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As much as I hated to see this happen, I knew Pujols was going to leave the Cardinals even during the post-season I had that hunch. Disappointing, but still a relief that he's going to the AL instead, and won't be a further burden to the Cardinals anymore.
 
Meanwhile in beantown...

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i legit gasped when my roommate just said it

there are a bunch of players i would suspect but ryan braun definitely wasn't one of them
 
It didn't shock me one bit, Braun was coming off his best season with the Brewers in his career. He led them to the Post Season and to top it all of he wins an MVP award.

Braun has fucked up his reputation as a legit player in the league, he even had his own opinion when A-Rod was going through his troubles in 2009 with PED's. Braun said that A-Rod should just come forward and tell the truth, and he personally would never use any drug to enhance his playing.

If he's found guilty, big hypocrite for lying. Braun isn't the only player in the league who's using PED's, there are others but haven't been caught yet by the league.
 
Macle like 1% of the league uses steroids. In the minors it is very common because they want to juice to be able to make it over other people. If you were in the minors working your ass off would you want someone juicing up like a fruit and jacking balls(no pun intended) off your bat then beat you into the majors since they used an illegal substance?
 
The drug testing policy is a damn joke.
It all dates back with a bottle of a nutritional supplement seen in Mark McGwire´s locker.
This began the whole steroid era in the 2000 decade.

With Multi-Million dollar contracts on the line every season, the only fact that we can be sure of is that steroids are being used in baseball, and they will continue to be used for as long as players can get away with it. Congress chimed in and pressured MLB into instituting a comprehensive testing policy for their athletes, but steroid use in baseball is unlikely to decline considerably as a result of it.

Personally, I don't care if they use it but I have an opinion about that player and I'd rather see a player who's clean hit 30+ home runs compared to a drug user that hits 40+
 
Real homeruns are much more fun to see. When you see someone who hits 50+ and you see the ball go 400 feet without even effort, i'd keep an eye on them. Prince swings for the ocean, so i would much rather see that
 
I'd rather they just legalize all PEDs and just force everyone to use them. Level playing field AND 700ft home runs. It's a win-win.
 
Does anyone really know how much the use of performance enhancing drugs really affect the performance of players? Most of you seem to be under the impression that steroids are some sort of god send to baseball players. You don't just magically transform into some sort of superstar hitter.

Anyways, here's a little snippit from an article that sums up my point of view on this topic pretty nicely

People will point to his incredible numbers; his .312/.371/.563 career slash line, his .402 career wOBA, his 25.2 career fWAR, and his 161 home runs, and talk of them as if they mean nothing; as if every last ounce of talent in his being is caused by some synthetic elixir of the Gods that changes ordinary people into Babe Ruth.
If Braun is found guilty, the angry mob will demand a retraction of his MVP award, claiming that he would never have won it had be not been doping. In fact, one writer has already done that.

This is not to say that Braun should not be suspended if he did something wrong; if he broke the rules, then he should pay the price. But if he’s guilty, the insistent drone of the industry will proclaim Braun to be of bad personal character and claim that his numbers are hollow and now mean nothing; they will say all of this without a shred of real evidence or authority on the subject.

Of course, the only reason we’ll even remember all of this in a few years is because Braun is an excellent baseball player; and a power-hitter to boot. We don’t remember, or selectively forget, that J.C. Romero, Guillermo Mota and Edinson Volquez have all tested positive and been suspended under the new drug testing system. We don’t remember that Astros infielder Angel Sanchez was suspended while playing in the minors. And I don’t imagine anyone much cares. Those players don’t hit home runs after all.

Also it wasn't that they found PEDs, they found high levels of testosterone in his system, most likely due to synthetic hormones.
 
Does anyone really know how much the use of performance enhancing drugs really affect the performance of players? Most of you seem to be under the impression that steroids are some sort of god send to baseball players. You don't just magically transform into some sort of superstar hitter.

