Actually there are just three ghost being used at the moment..Frosslass,missy, and chandelure..2 of 3 are hit strong with stone edge and missy is hit hard already by stone edge...dusclops is in rare sight.. for spiritomb, stone edge hits harder than payback as spiritomb is slower..golurk, yeah payback hits harder, but still kinda more rare with stone edge having more utility
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Actually there are just three ghost being used at the moment..Frosslass,missy, and chandelure..2 of 3 are hit strong with stone edge and missy is hit hard already by stone edge...dusclops is in rare sight.. for spiritomb, stone edge hits harder than payback as spiritomb is slower..golurk, yeah payback hits harder, but still kinda more rare with stone edge having more utility
The only way that Regenerator Slowbro loses to Machamp is if it gets some very, very, very bad luck (hitting yourself 4-6 times in a row?). Regenerator is 100% superior to Own Tempo.
Past that, Alakazam is really good. I prefer LO to Sash since there aren't many priority users that can KO Alakazam and the extra power is REALLY nice. Psyshock / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball / CM hits everything nicely and Psyshock just tears at +1. Shadow Ball smacks around Psychics that infest the tier and Focus Blast rounds it out. Probably one of the top 3 most threatening Pokemon in the tier.
I've faced a few people using Vulpix too, I just chalked it up to all the programming mess that went on a little while agoIf this is a coding problem, I'm not gonna judge because I know are coders work hard for nothing. But really, what is this? Did I miss the thread about unbanning drought because I seriously might have?
I have seen only three Tornadus in UU.
All of them were right after I read Blue Star's post.
All of them got me with my pants down.
I'm scared.
EDIT-- Another one just now, fuck Rain free Drought
I've seen stuff like Moody Pokemon legal in UU and other crap like that so yeah, there is some serious mess up with the bans.
Throwing this out there- RD LO Ludicolo is a massive, underrated threat. Looking over the usage stats for September, Ludicolo can OHKO or 2HKO most of the top 20 with some combination of its STAB's and Ice Beam (under Rain of course).
Out of the top 20, A standard 252 SpA Modest LO Ludicolo only struggles with Zapdos (Ice Beam only does 78.5%- 92.8% to uninvested Zapdos) Mew, and Chansey.
Out of the top 20, A standard 252 SpA Modest LO Ludicolo only struggles with Zapdos (Ice Beam only does 78.5%- 92.8% to uninvested Zapdos) Mew, and Chansey.
Rain boosted Surf does more than Ice Beam, by the way.
Hmm, I actually knew that but for some reason decided to post the calc for Ice Beam. Anyway, the original point still stands. Even rain boosted Surf only has a 25% chance to KO without prior damage.
^ You could run Hydro Pump instead.
Things I'm thinking of nominating this round:
1. Chandelure - only one solid counter in UU (Snorlax). The rest can all be beaten. The only reasons it isn't completely broken are that it's rather slow and weak to SR. If it comes to a vote, I have to admit I'm not sure what I'll vote for, but I think it deserves to be suspect at least.
2. Alakazam - such a dangerous Pokemon now, it hits really hard. The Sash variants are the real killers. You can't OHKO it no matter what, so you have to be able to survive two hits at least. But that's not easy to do given Alakazam's 135 SpA and fine coverage. You could also be faster, but Alakazam is really fast itself. Priority can be switched out of, secure in the knowledge that Alakazam will always be able to come back in later as a revenge killer. If Alakazam isn't broken, it's at the very top of the UU threat lists.
3. Snow Warning + Snow Cloak - the most stupid Froslass set ever is still incredibly stupid. Missing against Froslass is extremely dangerous: not only do you have to take the paralysis, Froslass will put up Spikes. Its Blizzards are reasonably strong, too.
4. Sand Stream + Sand Veil - Cacturne is less stupid than Froslass, but still. Hiding behind a Substitute while threatening to set up Spikes or Leech Seed is very much like Froslass. It also has a fine attack stat and good moves to go along with it. STAB Sucker Punch goes a long way to covering for its low speed, it can Focus Punch to kill Registeel / Empoleon etc, and so on. Some of Cacturne's worst foes also find their recovery hit in a sandstorm, e.g. Arcanine and Roserade. Roserade can still set up on Cacturne, but it might simply result in both sides getting up 3 layers, or even Cacturne using Encore and then switching to something like Omastar.
