I would recommend pursuit over Iron Head or Bullet Punch, a fast pursuit is incredible useful to catch frail/weakened Hit and Run Sweepers that could switch in over and over otherwise.
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I would recommend pursuit over Iron Head or Bullet Punch, a fast pursuit is incredible useful to catch frail/weakened Hit and Run Sweepers that could switch in over and over otherwise.
The back up sunny day users shouldn't be counters to Toed/tar, but bait. What do either of them do to a solarbeam heatran under the sun? Nothing, they die after you use SD on the switch.
If you're worried about scarftoed, then don't be. It sucks badly at surviving the war. And it can't ohko frail junk like victreebel with ice beam.
If you're not worried about scarf tar, then NP LO (ha!) Tales can ko with some prior damage. SR+1 layer.
If you're worried about scarftoed, then don't be. It sucks badly at surviving the war. And it can't ohko frail junk like victreebel with ice beam.
If you're not worried about scarf tar, then NP LO (ha!) Tales can ko with some prior damage. SR+1 layer.
I've been using Roserade on my sun team and it's a very useful pokemon, with Sleep Powder being so cheap, as well as Toxic Spikes that hinder opposing weather inducers. It even has Weather Ball to OHKO Ferrothorn and Scizor in the sun! Not to mention Leaf Storm hits Tyranitar / Hippowdon / Politoed hard.
Has anybody tried specially defensive Regenerator Amoonguss? Total theorymon here but I imagine it works very similar to Tangrowth on the special spectrum, being a lot more reliable at stopping Rain threats like Rotom-W, Politoed, Thundurus, as well as Jellicent and Celebi (if it carries Clear Smog) outside of rain. It also makes Tangrowth jealous with Spore, since Tangrowth's Sleep Powder misses can cause a fatal loss of momentum. It has special bulk practically equivalent to max/max Ferrothorn's while being able to absorb Toxic Spikes. Its support movepool is barren compared to Tangrowth's though, with no Knock Off. It doesn't even get Leech Seed.
I don't know I mean these characteristics make me think it should be used somewhere around Tangrowth tier, but I never see it around.
EDIT: I just realized after typing this all out that Regenerator Amoonguss might not even be released...
I don't know I mean these characteristics make me think it should be used somewhere around Tangrowth tier, but I never see it around.
EDIT: I just realized after typing this all out that Regenerator Amoonguss might not even be released...
Amoonguss is one of my favorites. It takes on rain teams so well that you could say "I have an Amoonguss, so I counter rain." Politoed can't Hydro Pump, Toxic or Focus Blast it, Ice Beam does nothing, especially after Giga Drain return factored in, and that's just one move...
Spore can be saved for something troublesome like Hurricane Dragonite, and the other two slots can be customized to suit your needs; Gus has quite a few options. It can run two of Clear Smog, Synthesis, Stun Spore and Hidden Power Fire / Ice to counter stuff. Clear Smog cockblocks stuff like Toxicroak, Synthesis outside weather, alongside Leftovers Giga Drain and Regenerator, gives Amoonguss that unlimited health/unkillable feel.
HP Ice is my favorite coverage move. It has decent synergy with Giga Drain, and other obvious stuff. The poison typing is the best thing about Gus. He's immune to all the Toxics flying around right now, absorbs Toxic Spikes, Resists Fighting and has a Bug neutrality, which is great for taking on Scizor.
My set is Giga Drain / HP Ice / Synthesis / Spore. When Regen is released, Synthesis won't be needed, so you can run a support move, but the other three moves should be standard IMO.
Spore can be saved for something troublesome like Hurricane Dragonite, and the other two slots can be customized to suit your needs; Gus has quite a few options. It can run two of Clear Smog, Synthesis, Stun Spore and Hidden Power Fire / Ice to counter stuff. Clear Smog cockblocks stuff like Toxicroak, Synthesis outside weather, alongside Leftovers Giga Drain and Regenerator, gives Amoonguss that unlimited health/unkillable feel.
HP Ice is my favorite coverage move. It has decent synergy with Giga Drain, and other obvious stuff. The poison typing is the best thing about Gus. He's immune to all the Toxics flying around right now, absorbs Toxic Spikes, Resists Fighting and has a Bug neutrality, which is great for taking on Scizor.
My set is Giga Drain / HP Ice / Synthesis / Spore. When Regen is released, Synthesis won't be needed, so you can run a support move, but the other three moves should be standard IMO.
i hope if they do continue the suspect test, that they wont reset the ladder again since they already reset it earlier
I used once the same set as JT Swift in DW and it was amazing!!!
Balanced defences,focused a little bit more in s.defense and a moveset of hp ice/spore/clear smog/giga drain!
Also completely countering one of the most popular pokes in DW,aka TechLoom,after something has been put to sleep is invaluable.
Finally as a Regenerator his survivability is astounding!!!
Balanced defences,focused a little bit more in s.defense and a moveset of hp ice/spore/clear smog/giga drain!
Also completely countering one of the most popular pokes in DW,aka TechLoom,after something has been put to sleep is invaluable.
Finally as a Regenerator his survivability is astounding!!!
I doubt Amounguss can survive Dragonite's Hurricane, nor Tornadus' for that matter. The only way you'll get a Spore off is if you predict the switch.
Even if it can survive, it can't do anything back to Dragonite, and it'll be severely crippled, and possibly confused.
Latios may prove a major problem too, with Draco Meteor from a Rain team.
No clue how Amounguss is getting past Ferrothorrn either. Amounguss's stabs are x4 resistsed, or Ferrothorn is outright immune, and HP Fire/Fighting would tickle, and leave you wide open for Dragonite.
