This thread is going to fall apart in arguments over what to pick as teammates, i would like to point out that nidoking can function and would do better as a wallbreaker it just needs something to take care of blissey and chansey as i cant think of anything else of the top of my head that could wall it
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OU CCAT: Nidoking Edition
- Thread starter Pocket
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[Before I begin, I'm going to say that I might be rather biased because I'm basing my opinion on my experience with his Majesty.]
For a team style, I would be thinking that some form of semi bulky offense would be a good idea to combine with our Nidoking set. If everything was a faster sweeper, the slower Nidoking might seem rather out of place. I'm thinking a non-weather-using, but fully-weather-abusing kind of team would be good in this case.
For teammates, I have these two to suggest.
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Moxie
EV's: 80 HP / 184 Atk / 20 Def / 20 SpD / 204 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
-Dragon Dance
-Substitute
-Waterfall
-Bounce
Gyarados' great type synergy with Nidoking has already been mentioned before, so I don't think I have to go too in-depth on that. Both still have Starmie problems, but still. Gyarados offers a great physical attacker to the team to compliment Nidoking's Special assault. Gyarados - especially with that Substitute - can come in on special walls like Bliss/Chansey and set up. They probably won't status Nidoking, as he's immune to T-Wave and Toxic, so Gyarados gets an almost free switch in. After Nidoking sufficiently weakens the team, Gyarados can also come in and pick up the pieces. Gyarados also can hugely benefit from Rain, which is something Nidoking has trouble with. Paralysis support from Bounce also helps.
Sableye @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EV's: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 SpD
Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
IV's: 0 Atk
-Will-O-Wisp
-Taunt
-Recover
-Foul Play
Yes. I am biased. I love Sableye. Sue me.
Sableye both gives and receives from this pairing. One thing that's obvious Sableye gets is the fact that Nidoking stops completely something Sableye hates - Toxic Spikes. Nidoking also lures in said Blissey and Chansey, both of whom Sableye completely walls and can outstall to death so long as they are kept Taunted, unable to status or recover. Again, from Nidoking, Sableye can get an almost free, status-free switch in (though paralysis isn't really minded much). Sableye also helps the overall core by throwing around those burns everywhere, and stopping dangerous Baton Pass teams, Dual Screeners not named Espeon and Xatu, many members of common stall teams, many more member of common physically inclined HO teams, and Alakazam/Reuniclus (Foul Play, while using their lower Attack stats, still 2-3HKO's both, even of they have minimizing natures and 0 Atk IV's).
With Gyarados' EV's, his Subs are guaranteed to not break from a burned Ferrothorn's (uninvested) Power Whip. On the EV topic, Gyarados' Sub also lives through a Timid Choice Scarf Politoed's Scald in the rain with those 20 SpD EV's. The 204 Speed is to outrun Alakazam after 1 Dance. Sableye's 248 HP makes it so it takes reduced damage from Spikes and such, and the 136 SpD hits a jump point.
For a team style, I would be thinking that some form of semi bulky offense would be a good idea to combine with our Nidoking set. If everything was a faster sweeper, the slower Nidoking might seem rather out of place. I'm thinking a non-weather-using, but fully-weather-abusing kind of team would be good in this case.
For teammates, I have these two to suggest.
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Trait: Moxie
EV's: 80 HP / 184 Atk / 20 Def / 20 SpD / 204 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
-Dragon Dance
-Substitute
-Waterfall
-Bounce
Gyarados' great type synergy with Nidoking has already been mentioned before, so I don't think I have to go too in-depth on that. Both still have Starmie problems, but still. Gyarados offers a great physical attacker to the team to compliment Nidoking's Special assault. Gyarados - especially with that Substitute - can come in on special walls like Bliss/Chansey and set up. They probably won't status Nidoking, as he's immune to T-Wave and Toxic, so Gyarados gets an almost free switch in. After Nidoking sufficiently weakens the team, Gyarados can also come in and pick up the pieces. Gyarados also can hugely benefit from Rain, which is something Nidoking has trouble with. Paralysis support from Bounce also helps.
Sableye @ Leftovers
Trait: Prankster
EV's: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 SpD
Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
IV's: 0 Atk
-Will-O-Wisp
-Taunt
-Recover
-Foul Play
Yes. I am biased. I love Sableye. Sue me.
