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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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As far as leads go this gen, they have been hugely impacted by team preview, but I still believe that there are very good momentum gainers that can function as common leads. I personally use Rotom as a lead, he's great with Vswitch and trick (wash isnt the only one, I prefer mr. grin). Meinshao I'd imagine can function well as a lead.
Taunt.
I find it sad that Chandelure was demoted to UU status. I absolutely love him. I just had a battle for the first time in months and it just shocked me how damn good he is. People underestimate Shandy, he just punches huge holes through the opponents team, and it is just hilarious when they keep switching, but with scarf chandy, you learn to predict really well to hit them with the harder move. Chandy manhandles a lot of things. Use him more :(
You should be happy,you get to use him in 2 awesome tiers instead of one. Yet another poke on added to the veryviableinou but also uu club.
Funnily enough, my personal team I've been tailor making over the months of my playing in OU, is actually able to be used in the UU tier now if I just replace Gyarados. :D
its really hard to make that perfect team.
Anyway, I just played a few battles, and I saw Meinshao in all of them. Can't believe meinshao is coming back, it seemed grossly overhyped when it used to be used.
And how is Metagross these days? I've been in a depressive slump over him being almost last in OU.
its really hard to make that perfect team.
Anyway, I just played a few battles, and I saw Meinshao in all of them. Can't believe meinshao is coming back, it seemed grossly overhyped when it used to be used.
And how is Metagross these days? I've been in a depressive slump over him being almost last in OU.
metagross is metagross. Super beast when used correctly and underwhelming otherwise. My favorite set was the iron ball trick set paired with haxorus and/or exca. Cripple their checks with iron ball (skarm, gliscor, etc) and go to town.
I've also seen cb sets being put to good use (extremely good reuniclus check) but I always end up shaking my head when people use the standard lead set from gen iv. Again, no big dealnif he drops to uu, in fact I welcome it. Usability in 2 different tiers>usable in 1 tier
Ps: mention ubers and I'll slit your throat.
I've also seen cb sets being put to good use (extremely good reuniclus check) but I always end up shaking my head when people use the standard lead set from gen iv. Again, no big dealnif he drops to uu, in fact I welcome it. Usability in 2 different tiers>usable in 1 tier
Ps: mention ubers and I'll slit your throat.
Metagross probably should be used more (great typing, good movepool, nice stat spread) but if usage makes him drop to UU it could be a really fun tier, or broken depending on the people who handle the stages or w/e.
However I also agree that lead Gross is pretty underwhelming in OU now. It just doesn't seem take those hits as well as it used to, probably because that set doesn't do too much else to earn a spot.
However I also agree that lead Gross is pretty underwhelming in OU now. It just doesn't seem take those hits as well as it used to, probably because that set doesn't do too much else to earn a spot.
PKGaming, you brought up a good point. Metagross draws in Rotom-W, Skarmory, Bronzong, and I guess Gliscor like a magnet, allowing for a successful Iron Ball trolling. The same set can even set up Gravity if they have more than 1 levitator / Flying type, but that may be overkill. Meteor Mash + Earthquake is all it needs for coverage really. Hammer Arm (for Ferrothorn), Hone Claws, or Explosion can fit the last slot, too. Definitely a good partner for Landorus - no need to use the shit move Smack Down.
Metagross has Ice Punch for Gliscor. How good is Zen Headbutt though?
Hey Smack Down was pretty good on Excadrill, in lieu of X-Scissor (which it probably needed more but it worked), if Bronzong or Skarm was your opponents main 'Drill counter Smack Down on the obvious switch and EQ could seriously dent if not KO (probably not a one shot but 'Zong wasn't too bulky).
And with Trickballin', Metagross finally has something not done better but Conkeldurr (typing makes it a nicer lure IMO).
Edit: @Winston, Ice Punch should be a OHKO with Choice Band, otherwise that EQ is gonna hurt. But if 'Gross is a physical lure I'm guessin' it should use something along the lines of Ice Punch/Trick/ and EQ to take out/cripple Gliscor, Bronzong (it's usage should drop soon but w/e), and Skarmory, Zen Headbutt sounds straight to me, just figuring EV's now.
No. Metagross doesn't get Ice Punch. Well, it does, but not with anything from Gen5.
Now that I think about it, did Metagross actually get anything worth using this Gen?
Conk doesn't do anything better than Gross. It doesn't do Bulk up or Subpunch better because Gross can't do those in the first place. On the other hand, Gross can go mixed and use SR, (it also has Hone Claws and Agility) which Conk can't. As for their CB sets, Gross gets better priority and Pursuit, as well as better typing for frequent switch-ins.
Does Conk even use any other sets? I think the only set they share is CB.
Metagross has access to Ice Punch and Thunder Punch. Not Fire Punch.