Not like Ferro can do much except set up on Amounguss either... but he still stops Amounguss cold.
Also, you're using Amounguss as a Rain check... but you're using Synthisis? Something's not adding up there, especially with Sandstorm about too.
I've been testing Shaymin and i think it's pretty good... excellent pivot to many common threats, such as politoed, gliscor, landorus, etc, and seed flare can maul a lot of pokemon with spdef drops, while fire/steel pokemon get earth powered and dragons get hp iced. Although it's walled by ferrothorn, it's still pretty good.
While we're on Amoonguss, let's talk about something that's kind of a suspect topic that's always gone under the radar since it's so rare. Does Effect Spore count against Sleep Clause? I expect it does, but it's not exactly a controllable factor against for either side of the field. After you use Spore, if Amoonguss gets hit by a physical attack, you have a 10% chance (30% Effect Rate & 1/3 chance of choosing Sleep) of forfeiting your entire match as early as turn 3. I'm sure the server could prevent that from happening but everyone preaches to keep all original gameplay elements in tact for OU, so by that logic, that should be looked down upon. Effect Spore has never been an issue before since the Pokemon that got the ability before 5th Gen were Parasect & Breloom which have better abilities anyway.
I think it really shouldn't count against Sleep Clause. It's just like Freeze Clause. It was uncontrollable and the only way to prevent it was to just not use Ice Beam or Blizzard until the Pokemon became unfrozen. In this case it would be to just not send out Amoongus which is far worse than a move restriction was.
I think it really shouldn't count against Sleep Clause. It's just like Freeze Clause. It was uncontrollable and the only way to prevent it was to just not use Ice Beam or Blizzard until the Pokemon became unfrozen. In this case it would be to just not send out Amoongus which is far worse than a move restriction was.
I would think that they would be able to code it to where Effect Spore still follows the Sleep Clause, if a sleep were to occur from it. It would be unfair to have to forfeit because of an effect that you cannot control, I'm with you on this one.
It might even work that way now, I haven't ever had an instance where I've been in that situation.
It might even work that way now, I haven't ever had an instance where I've been in that situation.
Based on the PR discussions about changing Sleep Clause, I don't believe it does, if they even actually changed Sleep Clause to work that way in the first place.
I never said anything about Tornadus. Dragonite can be kinda tricky, but Gus CAN pull it off. And Latios? Amoonguss laughs at Latios. It has slightly higher special bulk than Gastrodon. Specs Meteor tickles.
Ferrothorn can't do anything to Amoonguss outside Spiking. Power Whip is 4x resisted, Gyro Ball is a love tap, Leech Seed is ineffective. Thunder Wave might be a concern, but so few run it. HP Fire 3HKOes Ferro IIRC.
Synthesis is necessary without Regenerator. 25% is better than nothing. You could omit it, but I dislike the lessened staying power.
Fighting types , Thundurus (pretty sure he can survive a +2 hp ice), bulky waters and actually alot more pokes depending on how he is EV'd and wich Hidden Power he uses.
His bulk is pretty impressive (bulkier than Swampert!) and the right EVs he can stop a lot of sweepers with Spore/Stun Spore.
However pretty much everything with substitute/taunt that resists Gigadrain (and isn't hit 4x super effective by its Hidden Power) will laugh at him, because even though 85 base SpA isn't that bad he will struggle to 2HKO with only a SE Hidden Power.
I was thinking of using Shaymin the other night. Do you use Offensive Leech Seed?
Also, I'll give Amoongus some consideration, since it has so much praise in the last few posts. I feel bulky Grass-types are the way to go against general weathers except for sunlight.
Alright get ready...
Rotom-W-resists both stabs, has spore, giga drain, can be volt switched out of but only ground-types can avoid that, and can HP fire scizors, giga drain landorus'.
Breloom:Resists both attacks, clear smog and hidden powers.
Every bulky water ever:Toxic is a no go, recovers off of them, bulky enough to take ice beams, etc.
Any toxic spiker:Absorbs their t-spikes.
And many more, on channel four.........
There's probably more, but it's so rarely used that i've never seen it in action much.
I'm liking what I'm hearing! Being part poison means he can't take earthquakes as well as I'd like him to, but maybe I'll try him out in the distant future. Because I sure as hell am not using him now when the only item he can hold in his tier is a shed shell.
...Which wouldn't be too bad thanks to regenerator healing him anyway once chandelure shows its face.
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You could always use him now. Effect Spore is good if you go physically defensive, and Lefties + Giga Drain is decent enough. You could use Synthesis.
Just tried out Amoonguss for the day since my curiosity peaked. Wow is this thing underwhelming without Regeneration. It can come in for free against so much stuff, but the damage it takes really adds up. I definitely noticed that most teams don't have much of anything to deal with Amoonguss and it's honestly kinda of cool using a Pokemon like that, but it's just the lack of recovery that utterly kills it.
Amoonguss is pretty poor without Regenerator tbh, the only advantage he has over Celebi is Spore, and Celebi is still better in a defensive role in any case.
On another note, Jirachi is ridiculously good in rain as a SubCM user. Substitute / Calm Mind / Thunder / Water Pulse. What it doesn't beat outright it haxes to death, and it sets up on a ton of stuff. There is a very short list of things that counter it outright:
Side note: Jirachi is made even better with Toxic Spikes support.
On another note, Jirachi is ridiculously good in rain as a SubCM user. Substitute / Calm Mind / Thunder / Water Pulse. What it doesn't beat outright it haxes to death, and it sets up on a ton of stuff. There is a very short list of things that counter it outright:
- Gastrodon
- Quagsire
Side note: Jirachi is made even better with Toxic Spikes support.
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