Sableye both gives and receives from this pairing. One thing that's obvious Sableye gets is the fact that Nidoking stops completely something Sableye hates - Toxic Spikes. Nidoking also lures in said Blissey and Chansey, both of whom Sableye completely walls and can outstall to death so long as they are kept Taunted, unable to status or recover. Again, from Nidoking, Sableye can get an almost free, status-free switch in (though paralysis isn't really minded much). Sableye also helps the overall core by throwing around those burns everywhere, and stopping dangerous Baton Pass teams, Dual Screeners not named Espeon and Xatu, many members of common stall teams, many more member of common physically inclined HO teams, and Alakazam/Reuniclus (Foul Play, while using their lower Attack stats, still 2-3HKO's both, even of they have minimizing natures and 0 Atk IV's).
With Gyarados' EV's, his Subs are guaranteed to not break from a burned Ferrothorn's (uninvested) Power Whip. On the EV topic, Gyarados' Sub also lives through a Timid Choice Scarf Politoed's Scald in the rain with those 20 SpD EV's. The 204 Speed is to outrun Alakazam after 1 Dance. Sableye's 248 HP makes it so it takes reduced damage from Spikes and such, and the 136 SpD hits a jump point.
So that's my contribution. Paralysis support would be nice for things that don't need to be burnt, as well as the necessary Stealth Rock and other weather stops.
These are good submissions:
skidilidy
shnen
That Noob
Eggbert
Axmaster68
DetroitLolcat
Seth Vilo
Make sure that your submissions are similar in fashion to be considered. Just spouting a particular pokemon set will not be considered!
skidilidy
shnen
That Noob
Eggbert
Axmaster68
DetroitLolcat
Seth Vilo
Make sure that your submissions are similar in fashion to be considered. Just spouting a particular pokemon set will not be considered!
i like the discussions taking place - I am glad that people are in the same wavelength for the most part. It seems like most people support bulky offense as the general track to follow, but we are still open for other team style nominations of course. Nidoking is slow, so paralysis support definitely comes in handy. However, one might want to think of a plan B Sweeper, just in case our team is unable to paralyze key threats, which is certainly a possibility.
Also, Nidoking suffers from a Starmie syndrome - it's a pure special sweeper with no special boosting moves like Nasty Plot to break through special walls, namely Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon. It's by no means a wall breaker.
I think that's the problem with Nidoking - it lacks the raw power of wall-breakers and lacks the Speed to sweep.
One way to fix this is to pair Nidoking with a wall-breaker. Eggbert had the right idea in submitting a stall-breaker Hydreigon. LO Latios also comes to mind, being able to switch into EQs and Psychics, and start dishing hard damage. It also possess very nice Speed that allows it to even pull a sweep.
Wallbreaker Latios
Latios @ Life Orb
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe | Timid Nature
~ Draco Meteor
~ Psyshock
~ Hidden Power [Fire]
~ Calm Mind
Although Nidoking is not a wall-breaker, it still possesses immense power thanks to Sheer Force, and can break through less-defensive walls. One can simply allow Nidoking to be unwallable by passing boosts when dedicated special walls presents itself. For instance:
Baton Pass Celebi
Celebi @ Leftovers
252 HP / 32 Def / 176 SDef / 48 Spe | Calm Nature
~ Giga Drain
~ Nasty Plot / Calm Mind
~ Thunder Wave
~ Baton Pass
Celebi is a great BPer, thanks to its useful defensive typing and bulk. It is not just a one-trick pony, either, accomplishing more than baton passing boosts. It can spread paralysis, which also enhances Nidoking's sweep. It also provides very solid defensive coverage against Water types, as well as being able to switch into Ground and Psychic moves. It fears nothing from Gastrodon, thanks to Natural Cure, and start setting up; Chansey / Blissey can't really do much either. Baton Pass itself is a useful move without passing boosts - "dry passing" still lets you keep the momentum by establishing favorable match-ups.
Also, Nidoking suffers from a Starmie syndrome - it's a pure special sweeper with no special boosting moves like Nasty Plot to break through special walls, namely Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon. It's by no means a wall breaker.
I think that's the problem with Nidoking - it lacks the raw power of wall-breakers and lacks the Speed to sweep.