Anyways, here's a little snippit from an article that sums up my point of view on this topic pretty nicely



Also it wasn't that they found PEDs, they found high levels of testosterone in his system, most likely due to synthetic hormones.

Bob Costas disagrees. he will tell you that players these days, they've forgotten how to sacrifice bunt and hit singles. it is all steroids' fault. and only hitters took steroids, which is why offense is down now. and steroids ruined baseball. why do you defend steroids? do you like ruining baseball?
 
Does anyone really know how much the use of performance enhancing drugs really affect the performance of players? Most of you seem to be under the impression that steroids are some sort of god send to baseball players. You don't just magically transform into some sort of superstar hitter.

Regardless, taking any substance is still cheating, it isn't acceptable as these players are expected to be Major League Baseball players. Why do you think they have the Minor League teams for?

Sammy Sosa wasn't a quality home run hitter pre-steroid era, neither was McGwire. These two share one common interest, performance enhancement drugs. During those glory years those two were having record breaking careers, Sosa and McGwire were the premiere players of the MLB. Home run sluggers hitting 60+ HR's. Take away the drugs, they're just your average ball players. Barry Bonds career was a complete utter disagrace in my honest opinion, breaking Hank Aaron's record was a slap in the face for the older generation. How would you like it if some hot shot steroid user broke your record? I personally wouldn't like it, but at least in my heart I knew I didn't cheat to become the home run leader of all time in baseball.

A lot of people don't care about it because we live in a generation where CHEATING has become acceptable to many. It's sad but true.
 
Sammy Sosa wasn't a quality home run hitter pre-steroid era, neither was McGwire. These two share one common interest, performance enhancement drugs. During those glory years those two were having record breaking careers, Sosa and McGwire were the premiere players of the MLB. Home run sluggers hitting 60+ HR's. Take away the drugs, they're just your average ball players. Barry Bonds career was a complete utter disagrace in my honest opinion, breaking Hank Aaron's record was a slap in the face for the older generation. How would you like it if some hot shot steroid user broke your record? I personally wouldn't like it, but at least in my heart I knew I didn't cheat to become the home run leader of all time in baseball.

Steroids and baseball.

if steroids really could turn "your average ball players" into players with Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, etc level performance...how came we didn't see more players as good as them?
 
Damn Bob Costas. It's clear that I've made a grave mistake in feeling this way. The steps forward we've claimed to make with all our baseball "knowledge" are just images used to hide what we can't quantify. Men play this game by lowering they chances with sacrifice bunts at inopportune moments, the intentional walk, and stealing third. Because that's the real man's game. A game with heart, where no one computer can tell us what the logical thing to do would be. And in this game of heart, do we really need steroids, something which can take someone such as myself and transform them into a superhuman.

I say no. Long live baseball.

http://youtu.be/WCeAQZYKjwc
 
Steroids and baseball.

if steroids really could turn "your average ball players" into players with Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, etc level performance...how came we didn't see more players as good as them?


Easy question. Simply put many baseball players before entering the league they know the risks of taking PED's and knowing that, damaging their image would affect their career. There have been tons and tons of players who were your average Joe's but obviously they deny taking them. Here's a list brah.

Ken Caminiti
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Armando Rios
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Jose Canseco
Tom House
Wally Joyner
Jim Leyritz
Paxton Crawford
David Segui
John Rocker
Paul Byrd


