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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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Oglemi said:
Anybody have any success with Tentacool and Smeargle as Rapid Spinners? Smeargle would seem to be pretty legit since it has Spore and Tentacool can theoretically tank a hit from Magmortar (except for like Earthquake but who the fuck runs that).
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I run Max Def Tentacool and I've been very happy with the results. I run a Rapid Spin/ T Spiker set with Boil Over and Acid Spray. I know Tenta's SpA is god awful but I use it mostly for the burn hax if I don't have T Spikes down, and after a few Acid Sprays it does good damage.

His typing is mostly what he has going for him. A Defensive Poison/Water type is an absolute gift in NU, and can put a full stop to the very annoying Roselia, spinning away/ absorbing Spikes/T-Spikes, can't be poisoned, and Giga Drain and Leech Seed damage back due to Liquid Ooze.

For an idea of bulk, it takes roughly 80% from a scarf Braviary's Brave Bird, which is quite good.

The main problem I've encountered with it is that it tends to be set up bait for things with sub/ special attackers so Haze deserves a big mention.
 
elchupo said:
I run Max Def Tentacool and I've been very happy with the results. I run a Rapid Spin/ T Spiker set with Boil Over and Acid Spray. I know Tenta's SpA is god awful but I use it mostly for the burn hax if I don't have T Spikes down, and after a few Acid Sprays it does good damage.

His typing is mostly what he has going for him. A Defensive Poison/Water type is an absolute gift in NU, and can put a full stop to the very annoying Roselia, spinning away/ absorbing Spikes/T-Spikes, can't be poisoned, and Giga Drain and Leech Seed damage back due to Liquid Ooze.

For an idea of bulk, it takes roughly 80% from a scarf Braviary's Brave Bird, which is quite good.

The main problem I've encountered with it is that it tends to be set up bait for things with sub/ special attackers so Haze deserves a big mention.
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I'm actually really dubious of this, can you provide some calcs? I'd like to know what exactly it can switch in on and threaten enough to spin. In addition, it needs to carry eviolite, which means you're relying on using it as a "revenge spinner" of sorts, or carrying a pokemon with wish (not a bad thing, just not ideal).

Here are some calcs I've run, noting that a lot of them rely on spikes/sr being up becuase Tentacool is too frail to be taking a lot of needless hits and you should only be using it to spin:

252 SpAtk Life Orb Magmortar Fire Blast vs 252 HP/4 SpDef Eviolite Tentacool: 29.23% - 34.51%
252 SpAtk Life Orb Magmortar Thunderbolt vs 252 HP/4 SpDef Eviolite Tentacool: 61.97% - 73.24%

That's a KO with rocks/spikes.

0 SpAtk Tentacool Scald vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Magmortar: 36.08% - 43.3%

That's the reverse.

252 Atk Braviary Brave Bird vs 252 HP/252 Def Eviolite Tentacool: 62.32% - 73.24%

Adamant Braviary vs Tentacool: it survives but it can't switch in on it.

252 Atk Choice Band Sawk Close Combat vs 252 HP/252 Def Eviolite Tentacool: 42.96% - 50.7%

2hko'd with rocks/spikes but i guess gets the spin off?

252 +1 Atk Klinklang Return vs 252 HP/252 Def Eviolite Tentacool: 45.77% - 54.23%

again, a 2hko with rocks/spikes.

I'm not really sure what the point of it is when there are other better spinners in the tier.

edit: seriously where are all the eelektross, for a #3 used pokemon I have seen exactly one.
 
I am amazed Eelektross is all the way in NU... with access to moves other Electric types usually don't have such as Coil, Flamethrower and Acid Spray, great mixed attacking stats, Levitate and decent bulk it is a total mystery.
 
Lady Gaga said:
I am amazed Eelektross is all the way in NU... with access to moves other Electric types usually don't have such as Coil, Flamethrower and Acid Spray, great mixed attacking stats, Levitate and decent bulk it is a total mystery.
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His speed really kills him, as does his lack of good physical moves so he gets stuck with a very meh special stat to fire attacks off of.

Also loling at the quote in your sig and the discussion following it hahahaha
 
it's not a mystery.

its physical side is barren (its best moves (bar wild charge) are brick break, crunch, and dragon tail), its special side is not as strong as its physical (105 SpA is good but not great), it lacks much bulk, and it's slow.
 
