NU Stats (December 2011)

[ChaoticaMortis]

Golem's not too bad. Sturdy's buff was a god-send to it this gen, norm gem Explosion still hurts like hell, and its Atk and Def are above average. Don't forget STAB EdgeQuake. I used him to some success on some of my earlier NU teams.

Glad Scarf Braviary is staying. Think I'll start using him more as the good steels are gone. Scarf Sawk is also still stuck down here, with fewer counters than it had last round. Shit's gonna be fun ;)

Lanturn and Magneton were two of my favorites down here. I can take losing Mag because Klinklang is leaving too, but Lanturn? What the fuck am I supposed to use in its place? O_o

Edit: Just saw your post tennis, sorry

 

[Endorfins]

Theres always eviolite Chinchou...

 

[Sabinfrost]

This begs tons of discussion, Dugtrio going from NU to OU is crazy, especially given it was only UU last gen among less competition. It wasn't even in the NU top 10 for usage.

 

[Molk]

i'll admit, im the reason smeargle is now RU ;_;

anyways, im glad that the birds are staying, time for some swellow Ab00s in a tier with one rock type :3

btw offensive murkrow is cool

 

[waterwarrior]

This begs tons of discussion, Dugtrio going from NU to OU is crazy, especially given it was only UU last gen among less competition. It wasn't even in the NU top 10 for usage.

No it doesn't. Perma-Rain and perma-Sun didn't exist last gen. No one needed Dugtrio to win weather wars last gen. That's all there is to it. Also, what do you mean less competition? Unless you're talking about Wobb and Wynaut, nothing else does Duggy's job, and the blue blobs don't even do it the same way.

i'll admit, im the reason smeargle is now RU ;_;

1. I hate you (lol jk)
2. And Klinklang >.<

 

[Sabinfrost]

i'll admit, im the reason smeargle is now RU ;_;

anyways, im glad that the birds are staying, time for some swellow Ab00s in a tier with one rock type :3

btw offensive murkrow is cool

Eviolite Lairon has one of the highest defense stats in the tier lol, he can tank Swellow for days. Problem is he's 4x weak to Superpower making Braviary all the more viable.

No it doesn't. Perma-Rain and perma-Sun didn't exist last gen. No one needed Dugtrio to win weather wars last gen. That's all there is to it.

True, it takes out Ninetales quite well, and deals with Tyranitar and the ubiquitous Heatran once his balloon has been popped. It certainly had an easier time killing healthy opponents last gen though, this Gen has seen a ton of incredibly tough threats enter the OU metagame.

 

[destinyunknown]

Swellow is walled by pretty much any bulky rock/steel type imo

 

[Molk]

Eviolite Lairon has one of the highest defense stats in the tier lol, he can tank Swellow for days. Problem is he's 4x weak to Superpower making Braviary all the more viable.




True, it takes out Ninetales quite well, and deals with Tyranitar and the ubiquitous Heatran once his balloon has been popped. It certainly had an easier time killing healthy opponents last gen though, this Gen has seen a ton of incredibly tough threats enter the OU metagame.

those weakesses, alog with the inability to hold lefties, and poor speed even compared to its own evolution (while missing important moves) makes lairon an inferior option imo, with those weaknesses its just to easy to take down, ive faced them before, they just set up SR and die, head smash misses too much for a 90 base attack :/

and theres also probopass, who has volt switch, and better special defense to take water attacks with :D. probopass is interesting i have to say, lairon is kinda outclassed by golem overall cause of those 4x weaknesses to common types (not saying golem doesnt have the same issue)

 

[canno]

Eviolite Lairon has one of the highest defense stats in the tier lol, he can tank Swellow for days. Problem is he's 4x weak to Superpower making Braviary all the more viable.

Eviolite Lairon is very underwhelming, mainly because of his typing, making him 4x weak to Ground and Fighting, two types that are very commonly physical. They completely wreck him. Add in horrible base 40 Speed and a bad Special Defense, not to mention lack of Leftovers, and you have one meh pokemon. Base 90 Atk is also not doing much. You're much better off using Regirock as a counter/check IMO.

Speaking of Regirock (and staying on topic), I fully expect his and his other Rock-type brethrens usage to shoot up to counter Swellow.

EDIT: I'm also surprised at Sawk's usage. I expected it to be at least slightly higher.

 

[BattleStar]

I am also thinking that regiorock is going to jump a couple ranks in usage. Swellow is arguably the strongest sweeper here.

I am however actually looking forward to victorybel as it can counter regirock easily with a choice leaf storm.

 

[Sabinfrost]

Eviolite Lairon is very underwhelming, mainly because of his typing, making him 4x weak to Ground and Fighting, two types that are very commonly physical. They completely wreck him. Add in horrible base 40 Speed and a bad Special Defense, not to mention lack of Leftovers, and you have one meh pokemon. Base 90 Atk is also not doing much. You're much better off using Regirock as a counter/check IMO.

Speaking of Regirock (and staying on topic), I fully expect his and his other Rock-type brethrens usage to shoot up to counter Swellow.

EDIT: I'm also surprised at Sawk's usage. I expected it to be at least slightly higher.