One way to fix this is to pair Nidoking with a wall-breaker. Eggbert had the right idea in submitting a stall-breaker Hydreigon. LO Latios also comes to mind, being able to switch into EQs and Psychics, and start dishing hard damage. It also possess very nice Speed that allows it to even pull a sweep.
Wallbreaker Latios
Latios @ Life Orb
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe | Timid Nature
~ Draco Meteor
~ Psyshock
~ Hidden Power [Fire]
~ Calm Mind
Although Nidoking is not a wall-breaker, it still possesses immense power thanks to Sheer Force, and can break through less-defensive walls. One can simply allow Nidoking to be unwallable by passing boosts when dedicated special walls presents itself. For instance:
Baton Pass Celebi
Celebi @ Leftovers
252 HP / 32 Def / 176 SDef / 48 Spe | Calm Nature
~ Giga Drain
~ Nasty Plot / Calm Mind
~ Thunder Wave
~ Baton Pass
Celebi is a great BPer, thanks to its useful defensive typing and bulk. It is not just a one-trick pony, either, accomplishing more than baton passing boosts. It can spread paralysis, which also enhances Nidoking's sweep. It also provides very solid defensive coverage against Water types, as well as being able to switch into Ground and Psychic moves. It fears nothing from Gastrodon, thanks to Natural Cure, and start setting up; Chansey / Blissey can't really do much either. Baton Pass itself is a useful move without passing boosts - "dry passing" still lets you keep the momentum by establishing favorable match-ups.
You are advocating for expert belt mixtar then? Bring it in on Chansey, pursuit on the protect, then superpower? Sounds good I guess, I know that in gen 4 OU this works. CB Tar is less effective and it is also walled by Gliscor (protect toxic heal laughs at CB Tar) Another strategy would be sludge wave Nidoking + CB Tar. This way chansey has to eat pursuit + toxic damage and can't stay in and softboiled / wish.
Also that Celebi looks really cool. It can counter waters, spread paralysis, and support Nido with CM passing (NP actually would be better, really scary even since they can't status stall nido, only seismic toss it) which is awesome. I've used that Latios, it is a good wallbreaker too. Also this is a discussion I don't see how the thread is going to fall apart.
Windwolf you are right, it should be a Rash nature.
If I were to use Nidoking, I would probably use to force switches on a bulky offence team with spikes and stuff.
I would recommend defensive skarmory for the spikes support. Then, I would also run specs rotom-W because it messes with stall so much. It can volt switch in and out of pokemon, giving nidoking places to switch in, and tricks other walls, crippling blissey, chansey, gastrodon, and other special walls. It forces many switches, so spikes damage will accumulate on the opponent's side. With max hp, it can have many opportunities to switch in. Both have decent type synergy with nidoking.
The sets.
I would recommend defensive skarmory for the spikes support. Then, I would also run specs rotom-W because it messes with stall so much. It can volt switch in and out of pokemon, giving nidoking places to switch in, and tricks other walls, crippling blissey, chansey, gastrodon, and other special walls. It forces many switches, so spikes damage will accumulate on the opponent's side. With max hp, it can have many opportunities to switch in. Both have decent type synergy with nidoking.
The sets.
Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Roost
Rotom-W @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Trick
- Pain Split
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Whirlwind
- Spikes
- Roost
Rotom-W @ Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SAtk / 8 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Trick
- Pain Split
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
No...now you're just twisting my words. -.-
CBtar is not walled by Gliscor as I just showed you with the calcs. If Gliscor can't wall CB Terrakion's Stone Edge, what makes you think it's taking CBtar's?
Toxic Spikes isn't a bad idea, but then it interferes with the spreading of paralysis which Nidoking needs more. :/
No, I was asking if you supported e-belt tar. I am just saying that I think expert belt TTar is better than CB Tar. Gliscor can stall out CB tar and Terrakion, ttar being the stronger of the two, with protect + poison heal or just end it with EQ and some residual damage. It can also just protect and switch to Ferrothorn or some other resist. Sac ttar to get rid of gliscor, something nido already beats. Sludge wave, not toxic spikes. Sludewave has a 30% chance of poison (I think) so if chansey switches in on it and gets poisoned, you go to ttar / scizor and click pursuit until it dies, but this relies on hax a bit (you can stay in a repeatedly sludge it though since it can't directly threaten you)
Nidoking isn't bad. I think it has good potential since it can use its coverage to beat teams with alot of setup sweepers and no defense and stallish teams alike.
