords Dance or Calm Mind on the switch. Virizion does learn Sunny Day, but he probably shouldn't be setting it up since he has better things to do.
While we're on the subject of weather, I'd like to add that Drizzle has to be banned. Also, Jabba, when is the voting going to take place; I've got a nice team and want to ban Drizzle(:
I like using Chandelure against copy-pasta rain teams. Free wins right there. Yeah you heard... err... read me right. Using a fire type against rain.
I use SubLure with lefties to do this.
Anyways... lead with Ferrothorn. Switch to Chandy as they switch to Toxicroak. Subsitute as they try to Sucker Punch you. Subspam as the guy tries to sucker punch you. Once they go for the SS/BU Shadow Ball the guy. Sub again as he tries to Sucker Punch you. The guy will switch to his Politoed trying to take out Chandy, but you will shadow ball the guy. Now he has to break your sub, but you can still Shadow Ball the guy. At this point, Politoed will almost be dead, and so will Toxicroak. Your Sub is gone, so switch to Ferro, lay some Spikes/SR as he switches to Toxicroak. Switch back to Chandy, and Sub again. The guy gets angry again, so he switches to his Latios, but you Shadow Ball him and because you laid SR down like a good boy, Latios gets OHKO'ed. He will lose his Toxicroak or Politoed to you if he switches them in. If he switches in Scizor, Fire Blast him, OHKO'ing him. Ferro takes 86.99% min from a Fire Blast under rain.
Yeah, I haven't done this in a while, but it usually turns out this way, if not, very similar.
If you can't handle a weather with a weather team, you're not using it right.
If you can't handle a weather with a weatherless team, you didn't make it right.
Attempting to change a common, unbroken game mechanic just because you can't handle it means you just need more experience in how to deal with it.
DON'T play a few games and shout: "IT'S BROKEN!" every time you find something you can't handle. Adjust the team a bit, swap members and try again.
But that is besides the point.
Thundurus is the TRUE broken pokemon here. Having a wide and diverse movepool and having the stats to utilize it is one thing, but being able to always set up before the opponent can react? Not being weak to common priority moves? Not needing weather in order to be fast?
Now compare that with Excadrill. The moment Sandstorm is gone, Excadrill is toast and will be revenged with ease. The moment rain is gone, however, doesn't mean that Thundurus isn't threatning. And while many don't consider him as "broken" as Excadrill, the reason this is so is because even in the hands of a noob, Excadrill is capable of sweeping as if used by a pro.
The only one coming close to being as able to set up as easily is Darkrai, who is Uber. It's obvious for who I am voting.
Get Thundurus the hell out of OU.
In case some other thing happens to switch in, I just want to make sure damage is done.
Ok, it seems that you guys can not abstain from posting these useless pro-ban arguments and are making this thread the cesspool it was one month ago. Alright, from now on I'll just infract every post that contains that kind of argument.
As for the end of the current test: Blue Kirby and Articuno64 are taking a decision about the future of the suspect process, until such a decision is taken the current suspect test is "frozen". So, please, stop asking about it.
As for the end of the current test: Blue Kirby and Articuno64 are taking a decision about the future of the suspect process, until such a decision is taken the current suspect test is "frozen". So, please, stop asking about it.
Scarf Scizor is viable however comparing it with Genosect is not really justified I think. I guess Scarf Scizor is nice for the element of surprise such as U-Turning on stuff which pack HP Fire such as Celebi, Latios and Latias however not running CB really lowers your damage output.
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