Metagross @ Iron Ball
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 252 Atk/idk
-Trick
-Ice Punch
-EQ
-Zen Headbutt/Meteor Mash/Thunderpunch
CB 'Gross can't one shot Gliscor without Adamant nature and near if not max attack so I don't think this thing will be taking down Gliscor one on one anytime soon. I know I suck at making sets but I usually figure the defenses based on the counters to the sweeper I'm using when trying to make lures. Thought about Thunderpunch over one of its STABs since Skarm is part Flying and it should have enough power to back up Boltbeam coverage. Any thoughts on defensive EV's?
Nature: Adamant
Ev's: 252 Atk/idk
-Trick
-Ice Punch
-EQ
-Zen Headbutt/Meteor Mash/Thunderpunch
CB 'Gross can't one shot Gliscor without Adamant nature and near if not max attack so I don't think this thing will be taking down Gliscor one on one anytime soon. I know I suck at making sets but I usually figure the defenses based on the counters to the sweeper I'm using when trying to make lures. Thought about Thunderpunch over one of its STABs since Skarm is part Flying and it should have enough power to back up Boltbeam coverage. Any thoughts on defensive EV's?
Hmm, that's the first time I've heard Smack Down Excadrill :d.
CBMetagross is overshadowed by CB Scizor. Scizor's Bullet Punch + Pursuit hits much harder, and it has U-turn. Metagross does have the means to punch through common Scizor switch-ins, such as Gliscor and Gyarados, though, with Meteor Mash and ThunderPunch, respectively. ThunderPunch is powerful enough to 2HKO Skarmory with SR support. You can make Metagross slow and give it Hammer Arm, cutting off 32% health from Skarmory with each hit, and inflicting double the damage when Skarm roosts. Hammer Arm is also its best answer to Ferrothorn (easy 2HKO) and Bronzong (often a 3HKO).
EDIT: Nkululeko, Meteor Mash is definitely a staple on Metagross... 20% chance to raise Atk is too good. Ice Punch is a good filler move for Gliscor, but you already crippled it by removing its Ground immunity (does Gliscor loses its Fighting & Bug resistance / Grass neutrality, too??). Again, Meteor Mash + EQ provides great neutral coverage with Iron Ball + Trick.
Gravity is good if the opponent has like Skarmory + Rotom-W, or if Metagross accidentally tricked Iron Ball to a Jellicent, for instance. Bullet Punch is probably the best filler move, since priority is always handy.
As for EVs, you'd most likely want to make it bulky as possible, so most likely max HP, since it has low HP in relation to its awesome Defense.
CBMetagross is overshadowed by CB Scizor. Scizor's Bullet Punch + Pursuit hits much harder, and it has U-turn. Metagross does have the means to punch through common Scizor switch-ins, such as Gliscor and Gyarados, though, with Meteor Mash and ThunderPunch, respectively. ThunderPunch is powerful enough to 2HKO Skarmory with SR support. You can make Metagross slow and give it Hammer Arm, cutting off 32% health from Skarmory with each hit, and inflicting double the damage when Skarm roosts. Hammer Arm is also its best answer to Ferrothorn (easy 2HKO) and Bronzong (often a 3HKO).
EDIT: Nkululeko, Meteor Mash is definitely a staple on Metagross... 20% chance to raise Atk is too good. Ice Punch is a good filler move for Gliscor, but you already crippled it by removing its Ground immunity (does Gliscor loses its Fighting & Bug resistance / Grass neutrality, too??). Again, Meteor Mash + EQ provides great neutral coverage with Iron Ball + Trick.
Gravity is good if the opponent has like Skarmory + Rotom-W, or if Metagross accidentally tricked Iron Ball to a Jellicent, for instance. Bullet Punch is probably the best filler move, since priority is always handy.
As for EVs, you'd most likely want to make it bulky as possible, so most likely max HP, since it has low HP in relation to its awesome Defense.
It's Smack Down Landorus, not Excadrill. People would have noticed if Excadrill learned it lol.
I used Choice Band to show how it couldn't handle one shot Gliscor but you're definitely right, and Hammer Arm sounds like a much better option, don't know why I forgot about it, thank for the suggestion. Hopefully Bronzong usage drops (like Azumarrill's) but I'll definitely try it out.
And the Smack Down Excadrill was suggested in the weather-edition of the Smog. I decided to try it out and run it with Terrakion (same counters) and it caught a lot of people off guard, and so did the Expert Belt. Lures are my favorite part of the game, find your opponent's primary counter to <insert name of sweeper here> and go gimmick-crazy.
Edit: Wow, Herp Derp moment of the year. That's what you get for using Pokesav...
Metagross Pursuit hits harder than Scizor Pursuit, assuming they switch out and Technician is not activated. Of course, it they stay in, Pursuit will be weak as shit either way so it doesnt matter anyway.
As I said, 4G move tutor, though it's illegal with anything in Gen5 (which I guess is just Hone Claws, but still...)
People, don't use Ice Punch on CB Gross. It's bad. Instead, you should just 2HKO standard Gliscor with Meteor Mash. With max EVs and Adamant, the 2HKO is guaranteed.
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