Nidoking isn't bad. I think it has good potential since it can use its coverage to beat teams with alot of setup sweepers and no defense and stallish teams alike.
I agree. Nidoking is like...your stereotypical all-out special attacker with less speed than the OU metagame calls for. It also has practically one moveset, so it's absolutely easy to predict around. Is it nogstalgia? I don't know, but what Nidoking needs is paralysis support or Baton Pass boosts. I've seen teams be successful with unorthrodox Pokemon, so hopefully Nidoking has a place somewhere (I like him and all, but...).
The problem with your idea is Sheer Force. Remember, it cancels secondary effects so Sludge Wave is unable to Poison Chansey and Blissey.
Second of all, CB Tyranitar's Stone Edge is doing ~50-60% to Gliscor, so Gliscor can come in (assuming it's already poisoned which I'll give you), take ~55%+12% with SR so ~67% on average and gain back that 12% lost with Protect. At this point it has the choice of dying to SE or switching out. My point is, if you switch Ttar in on Chansey and spam SE one of the two is going to die unless the opponent has a Rock resist like Ferrothorn as you said. That leads me to think Magnezone would make a pretty good partner, but forget about that for now. I guess expert belt ttar would work with Toxic Spikes. It's just I'd rather be capable of spreading paralysis for Nidoking to sweep instead of something else since it's not the best abuser of poison out there. js.
Edit: This would be so much easier if we just picked Kyurem. -_____- Is there any way we can just add abomasnow's votes to kyurem's tally and call it hail like someone suggested earlier.
Eggbert, Sheer Force removes all secondary effects in exchange for the 30% boost - so no poisoning Chansey with Slugde Wave. An easy mistake to make I won't blame ya ;d
jc104, there are some redeeming factors for Nidoking. Yes it isn't fast, but it does outrun Adamant Haxorus and everything slower, which I believe is plenty fast. And yes, it does get walled by the top special walls - Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon, but there are very few mons outside of these that can take 2 hits from Nidoking. Its unique special ground offense prevents other conventional special walls such as Jirachi, Heatran, and Tyranitar, from shrugging off his hits, either. I believe Nidoking is feasible in BW OU.
Metagross66, what about providing this Tyranitar set that you've been talking about :o
jc104, there are some redeeming factors for Nidoking. Yes it isn't fast, but it does outrun Adamant Haxorus and everything slower, which I believe is plenty fast. And yes, it does get walled by the top special walls - Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon, but there are very few mons outside of these that can take 2 hits from Nidoking. Its unique special ground offense prevents other conventional special walls such as Jirachi, Heatran, and Tyranitar, from shrugging off his hits, either. I believe Nidoking is feasible in BW OU.
Metagross66, what about providing this Tyranitar set that you've been talking about :o
Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant
156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch
~ Pursuit
~ Superpower / Aqua Tail
This is straight from the analysis, although we could use another spread. Basically, just come in on Chansey and start spamming Stone Edge until something on the opposing team dies. Works best with Spikes since it forces lots of switches after the initial hit (remember, no one really expects CBtar).
Edit: tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if the opponent doesn't switch Chansey out after a Protect on the first SE considering how weak the most common Tyranitar is. If Ttar lands that "surprise" Stone Edge Nidoking is pretty much free to sweep.
Adamant
156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spe
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch
~ Pursuit
~ Superpower / Aqua Tail
This is straight from the analysis, although we could use another spread. Basically, just come in on Chansey and start spamming Stone Edge until something on the opposing team dies. Works best with Spikes since it forces lots of switches after the initial hit (remember, no one really expects CBtar).
Edit: tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if the opponent doesn't switch Chansey out after a Protect on the first SE considering how weak the most common Tyranitar is. If Ttar lands that "surprise" Stone Edge Nidoking is pretty much free to sweep.
oh crap I forgot about that. Forget about t-spikes, with venusaur, tentacruel, ect being so common.
Regarding CB I think the problem is that it will be bring in physical walls instead of luring special ones. I haven't used it in gen 5 so I'm not sure if the Chansey thing works, where with e-belt you can bluff scarf pursuit. Maybe we should just base the team around Kyurem or CBtar, they both seem to bring more to the table without.
