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Gengar Discussion
- Thread starter Archmaster Mesa
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A modest max SpA Gengar (394 SpA) with Choice Glasses does around 47%~55% damage to Max HP, min SpD Blissey (standard) with Focus Bomb.
But since Gengar is likely to use Timid as its nature, a 359 SpA does 43%~50% to the same Blissey (Still with Choice Glasses)
So it ain't a reliable counter because of accuracy and of the Calm Minded Blisseys (that really rule!)
What speed does CScGengar usually run?
Walled by Jibacoil, and the Dragon/Steel in Ubers. (And Blissey).
...and Probopass under Sandstorm... kinda
Pros:
* versatility.
* ground/fighting/toxic immunity.
* 70% hypnosis
Cons:
* too slow?! importantly slower than Weavile and Azelf.
* STAB attacks are walled by common types: steel, rock and Blissey.
* weak to pursuit.
Moveset:
Gengar levitate
~ Hasty/mild @focus strip
Shadow ball
HPfighting
Hypnosis
Explosion
Gengar lead that survives Weavile/Azelf and OHKOs in return. Few people are going to run Weavile with sandstream so you will often be safe on 1HP. Use hypnosis on the new pokemon or explode in its face.
Verdict:
I said a long long time ago that Gengar would lose a lot of value because of physical pursuit, along with Kazam... and it continues to look that way. It doesn't hit very hard without choice glasses, and often doesn't hit at all without choice scarf. You need to be a little bit creative with its moveset and use, otherwise you are better off looking elsewhere.
* versatility.
* ground/fighting/toxic immunity.
* 70% hypnosis
Cons:
* too slow?! importantly slower than Weavile and Azelf.
* STAB attacks are walled by common types: steel, rock and Blissey.
* weak to pursuit.
Moveset:
Gengar levitate
~ Hasty/mild @focus strip
Shadow ball
HPfighting
Hypnosis
Explosion
Gengar lead that survives Weavile/Azelf and OHKOs in return. Few people are going to run Weavile with sandstream so you will often be safe on 1HP. Use hypnosis on the new pokemon or explode in its face.
Verdict:
I said a long long time ago that Gengar would lose a lot of value because of physical pursuit, along with Kazam... and it continues to look that way. It doesn't hit very hard without choice glasses, and often doesn't hit at all without choice scarf. You need to be a little bit creative with its moveset and use, otherwise you are better off looking elsewhere.
Here's what I plan to run as a starter:
Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp.Atk/252 Speed
Modest Nature (+SpAtk, - Atk)
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
Energy Ball for Swampert, Hippowdon (both starting to becoming a popular Stealth Rock leads), and any Rhyperior leads (or a switch-in on a predicted Earthquake). Thunderbolt for Gyarados and Skarm. Shadow Ball for sexy STAB to hit mostly anything else. And Hypnosis for w/e I can't handle offensively + general annoyance.
Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp.Atk/252 Speed
Modest Nature (+SpAtk, - Atk)
-Energy Ball
-Thunderbolt
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
Energy Ball for Swampert, Hippowdon (both starting to becoming a popular Stealth Rock leads), and any Rhyperior leads (or a switch-in on a predicted Earthquake). Thunderbolt for Gyarados and Skarm. Shadow Ball for sexy STAB to hit mostly anything else. And Hypnosis for w/e I can't handle offensively + general annoyance.
Explosion is pretty much used over it. Gengar is still a force to be reckoned with despite azelf and weavile running around. AS gar is mainly used because of the fast hypnosis.
but thats so horribly useless, especially when you have the monstrous options that gengar has
Yes. Those were it's Japanese acronyms prior to the revelation about their English names.
Its a bit of a novelty option when you can consider what Gengar can do. Although I could see a handful of lead Gengars getting a run from Counter and some Def EVs to mess up Weavile/other Pursuit-ers, maybe follow it with an Explosion.