Mark McGwire
Manny Alexander
Chuck Finley
Barry Bonds
Marvin Bernard
Randy Velarde
Wilson Alvarez
Bret Boone
Ozzie Canseco
Juan Gonzalez
Dave Martinez
Ivan Rodriguez
Tony Saunders
Miguel Tejada
Lenny Dykstra
Dave Hollins
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Brian Roberts
Jay Gibbons
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Darren Holmes
Rick Ankiel
Troy Glaus
Scott Schoeneweis
Matt Williams
Jose Guillen
Ismael Valdez
Magglio Ordonez
Alex Rodriguez
Mike Piazza
Todd Greene
Sammy Sosa
David Ortiz
 
congratulations. you've listed like .1% of all baseball players that played during the so called "steroid era." like i said, if steroids were a magical elixir for Ruthian performance, how come your list is restricted to a few dozen players, some of whom were STILL pedestrian players even after taking PEDs (GMJ jr, Rocker, Boone, to name a few). players like ARod, Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, etc were Hall of Fame caliber players, steroids or not. nothing can substitute for natural talent, which these players had a ton of. this is why when a scrub like GMJ Jr uses, he is still what he is: a scrub.

your argument doesn't add up. do yourself a favor and check the link. steroids and its affect on baseball are inconclusive at best.
 
Look at the names on your list. Did all of them reach levels of star power like the names he mentioned? No.

Then why did you bother proving his own argument? You're trying to claim that steroids can take anyone and make them a star. I doubt you even know 3/4 of the list that you posted, like our favorite LOOGY Scott Schoeneweis.
 
congratulations. you've listed like 1% of all baseball players that played during the so called "steroid era." like i said, if steroids were a magical elixir for Ruthian performance, how come your list is restricted to a few dozen players, some of whom were STILL pedestrian players even after taking PEDs (GMJ jr, Rocker, Boone, to name a few).

your argument doesn't add up. do yourself a favor and check the link. steroids and its affect on baseball are inconclusive at best.

If you expected a list of 70% of baseball players you've got to be ignorant.
There isn't anything more to say, science and the effects of steroids has been already studied. Why would you want me to prove a point that's already been proven.

If you're so defensive about the current players who are taking PED's and haven't been performing to the level of a Sammy Sosa, than that's their fucking problems. I never once mentioned that if one average ball player takes steroids they will automatically become an amazing baseball player. Why don't you go ahead and try consuming PED's and see the positive and negative effects of the human body. Do us the honor.
 
Please get off Barry Bonds. He was an incredible baseball player well before he was ever accused of taking steroids. People accuse his numbers of jumping so high but literally no other player has a jump that is considerable. Did steroids help his performance? Undoubtedly, but no other player raised their own game at the level that Barry did.

I'm not the person to argue with so for a much better argument I'll invite you to read "Who's Better Who's Best in Baseball?" by Elliot Kalb (forward by bob Costats) entry number 1, where Kalb makes many arguments that really aren't refutable.

Saying Bonds was "pedestrian", "average" or "not HOF worthy" without steroids is simply fallacious, end of story.



Back to Braun, are his stats a byproduct of his numbers? No, they are simply enhanced by them. You cant argue his talent isn't there and without whatever drug he's taking its still possible he would have won the MVP regardless.

(/semirant, thats all I wanted to say)
 
If you expected a list of 70% of baseball players you've got to be ignorant.
There isn't anything more to say, science and the effects of steroids has been already studied. Why would you want me to prove a point that's already been proven.
yes they have. why don't you take a look?

If you're so defensive about the current players who are taking PED's and haven't been performing to the level of a Sammy Sosa, than that's their fucking problems. I never once mentioned that if one average ball player takes steroids they will automatically become an amazing baseball player. Why don't you go ahead and try consuming PED's and see the positive and negative effects of the human body. Do us the honor.
Sammy Sosa wasn't a quality home run hitter pre-steroid era, neither was McGwire. These two share one common interest, performance enhancement drugs. During those glory years those two were having record breaking careers, Sosa and McGwire were the premiere players of the MLB. Home run sluggers hitting 60+ HR's. Take away the drugs, they're just your average ball players. Barry Bonds career was a complete utter disagrace in my honest opinion, breaking Hank Aaron's record was a slap in the face for the older generation. How would you like it if some hot shot steroid user broke your record? I personally wouldn't like it, but at least in my heart I knew I didn't cheat to become the home run leader of all time in baseball.
hmmm...
 
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