Breludicolo said:
it's not a mystery.

its physical side is barren (its best moves (bar wild charge) are brick break, crunch, and dragon tail), its special side is not as strong as its physical (105 SpA is good but not great), it lacks much bulk, and it's slow.
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Still, he can opt to go mixed like a wallbreaker, in fact, his BW analysis even mentioned he is usable in OU ._.
In the strictest sense, he has no counters as he has the capability of knocking out pretty much everything in the OU tier and below. Yes, he may not be the bulkiest thing around but I am pretty sure it is quite adequate for an offensive Pokemon. So his only limitation is pretty much his own speed, which can be rectified through paraylsis support or Trick Room.
 
TEA_DEMON said:
if stoutland can wreck shit with 100 base atk in uu i'm sure 105 base spa is plenty for nu.
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That's completely different scenarios. First of all, LO (maybe) Thunderbolt is NOT CB Return. Second of all, Stoutland can't give two shits about Speed tiers. Eelektross is outsped by many, many things. Third, many common NU things are deceptively specially bulky (Gardevoir, Altaria, Lanturn just to name a few) while most of UU is either offensive or not physically bulky enough.

EDIT: And to show how Speed isn't just "meh, its ok, it still rips holes"
Rampardos.
 
waterwarrior said:
That's completely different scenarios. First of all, LO (maybe) Thunderbolt is NOT CB Return. Second of all, Stoutland can't give two shits about Speed tiers. Eelektross is outsped by many, many things. Third, many common NU things are deceptively specially bulky (Gardevoir, Altaria, Lanturn just to name a few) while most of UU is either offensive or not physically bulky enough.

EDIT: And to show how Speed isn't just "meh, its ok, it still rips holes"
Rampardos.
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True true, but unlike Rampardos, Eelektross doesn't have any weaknesses and his defenses are at the very least tolerable, unlike Rampardos. If his speed is still an issue, there is always Trick Room or paralysis support. And as for Pokemon with high special defense, Eelektross has mixed attacking stats, so he can pretty much get past them with physical moves, or just an Acid Spray will scare them off.
 
Honestly to me the largest selling point is the fact it gets Flamethrower, Electric/Fire is excellent coverage all-around, only missing out on Rock-types and Camerupt (I think). It also gets Grass Knot which crushes Regirock/Gigalith/Rhydon to pieces. Coil, Acid Spray, Discharge, Charge Beam, Thunder Wave, and U-turn/Volt Change are all cool moves also. Since there is a dearth of hard-hitting special attackers in NU, and there are a plethora of pokemon who are really weak in special defense, I think I'm going to try a bulky choice set with Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Grass Knot/Volt Switch. In theory this set should be a good pivot on a balanced team, although I need to play with the EVs to survive things like Sawk Close Combat and the like.

edit: apparently it doesn't survive cb sawk close combat unless i put in a fuckton of EVs who knew?
 
I haven't played NU but I was expecting Cinccino to be higher on the NU ladder with great speed and a decent attack, combined with technician Tail slap. Rock blast and bullet seed and to round off with u-turn/wake up slap.

Choice Band is probably the best set. The only thing that really stops it are steels and that is what magneton is there for.

Maybe I should just play the tier and see how Cinccino fairs.
 
Torterra is really good in this meta, imo. I've been playing around a lot with RP Torterra lately and I haven't been disappointed. It sets up over things like Rhydon (though one time I got hit by Ice Punch lol), Golem, Gigalith, Regirock, Lairon, etc, making it a fair partner for Swellow and friends. Earthquake/Stone Edge/Wood Hammer is solid coverage too, really only missing out on things like Weezing, bulky Mesprit w/ Ice Beam and Eelektross, among others. Torterra can also set up SR pretty well and phaze with Roar etc. It's been a solid performer in every match I've used it in.

Has anyone given a go with a Rain Dance team? You've got several Priority Rain Dance users in Murkrow/Volbeat, Swift Swimmers in Gorebyss, Huntail, Seismitoad, and Floatzel, as well as other good abusers like Whiscash and Basculin. Not only that but there don't seem to be a whole lot of popular Water-type resists, mostly being Lanturn, Slowking, and Meganium (though Lapras, Poliwrath, and Amoonguss are notable too). It seems like a very plausible team option, anyway.
 
