Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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Hail isn't as broken as it's made out to be, imo. There are plenty of tools to work with as far as dealing with it. Gurdurr runs through Hail teams after a Bulk Up - Jynx that run Psyshock actually make it even easier for him to do so. Choice Scarf Sawk is notable for CC spam. Throh can use Circle Throw and pick up hazards damage on everything as well as hitting it for super-effective damage. Lanturn soaks up Blizzards like they're nothing and takes Rotom-F's STABs like a champ. Klinklang can pick up an easy set-up on Snover, who is so pathetically weak it's not even funny. Magneton, likewise, can pick up a sub on Snover and then clear things with Flash Cannon. Bulky shit like Eelektross can take a Blizzard or two and Flamethrower the users. I really have had like 0% with hail teams in general and I don't really understand why it'd be considered broken. :(

Missing on Glaceon sucks though. :|
 
Zebraiken said:
Missing on Glaceon sucks though. :|
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On a similar note:

Articuno. I really feel Articuno gets heavily ignored in just about all games, nevermind how well it can abuse Substitute with its high defenses and its two abilities: Pressure (PP Stall) and Snow Cloak. Mix her with Roost (and Heal Bell if you'd like) and it's going to be extremely hard taking her down. Adding Roar also adds to her annoyance factor.
 
melvni said:
Minor nitpick: Jynx gets both Grass Knot and Energy Ball so HP Grass doesn't seem like the best choice. The fact it gets both of those does mean it could run one of those in conjunction with HP Ground I guess, so I suppose that's another option, though it would mean forgoing either one of your STAB's or Lovely Kiss.
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Yeah I totally missed that. Thanks!

As for Articuno, she's just not viable in an offensive or defensive role; why use 95/85 SpA/Spe when there are are other Ice attackers with better stats and movepools who aren't 4x weak to SR? With Rapid Spin support she can make a decent wall, but the Fire weakness and lack of resistances hurt her there as well. She can annoy with Snow Cloak, but even if the opponent keeps missing, Articuno's barren movepool prevents her from really doing anything back unless they're Ice weak. Articuno is one of my favorite pokemon, but the team support needed for her to shine usually isn't worth it.
 
Raikaria said:
I ran into someone using Evolite Wynaut with a Wish supporter, and a few other set-up attackers.

Wynaut really needs to get out of the teir, that one game showed me that. Almost nothing can OHKO it, and NU is almost devoid of mixed attackers, except for Fire types, so its obscenely easy for Wynaut to get a KO, or two. Then there's the support it can provide with Tickle, and Encore as well.

Wynaut can rather easily be wished back to health by something like Flareon or Kangaskahn.
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BL2, anyone?

also,in NU, are TR teams one of the major team variants this time?
 
Raikaria said:
I ran into someone using Evolite Wynaut with a Wish supporter, and a few other set-up attackers.

Wynaut really needs to get out of the teir, that one game showed me that. Almost nothing can OHKO it, and NU is almost devoid of mixed attackers, except for Fire types, so its obscenely easy for Wynaut to get a KO, or two. Then there's the support it can provide with Tickle, and Encore as well.

Wynaut can rather easily be wished back to health by something like Flareon or Kangaskahn.
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Hahahahahahaha "almost nothing can OHKO it"

95/48/48 defenses are apparently those of the gods now, folks.
 
Xephyr said:
Hahahahahahaha "almost nothing can OHKO it"

95/48/48 defenses are apparently those of the gods now, folks.
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With an eviolite it is bulky. And a smart Wynaut user isn't going to switch him in on a SE move that has a chance of OHKOing him are they. What Wynaut is switched in on, shouldn't have a chance of OHKOing him. So there really is no need to start laughing at what people said and putting them down to make them seem stupid.
 
A pokemon I've been using to pretty decent effect in NU lately who hasn't been talked about much is Dodrio. It's faster than Braviary and a bit bulkier than Swellow, and if you can take out stuff in the way, Thrash is basically Outrage (as a nice bonus with Tangled Feet you get a speed boost from your confusion). It has the usual normal/flying movepool limitations, but what it can hit it hits hard. It think it at least warrants an analysis.
 
