Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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Xephyr said:
Unfortunately for the Ninjask-->(Armaldo, Rhydon, Torterra) strategy, my own bulky Torterra walls all of them even with attack and roars them out and ALSO sets up Stealth Rock to limit Ninjask's effectiveness.
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766 Atk vs 339 Def & 394 HP (80 Base Power): 390 - 458 (98.98% - 116.24%)

+2 Armaldo X-scissor vs Max/Max +Def Torterra. 100% OHKO with SR

788 Atk vs 339 Def & 394 HP (120 Base Power): 400 - 472 (101.52% - 119.80%)

+2 Rhydon Megahorn vs Max/Max +Def Torterra. 100% OHKO no matter what.

696 Atk vs 339 Def & 394 HP (120 Base Power): 264 - 312 (67.01% - 79.19%)

+2 Torterra Wood Hammer vs Max/Max +Def Torterra. 2HKO

So while, yes, ideally you would get Torterra in there at first sight of Ninjask, a smart player would wait and weaken it first, since you said you aren't running Max/Max+, you probably won't be taking these attacks very well regardless.
 
Oh My Biscuits said:
Well, Volbeat can't use Seismic Toss with Prankster because it comes from a Gen. 3 tutor. I just use the Sub/T-Wave/Tail Glow/BP set and it seems to work wonders. I'm gonna try BPing to Kadabra now instead of Glaceon, though.
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surprisingly enough, Seismic Toss is an egg move for Volbeat. But yea, overall BP'ing Tail Glows is the best it can do. Simipour is a pretty good recipient, nice speed, and a great movepool with HP Grass so it can hit them dang quagsires and other water types.
 
Axa said:
I haven't tried it out, but would Audino work out? She's good decent all-around defenses and a good supportive movepool, including Wish and Trick Room. She's also got Regenerator. Unfortunately she has no offensive presence whatsoever and Absol and Pinsir walk all over her.
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Outside of Trick Room / Regenerator I think Audino's pretty outclassed by Lickilicky. It has better defenses overall (Audino's 103/86/86 to Lickilicky's 110/95/95) and access to Wish/Heal Bell like Audino. Lickilicky also gets several other niche moves, including Knock Off (which is decent in this meta because plenty of things rely on Eviolite, like Rhydon), Disable, and access to phazing in Dragon Tail. Of course, it isn't taking STAB Close Combats or dealing with stuff like Absol particularly well, but that's what you have teammates for.
 
TickingSeedotBomb said:
surprisingly enough, Seismic Toss is an egg move for Volbeat. But yea, overall BP'ing Tail Glows is the best it can do. Simipour is a pretty good recipient, nice speed, and a great movepool with HP Grass so it can hit them dang quagsires and other water types.
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Oh, it is? My bad. :/. Anyways, I BP to TR Exeggutor now with Giga Drain/Psyshock/HP Fire/TR and it works really well. Outpredicting Sucker Punch users is fun. You set up TR, they use Sucker Punch, you take TR down again, they try to Sucker Punch you again, and you pretty much just play mind games with them. Of course, if TR is down and they have another Dark-type move, you're kinda screwed. But it hits really hard at +3 with LO. I could also pass it to OTR Slowking, who pretty much does the same thing but with different type coverage.
 
I just realized how psychic dominated this tier is. There's so many options it's not even funny. With each psychic type doing a different job. I often find myself with two psychics on my team lol
 
Yeah, it's banned. Just tell a mod and they can kick your opponent.

@Seedot: Yeah that's why Pinsir is so good n__n
 
TickingSeedotBomb said:
I just realized how psychic dominated this tier is. There's so many options it's not even funny. With each psychic type doing a different job. I often find myself with two psychics on my team lol
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This is of the reasons I want to revisit Swords Dance Scolipede (or even Choice Band).

SubCM Mesprit is really good. It hits like a truck, sets up on a lot of stuff and is ridiculously bulky (I'm not running any Speed).

Next thing on my list to try is Leafeon, I think (oh, and Lanturn).
 
Back on with my obsession of BPing Tail Glows from Volbeat, bulky Mesprit @ Leftovers is a really good recipient. Also, call me crazy, but I BP to Specs Glaceon as well. Being Choice-locked into Ice Beam isn't the best thing, but with 1477~ish SpA, it's pretty damn strong and can take down a hell of a lot of things.
 
Speaking of Baton Passing bugs, I found that Rhydon (and I assume Armaldo) does extremely well against them with this set:

Rhydon@Eviolite
Impish, 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 wherever (probably could be optimised, but it's just so damn bulky)
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Rock Blast
- Earthquake

Since Volbeat/Ninjask often are leads (and even if not, you can just switch into them), you get up free rocks while they try to set up and then Roar the recipient or Rock Blast their subs. Due to its incredible bulk, Rhydon can check just about every physical attacker, too. I just love him!
Armaldo could probably run a similar set (SR/Spin/Rock Blast/whatever).
 
@Limi: When I was running T-Wave, I always HATED facing pretty much ANY Ground-type Pokemon since I couldn't touch them at ALL. Encore helps SO much more with setting up and passing to the next Pokemon. I think the main reason why you should use Rhydon > Armaldo is because of its Ground typing and extra bulk with Eviolite, but Rapid Spin and Lefties is useful as well.
 
