Lucario Discussion

[Archmaster Mesa]

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you forgot Choice Specs Lucario, which happens to be my favorite.

Lucario @ Choice Specs *Neo*
Modest : 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
~ Aura Sphere
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Dark Pulse
~ Psychic

the average blissey focuses more on defense than special defense nowadays, as such this Lucario is able to 2HKO most Bliss with Aura Sphere, which is always a good thing if you ask me. still those blissey that choose not to skimp on the special defense will require some luck.

 

[Lupo Aro]

you forgot Choice Specs Lucario, which happens to be my favorite.

Lucario @ Choice Specs *Neo*
Modest : 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
~ Aura Sphere
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Dark Pulse
~ Psychic

the average blissey focuses more on defense than special defense nowadays, as such this Lucario is able to 2HKO most Bliss with Aura Sphere, which is always a good thing if you ask me. still those blissey that choose not to skimp on the special defense will require some luck.

You have a pretty low chance of a 2HKO factoring in leftovers recovery.

 

[133tSneasel]

What do you think the best Fighting move is for Lucario?, I always thought Drain Punch was good for healing, after one Swords Dance. I think he might be good after a Baton Pass from Ninjask or something with speed.

 

[Lupo Aro]

What do you think the best Fighting move is for Lucario?, I always thought Drain Punch was good for healing, after one Swords Dance. I think he might be good after a Baton Pass from Ninjask or something with speed.

1. Close Combat, Reversal, depends on the set.

2. EVERY. SINGLE. SWEEPER.

 

[Lord Alchemy]

I seem to be liking the following set up myself:

Lucario@Choice Scarf
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Adament

-Crunch
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

I always thought his speed was in a shady area since he outspeeds a number of things, but many things that can give Lucario problems outspeed it normally. Choice Scarf makes him pretty damn fast. I might look through the EV spread a little more to find a sweet spot for his speed with the Choice Scarf to see if I can dump some EVs into Defense to assist his great switch in power.

Generic physical sweeper moveset other then that. Stab Close Combat is crazy, Crunch to hit Ghosts/Psychics, and Stonequake coverage to round things out.

 

[Glen ^^]

I'm using the special Choice Scarfer
Aura Sphere
Psychic
Dragon Pulse
Flash Cannon

252 speed, 252 attack

Flash Cannon over Dark Pulse so I have strong STABed attack that'll hit fliers for neutral. The only ghost worth hitting super-effective's already pwned by Psychic (Gengar).

 

[Edux]

I seem to be liking the following set up myself:

Lucario@Choice Scarf
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Adament

-Crunch
-Close Combat
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

I always thought his speed was in a shady area since he outspeeds a number of things, but many things that can give Lucario problems outspeed it normally. Choice Scarf makes him pretty damn fast. I might look through the EV spread a little more to find a sweet spot for his speed with the Choice Scarf to see if I can dump some EVs into Defense to assist his great switch in power.

Generic physical sweeper moveset other then that. Stab Close Combat is crazy, Crunch to hit Ghosts/Psychics, and Stonequake coverage to round things out.

Lucario has better things to do than trying to be a CSHera :P

 

[Lunar]

The best aspect of Lucario is his sheer unpredictability. If you check his movepool, he has moves that can land a SE hit against 16 of the 17 types in the game (no grass or electric attacks to hit Water, also, his only choice for Ground is Water Pulse, so that's not his best type either). That means very few Pokemon are truly safe against him.

I'm wondering if he's a good candidate for the Expert Belt. I just haven't found the right combination of moves to yield the maximum benefits from it. The Physical side seems to be the general way to go, however.

 

[Archmaster Mesa]

You have a pretty low chance of a 2HKO factoring in leftovers recovery.

i did the calcs. granted on netbattle so there is room for error, but most people are heavy on defense and light on special def, when i came up with that set i checked around the RMT's for blissey i looked at the first 10 i saw.

of those 10 only one was 3HKO'd(counting lefties) 100% of the time. 2 of them got hit in the 49-58% spectrum meaning they'd usually get 2HKO'd and the rest were all 53%+. granted my calc method is old and leaves some room for error and i only used 10 test subjects, still i did factor in lefties on all occasions.

 

[Drack]

What about special Lucario?

Lucario @ Choice Scarf or Life Orb
+Spatk(scarf) or +speed (orb), -Attack
-Aura Sphere
-Hidden Power [Ice]
-Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse

Ice to give dragons a nasty surprise, especially with scarf because they expect to outspeed him. Ice seems to complement fighting very well as far as types go, but at 70 power it's only barely more powerful SE than STAB Aura Sphere.

Life orb is if you want to use him late game, once your opponent can't outspeed you. Dragon pulse is more important to the life orb set - NOTHING resists both fighting and dragon.

 

[Suikama]

What about special Lucario?

Lucario @ Choice Scarf or Life Orb
+Spatk(scarf) or +speed (orb), -Attack
-Aura Sphere
-Hidden Power [Ice]
-Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse

Ice to give dragons a nasty surprise, especially with scarf because they expect to outspeed him. Ice seems to complement fighting very well as far as types go, but at 70 power it's only barely more powerful SE than STAB Aura Sphere.