Aside from Snow Cloak + Snow Warning, I'm not sure I'll vote any of the rest BL, but I think they should be examined. Sand Veil + Sand Stream is the least obvious of them all, and I admit it might simply be because my opinion is biased, but frankly, seeing a Cacturne switch in and Substitute makes me want to rip its head off. Ew! Evasion abuse! ~_~
Things I'm thinking of nominating this round:
1. Chandelure - only one solid counter in UU (Snorlax). The rest can all be beaten. The only reasons it isn't completely broken are that it's rather slow and weak to SR. If it comes to a vote, I have to admit I'm not sure what I'll vote for, but I think it deserves to be suspect at least.
2. Alakazam - such a dangerous Pokemon now, it hits really hard. The Sash variants are the real killers. You can't OHKO it no matter what, so you have to be able to survive two hits at least. But that's not easy to do given Alakazam's 135 SpA and fine coverage. You could also be faster, but Alakazam is really fast itself. Priority can be switched out of, secure in the knowledge that Alakazam will always be able to come back in later as a revenge killer. If Alakazam isn't broken, it's at the very top of the UU threat lists.
3. Snow Warning + Snow Cloak - the most stupid Froslass set ever is still incredibly stupid. Missing against Froslass is extremely dangerous: not only do you have to take the paralysis, Froslass will put up Spikes. Its Blizzards are reasonably strong, too.
4. Sand Stream + Sand Veil - Cacturne is less stupid than Froslass, but still. Hiding behind a Substitute while threatening to set up Spikes or Leech Seed is very much like Froslass. It also has a fine attack stat and good moves to go along with it. STAB Sucker Punch goes a long way to covering for its low speed, it can Focus Punch to kill Registeel / Empoleon etc, and so on. Some of Cacturne's worst foes also find their recovery hit in a sandstorm, e.g. Arcanine and Roserade. Roserade can still set up on Cacturne, but it might simply result in both sides getting up 3 layers, or even Cacturne using Encore and then switching to something like Omastar.
Aside from Snow Cloak + Snow Warning, I'm not sure I'll vote any of the rest BL, but I think they should be examined. Sand Veil + Sand Stream is the least obvious of them all, and I admit it might simply be because my opinion is biased, but frankly, seeing a Cacturne switch in and Substitute makes me want to rip its head off. Ew! Evasion abuse! ~_~
Ice Punch is needed not only for Gligar but for Golurk which uses you as setup fodder if you don't have it.
There are also Nidoking/Queen so i think that the use of Ice Punch is justifiable enough.
lol We dont wanna be too ban happy with this one...Chandelure hits like a truck, but its been pretty underwhelming from what ive seen...its speed is whats holding it back IMO, only if it had at least 95 base speed..houndoom and almost any other pursuit users checkmates chandy and checks alot of other things in this metagame
I agree! So far ever since Nidoqueen was brought up in this discussion its usage has skyrocketed lol..it seems like ice punch has better uses at the moment...we are still in the experimental trigger happy stage of UU..maybe once things die down we'll see which cover move is best for machamp
EDIT: Has anyone tried absol..it really rocks right now! the decision between sucker punch and pursuit takes out alot of the common threats right now..a slightly weakened machamp(with psycho cut), chandy, darminatin, tornadus, slowbro
Chandelure is so dangerous and shits on her so much people don't even bother with it that much, I guess. Also, Machamp.
Except It's too slow. With Scarf Machamp/Darmanitan running around. There are too many counters if you are expecting to sweep with it. But i'll give this to you. It will one shot pretty much anything it hits. It's only problem is it's not dast enough.
Who out there is using scarf machamp?
hm, will have to play some games tomorrow to see how good tornadus is.
again, when there's no laddering, it's pretty easy to ladder up very quickly, so I'm taking Tornadus with a grain of salt.
am I the only one who feels that, in this round, it seems like everything is so broken that it balances itself out?
again, when there's no laddering, it's pretty easy to ladder up very quickly, so I'm taking Tornadus with a grain of salt.
am I the only one who feels that, in this round, it seems like everything is so broken that it balances itself out?
I find it's a more offensive metagame. My walls tend to get shat on constantly
anyway, I use Specs modest Shaymin a lot. it's pretty fantastic, can 2HKO a Snorlax after SR or spD drop. Roserade is a problem though
anyway, I use Specs modest Shaymin a lot. it's pretty fantastic, can 2HKO a Snorlax after SR or spD drop. Roserade is a problem though
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