I find it funny that you can pretty much throw together a mono ice team and get to like 10th on the ladder before you find any trouble. I've been testing it out and have yet to lose.
 
jas61292 said:
I said it in UU, but no one listened. And I didn't blame them.
I said it in RU, but most people brushed it aside. And I swept them.
Now I'll say it in NU.

Use Scarf Braviary.

Outspeeds everything it needs to, has great power, and all the coverage a scarfer needs. It might not be the most threatening Pokemon in the tier, but I have yet to find anyone else that can do its job as well up in RU, and it has been even more amazing here.

If you are not going to scarf it, Swellow give major competition with its massive guts power and natural speed. But it lacks the pure power of Braviary, and thus is unable to revenge faster things like Scarfiary can. It also can't take a beating like Braviary.

Seriously people. Just try it. I don't want this awesome pokemon to get less use than it deserves.
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I've gotta back this up; my team isn't that great, but every time I've used Scarf Braviary it hasn't disappointed me. Usually it ends up taking down 2-3 of my opponent's team before they can do anything about it. It works REALLY well with Lanturn as people always send in 'mons with electric attacks to try and take it out, at which point I can just Volt Absorb their attack and hit them with a decently powered Surf or Discharge and hope for Paralysis.
Also, I'd like to say that Golem makes a decent SR 'mon down here. Sturdy means it WILL set rocks down, and Explosion + Normal Gem does ridiculous damage with it's semi-good attack stat.
 
I just played you ChaoticaMortis haha. I have to say that your Lanturn did annoy me a bit. I suggest running Toxic or something on there so you have a better chance at taking down the bulkier Blizzard users.

Also, Scarf Braviary is pretty good. It's only problem is that it's easily outsped by Scarf Rotom and OHKO'd :D
 
Yeah, Scarf Fridge Rotom is a pain in the ass, hail or not.
Toxic wouldn't help the set I'm using on Lanturn that much in my opinion. It only has leftovers recovery, so I think I'd also need to run protect with toxic to make it better at stalling, and at that point I just might as well be using Wallrein. Lanturn's done good as a bulky cleric, so I might just give toxic to Wartortle...
Wartortle, by the way, is one badass little Rapid Spinner.
 
Hazards Smeargle has been absolutely brilliant for me so far, even without a Ghost-type to block spins. Smeargle often gets at least two layers especially if it outspeeds the majority of the opposing team, and often more. By far the best hazards user in the meta, imo.
 
Zebraiken said:
Hazards Smeargle has been absolutely brilliant for me so far, even without a Ghost-type to block spins. Smeargle often gets at least two layers especially if it outspeeds the majority of the opposing team, and often more. By far the best hazards user in the meta, imo.
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Also going to agree, when I did use it, it always got at least 2 layers of spikes down. Spore guarantees something's going to sleep, and Focus Sash keeps it alive longer. Smeargle's also got better speed than a few of the other hazard layers, so he can just put them to sleep and set some up himself.
Golem has it's positives as well, but Smeargle is better overall now that I think about it...
 
Zebraiken said:
Hazards Smeargle has been absolutely brilliant for me so far, even without a Ghost-type to block spins. Smeargle often gets at least two layers especially if it outspeeds the majority of the opposing team, and often more. By far the best hazards user in the meta, imo.
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The thing with Smeargle is that people always seem to use Spore on my utterly worthless Snover. Then I bring in Cryogonal as they set up rocks, and then I just OHKO it because people underestimate the Snowflake. I spin next turn, and then bam. You got no hazards and all I get is a sleeping tree that's worthless anyway.
 
Xephyr said:
The thing with Smeargle is that people always seem to use Spore on my utterly worthless Snover. Then I bring in Cryogonal as they set up rocks, and then I just OHKO it because people underestimate the Snowflake. I spin next turn, and then bam. You got no hazards and all I get is a sleeping tree that's worthless anyway.
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Smeargle's frail enough that it's not going to take even a Snover Blizzard. At least by Sporing something it was taking it out of the match, rather than not using Spore and losing Rocks because you'd spin them anyway.
 
Yeah but it takes out Snover, who literally can do absolutely nothing besides use Protect to stall for some damage and that's about it.
 
Braviary only outspeeds a small handful of things Swellow doesn't, and Swellow has so much more natural power (Jolly Guts Swellow Facade hits 25% harder than Adamant Braviary Brave Bird).

You miss their Klinklang / Magneton / whatever setting up on your Cryogonal while you spin.
 
Lol, i have been using a hail team in RU with 5 out of 6 pokemon being NU, and with great success (losing only once of 20 battles).

So i will adapt the team completely to NU and see how it works ^^

PS: i have tried Ice Body Glalie and is a decent spiker under the hailstorm, not as good as froslass but it gets the job done. And 80/80/80 defenses are good for NU, so it can even use toxic+protect to lay down more spikes while harming the foe. An uninvested 80 spatk base blizzard doesn't hurt much even factoring stab, but well...
 
Lead Jynx beats lead Smeargle pretty much 75% of the time without him being able to setup hazards, Lead Jynx is one of the best leads imo. I use sash personally with lovely kiss / Nasty Plot / Psyshock / Ice Beam. She has yet to dissapoint!
 
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