Regarding CB I think the problem is that it will be bring in physical walls instead of luring special ones. I haven't used it in gen 5 so I'm not sure if the Chansey thing works, where with e-belt you can bluff scarf pursuit. Maybe we should just base the team around Kyurem or CBtar, they both seem to bring more to the table without.
But that's kind of a good thing about it since Nidoking can switch in on them and threaten them out easily with its coverage.
I agree, though, we should have done Kyurem -.-
Btw, guys, this is going to be very open-ended: you may submit multiple nominations as long as you back them up with good reasoning.
Here are also some nomination scenarios that work as long as you specify:
1) You made 2 nominations: first nomination with Pokemon A + B, and a second nomination with Pokemon C that can pair well with Pokemon A. If you specify this condition, I will be sure to list them as A+B and A+C on the ballot.
2) You may have a nomination with 2 Pokemon that you want to count separately - they don't necessarily work together as a pair. If you specify this condition, I will be sure to separate them in the ballot as Pokemon A and Pokemon B, rather than A+B.
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Metagross66, I could see how CBTar can provide complementary offense with Nidoking, but I'd argue that CB Terrakion is better. Most importantly it has Speed to somewhat compensate for Nidoking falling short. It also has a much more powerful secondary STAB in Close Combat, which is necessary to OHKO Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon (of course after Gliscor is gone).
CB Terrakion
Terrakion @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe | Jolly Nature
~ Close Combat
~ Stone Edge
~ X-Scissor
~ Rock Slide
I can certainly see Nidoking as a monster of opportunity - letting Terrakion to switch into the predictable switch-in to special walls to start pounding things to the ground.
Here are also some nomination scenarios that work as long as you specify:
1) You made 2 nominations: first nomination with Pokemon A + B, and a second nomination with Pokemon C that can pair well with Pokemon A. If you specify this condition, I will be sure to list them as A+B and A+C on the ballot.
2) You may have a nomination with 2 Pokemon that you want to count separately - they don't necessarily work together as a pair. If you specify this condition, I will be sure to separate them in the ballot as Pokemon A and Pokemon B, rather than A+B.
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Metagross66, I could see how CBTar can provide complementary offense with Nidoking, but I'd argue that CB Terrakion is better. Most importantly it has Speed to somewhat compensate for Nidoking falling short. It also has a much more powerful secondary STAB in Close Combat, which is necessary to OHKO Chansey, Blissey, and Gastrodon (of course after Gliscor is gone).
CB Terrakion
Terrakion @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe | Jolly Nature
~ Close Combat
~ Stone Edge
~ X-Scissor
~ Rock Slide
I can certainly see Nidoking as a monster of opportunity - letting Terrakion to switch into the predictable switch-in to special walls to start pounding things to the ground.
Idk, I'd rather be able to trap Chansey, and let Nidoking do the rest of the work. Terrakion alone destroys stall teams so this brings up the question: What's Nidoking for?
As for the issue with speed. That's where the second partner I mentioned comes in. I mentioned Rotom-W as a partner for Nidoking and Tyranitar. The particular set I'd like to use is in this post, but with a slight change in the EV spread to make it more offensive.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3965042&postcount=316
Edit:
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
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Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SAtk / 148 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Thunder Wave
- Pain Split
Is my nomination
Explanation: Rotom-W lures in Special Attackers like the lati twins and grass types like Virizion, Ferrothorn and Celebi, all of which are beaten by the combination of Tyranitar (for the Latitwins) + Nidoking (for the grass types). The issue with The two is Speed. Thunder Wave lessens this issue while Volt Switch lets you grab the momentum. Chansey is an issue for both Nidoking and Rotom-W. Choice Band Tyranitar not only beats and traps Chansey, but also muscles its way through physical walls like Gliscor with its raw power. This core has resistances to everything bar Grass and Dragon type attacks so it's pretty solid defensively as well. It just needs hazard support.