Life orb is if you want to use him late game, once your opponent can't outspeed you. Dragon pulse is more important to the life orb set - NOTHING resists both fighting and dragon.

Well, technically Shedinja does.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

What about special Lucario?

Lucario @ Choice Scarf or Life Orb
+Spatk(scarf) or +speed (orb), -Attack
-Aura Sphere
-Hidden Power [Ice]
-Dragon Pulse
-Dark Pulse

Ice to give dragons a nasty surprise, especially with scarf because they expect to outspeed him. Ice seems to complement fighting very well as far as types go, but at 70 power it's only barely more powerful SE than STAB Aura Sphere.

Life orb is if you want to use him late game, once your opponent can't outspeed you. Dragon pulse is more important to the life orb set - NOTHING resists both fighting and dragon.

Wouldn't Choice Specs be a good item for him?

 

[McGrrr]

I want to use Lucario for the following reasons:

1. x4 resist on crunch, megahorn and rock, resists ice and immune to sandstream
2. swords dance + extremespeed

The moveset I am most likely to run is:

Adamant @leftovers
Close combat
Extremespeed
Crunch/shadow claw/stone edge
Swords dance

With ~243 (Gyarados will rarely exceed 242) or ~254 speed (modest Heatran is 253), maxed attack and the rest of the EVs in defense/HP.

A cool alternative (if you can get rid of spikes/stealth rock) is:

Jolly @focus sash
Reversal
Crunch
Extremespeed
Swords dance

If you can dance on a switch, you can dance again, allowing focus sash to save you. After 2 dances (and 1 intimidate), it takes a bulky Gyarados to survive minimum damage reversal.

 

[X-Act]

Lucario seems to combo nicely with Gengar and Azelf. Most weaknesses of Lucario are covered by Gengar and Azelf, and most weaknesses of Gengar and Azelf are covered by Lucario.

 

[X-Act]

the average blissey focuses more on defense than special defense nowadays, as such this Lucario is able to 2HKO most Bliss with Aura Sphere, which is always a good thing if you ask me. still those blissey that choose not to skimp on the special defense will require some luck.

Max SpAtk Lucario with CG 2HKOes max HP, min SpDef Blissey 34.375% of the time.

 

[Sir Spanky]

But that again poses the problem of why would Blissey switch into a Fighting Pokemon? Even if it was clear it was a CS Lucario, I would still be afraid of a random Close Combat or something, that does a good 70% to Blissey with no EV's.

 

[Cooper]

No one seems to recognize the potential of a mixed sweeping Lucario.

Lucario@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Spd/ 128 Sp. Atk/ 128 Atk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -Sp. Def)
-Close Combat
-Aura Sphere
-Crunch
-Psychic

A max speed, +Spd nature, and Choice Scarf will make him a lot faster than many pokemon, including EndReving Heracross. He hits a lot of different types, in this metagame most notably Fighting, Dark, Rock, Steel, and Psychic. Although he doesn't have answers for Flying and Dragon, he can always just switch out. This is the Lucario I'll be using, and I think he'll be an effective lead.

 

[Glen ^^]

I was thinking about a "life saver" Lucario. Jolly, max speed and attack, holding Focus Sash with Counter, Reversal, Swords Dance, and a filler. To take out a Salamence who Dragon Danced twice, or Metagross after a Agility... Focus Sash will leave him alive, then Counter for an OHKO. After this, just Reversal with 306 speed which is pretty good.

I wonder if somebody could predict this and swich out their powered Pokemon to bring a special sweeper.

 

[Wolfheart]

you forgot Choice Specs Lucario, which happens to be my favorite.

Lucario @ Choice Specs *Neo*
Modest : 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
~ Aura Sphere
~ Dragon Pulse
~ Dark Pulse
~ Psychic

the average blissey focuses more on defense than special defense nowadays, as such this Lucario is able to 2HKO most Bliss with Aura Sphere, which is always a good thing if you ask me. still those blissey that choose not to skimp on the special defense will require some luck.

HP [Ice]>Psychic

 

[Edux]

I was thinking about a "life saver" Lucario. Jolly, max speed and attack, holding Focus Sash with Counter, Reversal, Swords Dance, and a filler. To take out a Salamence who Dragon Danced twice, or Metagross after a Agility... Focus Sash will leave him alive, then Counter for an OHKO. After this, just Reversal with 306 speed which is pretty good.

I wonder if somebody could predict this and swich out their powered Pokemon to bring a special sweeper.

That's a cool and unpredictable moveset and isn't that overspecialized, I like it, tooo bad Stealth Rock could reduces it's effectivenes -_-

 

[evolutia]

I really don't like Dragon Pulse used on a special Lucario set because it only hit's Dragons super-effectively. ( It may not even OHKO ) With Hidden Power Ice, you can OHKO the Dragon's and hit grounds/flying type's super effectively as well. I'd rather hit something super effectively than netural.

At least when using Psychic it can hit fighting types super effectively that may switch into Lucario.