Tangled feet actually increase evasion not speed. I don't think it compares to braviary, who has more bulk, power and access to superpower, which really makes him stand out from the other normal/flying types. Dodrio could make use of a gimmicky acupressure set, but thats all I see it doing that isn't already outclassed by other birds.
 
Whoops. Though an evasion boost may actually be more helpful if you have to survive those turns of confusion.

I see Dodrio in more of a late-game sweeping role because of its much better speed and STAB Thrash, a move no other meaningful normal/flying type gets made even better by this gen's team preview option, allowing you to scout for Ghosts, Rocks, and Steels and knowing if you can pull off the sweep.

Something that hits harder and faster with its Normal STAB than Braviary (with electrics being more common in NU than ghosts) seems like a solid option to me. It also has a couple toys Braviary doesn't, namely pursuit and taunt.

Edit: Apparently Braviary does get Thrash, still Dodrio is faster and I think makes better use of it
 
Swellow is a million times better in a late game cleaning sense. Facade has more BP, doesn't lock you, Swellow has more speed, and I think more attack after guts, and a lot of mid game utility because of U-turn.
 
Indeed, while Dodrio may have been awesome [and SEVERELY underrated] in the last generation of NU, it's outclassed by Swellow and Braviry in this one.

Last gen, the most common flying resist was Manetric, who was something like 20th most used. And isn't exactly bulky. Dodrio could clear up weakened teams with stupid ease.

Xephyr said:
Hahahahahahaha "almost nothing can OHKO it"

95/48/48 defenses are apparently those of the gods now, folks.
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Invest into both defenses.

Equip Evolite.

Laugh as you are practically assured a KO. More if you have Wish support.
 
Has anyone else noticed the severe lack of a lead metagame in NU? I know traditional leads are less common in the upper tiers thanks to the weather starters, but I expected at least something resembling a lead metagame in NU. Nearly all my battles in NU have began with the opponent switching to something that has a good type matchup against my lead.
 
elchupo said:
Has anyone else noticed the severe lack of a lead metagame in NU? I know traditional leads are less common in the upper tiers thanks to the weather starters, but I expected at least something resembling a lead metagame in NU. Nearly all my battles in NU have began with the opponent switching to something that has a good type matchup against my lead.
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Yeah, but it's not like the rest of the metagame has really developed completely yet either.
 
Brophlosion said:
Have any of you found any solid counters to Lanturn?
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Amoonguss (probably the best bulky Grass in NU in general, imo) and bulky Grasses in general seem to be the most reliable checks to it, it seems to me. Serperior, Meganium, and maybe Leafeon are what I'd consider next. Unless I'm missing something...
 
It seems offense rules NU; I threw together 6 sweepers and am doing pretty well. stuff like gorebyss, klingklang, and altaria rips stuff up. Also, CB slaking is pretty much guaranteed to OHKO somethng every time it comes in.
 
Aleva said:
Anyone interested in Pikachu here? It does have huge atk and spa without boosting and good coverage.
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if you want a SER, just use Emolga for now- faster, ground immunity, (slightly) better defenses, and not having to waste a slot on one item. just watch out for them rocks. and charm might be good to have, as well.
 
I said it in UU, but no one listened. And I didn't blame them.
I said it in RU, but most people brushed it aside. And I swept them.
Now I'll say it in NU.

Use Scarf Braviary.

Outspeeds everything it needs to, has great power, and all the coverage a scarfer needs. It might not be the most threatening Pokemon in the tier, but I have yet to find anyone else that can do its job as well up in RU, and it has been even more amazing here.

If you are not going to scarf it, Swellow give major competition with its massive guts power and natural speed. But it lacks the pure power of Braviary, and thus is unable to revenge faster things like Scarfiary can. It also can't take a beating like Braviary.

Seriously people. Just try it. I don't want this awesome pokemon to get less use than it deserves.
 
On the topic of bad normal flying types, I could see Fearow as having at least some use. Its only advantage over the others is drill run (80 bp ground w/ high crit rate) and sniper. But it only deserves use if braviary and swellow go ru or if neu (never-ever used) is created.
Something like:
Fearow @choice band/scarf/ scope lens
252 Atk/252Spd/4hp
drill peck
drill run
frustration
u-turn/pusuit/work up/sub
 
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