As for the issue with speed. That's where the second partner I mentioned comes in. I mentioned Rotom-W as a partner for Nidoking and Tyranitar. The particular set I'd like to use is in this post, but with a slight change in the EV spread to make it more offensive.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3965042&postcount=316
Edit:
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Pursuit
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
+
Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 108 HP / 252 SAtk / 148 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Thunder Wave
- Pain Split
Is my nomination
Explanation: Rotom-W lures in Special Attackers like the lati twins and grass types like Virizion, Ferrothorn and Celebi, all of which are beaten by the combination of Tyranitar (for the Latitwins) + Nidoking (for the grass types). The issue with The two is Speed. Thunder Wave lessens this issue while Volt Switch lets you grab the momentum. Chansey is an issue for both Nidoking and Rotom-W. Choice Band Tyranitar not only beats and traps Chansey, but also muscles its way through physical walls like Gliscor with its raw power. This core has resistances to everything bar Grass and Dragon type attacks so it's pretty solid defensively as well. It just needs hazard support.
What about both? If no, please count the members from my earlier post as A+B and A+C. In case you'd like to view it again, here it is in its entirety:
I am honored to have given the winning nomination for a team built by the community, so thanks guys! On another note, I am all for Bulky Offense for the team type. One teammate that really comes to mind is Haxkiss. Here's the set
Togekiss@ Lefties
Calm and Serene Grace
252 HP/4 Def/ 252 SDef
-Body Slam/Thunder Wave
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere/Flamethrower/Nasty Plot
-Roost
Paralysis Support, covering of one weakness of Nidoking, even though they share an Ice weakness, and a chance to sweep slower opponents, I've used this set to great effect in OU. Yes, I know Togekiss is UU, but when it comes to paralysis support and bulkyness without too many weaknesses, such as Celebi, which has 7, Togekiss has only 3, in Rock, Electric, and Ice. Togekiss does come with an SR weakness, but that's where this next member comes in:
Starmie@ Lefties/LO
Timid and Natural Cure
4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
-Rapid Spin
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
-Recover(/T-bolt/Ice Beam)
Rapid Spin Support, weaknesses of both Nidoking and Togekiss covered to an extent, and MORE Gen 1 love! Starmie would be a great fit as a spinner and as an offensive power, coupled with the fact that it synergiezes amazingly with Nidoking, resisting every weakness it has, while the King takes care of Electric and Bug type moves Starmie would get. Starmie even synergizes well with Togekiss, resisting Ice and Rock moves, while Togekiss resists Bug, Ghost, and Grass.
Keep in mind that each potential member listed here shares one and only one weakness with either Starmie, Nidoking, or Togekiss, but that can be easily taken care of with a different member, not to mention the fact that each member that does not share a weakness with the other two either resists it or is immune to it.
Togekiss@ Lefties
Calm and Serene Grace
252 HP/4 Def/ 252 SDef
-Body Slam/Thunder Wave
-Air Slash
-Aura Sphere/Flamethrower/Nasty Plot
-Roost
Paralysis Support, covering of one weakness of Nidoking, even though they share an Ice weakness, and a chance to sweep slower opponents, I've used this set to great effect in OU. Yes, I know Togekiss is UU, but when it comes to paralysis support and bulkyness without too many weaknesses, such as Celebi, which has 7, Togekiss has only 3, in Rock, Electric, and Ice. Togekiss does come with an SR weakness, but that's where this next member comes in:
Starmie@ Lefties/LO
Timid and Natural Cure
4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd
-Rapid Spin
-Hydro Pump/Surf
-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
-Recover(/T-bolt/Ice Beam)
Rapid Spin Support, weaknesses of both Nidoking and Togekiss covered to an extent, and MORE Gen 1 love! Starmie would be a great fit as a spinner and as an offensive power, coupled with the fact that it synergiezes amazingly with Nidoking, resisting every weakness it has, while the King takes care of Electric and Bug type moves Starmie would get. Starmie even synergizes well with Togekiss, resisting Ice and Rock moves, while Togekiss resists Bug, Ghost, and Grass.
Keep in mind that each potential member listed here shares one and only one weakness with either Starmie, Nidoking, or Togekiss, but that can be easily taken care of with a different member, not to mention the fact that each member that does not share a weakness with the other two either resists it or is immune to it.
Sooooooooooooooooooo
My computer's functioning now, and I feel entitled now to control this thread again. Pocket, thank you for taking care of it, it's really blossomed!