I'd rather pass Tail Glow with Volbeat tbh, but I definitely agree with there being no good water resists aside from really bulky things. I sincerely hope some combination of Feraligatr, Ludicolo, Crawdaunt, and Sawsbuck drops since that would give us SOMETHING to switch into water-types outside of Lapras/Lanturn/Samurott (Lanturn is probably rising to RU if trends hold).

On another note I have still only seen like 3 eelektross what the hell.

edit: not gonna make a full post for this, but if you wanna discuss NU, join #genvnu on synIRC! we need people!
 
Eelektross is pretty good; there really isn't much that can actually come in on it at all reliably other than Lanturn.

I hear Slowking is pretty good for switching into Water-types (and virtually everything else).

Also, Specs Exeggutor - you heard it here first.
 
-switch in special wall
-if special, you have won
-if coil, switch to a strong special attacker
-you win

Specs Exeggutor sounds frigtening. Hell, exeggutor in general.

I've been wondering about something for a while now: why is it that I have literally never seen anybody use spikes in tandem with misdreavus? Nu has the worst spinners in the game and yet nobody seems to abuse this.
 
I use Mold Breaker Pinsir to deal with Eelektross. EQ has never not OHKO'ed and no one has ever switched out when I bring Pinsir in. Some have even brought their Eelektross' in on it. People seem to have forgotten about Mold Breaker as an ability to a large extent.

As far as Exeggutor goes, I used a Trick Room variant, hoping to create something of a NU Reuniclus since it has opened my eyes to the viability of slow, bulky sweepers, and it was very good.

It did miss out on quite a few KO's so I think Specs might work better after all.

I switched it for Jynx tho. Who is fantastic in this tier. Good speed (for the tier), semi-reliable sleeping move, NP and Good coverage with either Ice Beam/ Psychic + Focus Blast.

Also another threat I'm seeing quite often- Scarfed Sawk. That thing causes me a lot of trouble.
 
has anyone tried hail in this tier? its the only weather down here and Blizzspam is very scary, i used a hail team and got to the top of the ladder very easily. Opinions on hail? does it seem broken? what do you guys think?
 
Ice-eyes said:
Eelektross is pretty good; there really isn't much that can actually come in on it at all reliably other than Lanturn.
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I suppose, if you're running Coil/ Wild Charge/ Return/ Substitute/ Thunderbolt/ Acid Spray/ Grass Knot/ HP Ice/ U-Turn/ Zap Cannon/ Thunder, with max HP/ Attack/ Sp. Attack/ Sp. Defense, but since you're not, its really not hard to switch into.
 
Zebstrika can actually come in on Eelektross fairly decently, but it can't really do much back barring Overheat or Double-Edge. :/

Bulky Ampharos can also take anything Elektross throws at it fairly well. With considerable investment in Sp. Atk it can then... 3HKO it with Signal Beam.
 
I've been using Specs Electabuzz to success. Rotom-S/F make for more powerful Specs users (Trick is nice too), but I'm really liking Electabuzz's 105 base speed. It makes for a good endgame cleaner once special walls and electric resists are out of the way.

Also, Thunderbolt gets a nice 3HKO on typical Tangela who try to come in and stop you. Regenerator usually ameliorates this, though.
 
Sawk can be a pain at times, but if you know what item it's carrying it's much easier. Scarf sets can be dealt with nicely with resistances, while Band sets are very prone to revenge-killing by Swellow and Mesprit, for example.
 
sawk is really, really easy to get rid of with physical walls, though. Weezing is stupidly procient when it comes to doing so; machoke also works.

also, mesprit is a shaky check at best; iirc Band 2HKOes with CC, lol, meaning that you should not be switching it in. That Mesprit is outsped does not help it either.
 
Ice-eyes said:
Also, Specs Exeggutor - you heard it here first.
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You sir, get a cookie. Specs Eggy is a beast. NOTHING switches in safely. NOTHING. The only thing that can kind of switch in is Klinklang, and that takes like 40% from Psychic. Also if I think you're going to switch it in, I'm Sleep Powdering and taking out your check right away. The only thing holding it back somewhat is its low speed, but you can EV it to outspeed all the important slow things (Lanturn and the like). Also it resists water!

ps i smacked around oglemi with it last night, just ask him what he thinks of it xD
 
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