That said, we are in Phase 2, which, in the OP, states:
This means that you are to nominate team styles, NOT Pokemon. You will be expected to justify your nomination.
However, all Pokemon nominations at this point will be accepted, so don't fret! Continue posting!
My computer's functioning now, and I feel entitled now to control this thread again. Pocket, thank you for taking care of it, it's really blossomed!
That said, we are in Phase 2, which, in the OP, states:
This means that you are to nominate team styles, NOT Pokemon. You will be expected to justify your nomination.
However, all Pokemon nominations at this point will be accepted, so don't fret! Continue posting!
Definitely Bulky Offense is the way to go with this. Most of the partners that work well with Nidoking are bulky and hit hard.
Zurich's finally back! Buying time was rough... j/k, lol :p Sorry for rushing the process :x
I nominate bulky offense as the team style for Team Nidoking. Nidoking is an offensive mon, but it lacks Speed / strong priority / stat-boosting move to fit in heavy offense, imo. I agree with YAYtears that Nidoking can benefit a lot from Spikes-stacking to wear down the few mons that can take his hits. It will also benefit from the defensive pivots that we can fall back on when the opponent brings in something faster. Bulky offense can also include mons to spread paralysis to enhance Nidoking's sweep or even include a Tailwind Summoner to temporarily make Nidoking an unstoppable sheer force (pun sucks), as suggested by shnen.
I nominate bulky offense as the team style for Team Nidoking. Nidoking is an offensive mon, but it lacks Speed / strong priority / stat-boosting move to fit in heavy offense, imo. I agree with YAYtears that Nidoking can benefit a lot from Spikes-stacking to wear down the few mons that can take his hits. It will also benefit from the defensive pivots that we can fall back on when the opponent brings in something faster. Bulky offense can also include mons to spread paralysis to enhance Nidoking's sweep or even include a Tailwind Summoner to temporarily make Nidoking an unstoppable sheer force (pun sucks), as suggested by shnen.
I think Balance or Bulky Offense is the way to go. I think it will be important for Nidoking's team to have at least two different entry hazards on it, possibly even all three. Since Nidoking is an offensive Pokemon, it's almost necessary for this team to be offensive in nature; however, I'm not sure how offensive this team needs to be.
If we go the balance route, then I think teammates like Jirachi, Celebi, or Forretress might be the way to go, as all three either support Nidoking's team or disrupt the opponent's in a way beneficial to Nidoking (especially Jirachi).
If we make this team offense, I think Rotom-W and/or Hydreigon are some of the best teammates around. Nidoking outspeeds and resists most Fighters, while Hydreigon has a Ground immunity. Rotom-W has Trick to beat up on Blissey, who Nidoking can't break.
I don't really like Terrakion as a partner for it, as it doesn't take out much of Nidoking's counters besides Blissey and tons of Pokemon can do that.
If we go the balance route, then I think teammates like Jirachi, Celebi, or Forretress might be the way to go, as all three either support Nidoking's team or disrupt the opponent's in a way beneficial to Nidoking (especially Jirachi).
If we make this team offense, I think Rotom-W and/or Hydreigon are some of the best teammates around. Nidoking outspeeds and resists most Fighters, while Hydreigon has a Ground immunity. Rotom-W has Trick to beat up on Blissey, who Nidoking can't break.
I don't really like Terrakion as a partner for it, as it doesn't take out much of Nidoking's counters besides Blissey and tons of Pokemon can do that.
Lol Nidoking, probably one of the most overhyped Pokemon in early BW.
You know, seeing Nidoking's excellent type coverage, unique set of resistances, no LO recoil and immunity to Thunder Wave and Toxic, the easiest way to make a team around it IMO, is just to make a SmashPass team. Nidoking just screams "BP boosts to me". Yeah, this might get frowned upon because everyone hates SmashPass, but Nidoking can't really go wrong with +2/+2/+2 passed to it, really.
You know, seeing Nidoking's excellent type coverage, unique set of resistances, no LO recoil and immunity to Thunder Wave and Toxic, the easiest way to make a team around it IMO, is just to make a SmashPass team. Nidoking just screams "BP boosts to me". Yeah, this might get frowned upon because everyone hates SmashPass, but Nidoking can't really go wrong with +2/+2/+2 passed to it, really.