Lairon is somewhat o.k if used right, I had him in my team for a while, I was actually running an offensive eviolite variant as 90 attack is usable with a no-recoil high power move like head smash. He has access to super-power, earthquake and a bunch of other moves as well, he has a lot of resistances and his SpD is better than Aggron due to Eviolite. Even without defensive investment he takes non-supereffective physical hits really well. At the end of the day he has less weaknesses and more resistances than Rhydon, sure he's 4x weak to fighting instead of 2x, but he's not 4x weak to water.

 

[Avira]

Lairon is somewhat o.k if used right, I had him in my team for a while, I was actually running an offensive eviolite variant as 90 attack is usable with a no-recoil high power move like head smash. He has access to super-power, earthquake and a bunch of other moves as well, he has a lot of resistances and his SpD is better than Aggron due to Eviolite. Even without defensive investment he takes non-supereffective physical hits really well. At the end of the day he has less weaknesses and more resistances than Rhydon, sure he's 4x weak to fighting instead of 2x, but he's not 4x weak to water.

Rhydon is better than Lairon because of the much higher 130 base attack that makes it more threatening than Lairon even after considering Head Smash (Stone Edge from Rhydon is stronger), with Rhydon also getting STAB on Earthquake, and if neither of them invest in their (Physical) defense or special defense stats, Rhydon is also bulkier on both ends of the spectrum. It doesn't matter that Rhydon is 4x weak to water because neither of these two should be taking water type attacks. What is a fact is that they both have very exploitable weaknesses, and neither of them have great typing. Also, Rhydon is now RU, so any comparison between the two is a moot point. Lairon just isn't a top tier Pokemon in NU.

 

[Sabinfrost]

Rhydon is better than Lairon because of the much higher 130 base attack that makes it more threatening than Lairon even after considering Head Smash (Stone Edge from Rhydon is stronger), with Rhydon also getting STAB on Earthquake, and if neither of them invest in their (Physical) defense or special defense stats, Rhydon is also bulkier on both ends of the spectrum. It doesn't matter that Rhydon is 4x weak to water because neither of these two should be taking water type attacks. What is a fact is that they both have very exploitable weaknesses, and neither of them have great typing. Also, Rhydon is now RU, so any comparison between the two is a moot point. Lairon just isn't a top tier Pokemon in NU.

It's still a useful Pokemon, and with the likes of Klinklang gone there will be a lot of Swellow flying around which it stops dead. Rhydon is better in a lot of ways, but not all, Lairon has a ton of resistances Rhydon does not allowing it to take hits from the likes of DD Altaria. Even though Rhydon is RU now, it's still worth discussing him in relation to what will fill his shoes after the shifts so stop trying to pick a fight every time I make a post.

 

[shnen]

It's still a useful Pokemon, and with the likes of Klinklang gone there will be a lot of Swellow flying around which it stops dead. Rhydon is better in a lot of ways, but not all, Lairon has a ton of resistances Rhydon does not allowing it to take hits from the likes of DD Altaria. Even though Rhydon is RU now, it's still worth discussing him in relation to what will fill his shoes after the shifts so stop trying to pick a fight every time I make a post.

I'm pretty sure nearly all dd altarias run eq....

 

[Sabinfrost]

I'm pretty sure nearly all dd altarias run eq....

Can't EQ if you're locked into Outrage, and Altaria doesn't take head smash very well.

 

[Molk]

It's still a useful Pokemon, and with the likes of Klinklang gone there will be a lot of Swellow flying around which it stops dead. Rhydon is better in a lot of ways, but not all, Lairon has a ton of resistances Rhydon does not allowing it to take hits from the likes of DD Altaria. Even though Rhydon is RU now, it's still worth discussing him in relation to what will fill his shoes after the shifts so stop trying to pick a fight every time I make a post.

altaria's LO outrage vs max hp rhydon (25.60% - 30.43%)

at +1 (38.65% - 45.65%)

so if rhydon was able to handle to handle altaria perfectly fine, what utility did lairon have?

altaria's LO outrage vs max hp golem (41.21% - 48.63%)

at +1 golem still survives even EQ, so what utility does lairon actually have

 

[Sabinfrost]

altaria's LO outrage vs max hp rhydon (25.60% - 30.43%)

at +1 (38.65% - 45.65%)

so if rhydon was able to handle to handle altaria perfectly fine, what utility did lairon have?

altaria's LO outrage vs max hp golem (41.21% - 48.63%)

at +1 golem still survives even EQ, so what utility does lairon actually have

Lairon does take it better and takes an absolute laughable amount from Normal/Flying given he 4x resists them.

In a tier so short of steel types, I wouldn't discount one of the remaining ones, especially not one that has a massive 140 defense pre-eviolite, 9 resistances and an immunity.

 

[Ice-eyes]

Lairon is actually fairly good, if only because the typing allows it to take on a slightly larger spectrum of mons; unlike, say, Regirock, you have access to Roar, allowing you to deal with a number of annoying mons like SubCM Mesprit.

However, all of this is metagame discussion and shouldn't be in the stats thread; sadly, the tiering shift basically renders any points of discussion in the actual stats irrelevant.

 

[religiousjedi]

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Lead usage

NU

Total battles: 14052
 Total teams: 28104
 Total pokemon: 28104
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon         | Usage  | Percent | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | 191  | Onix            | 14     |  0.050% |
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- +

1337 (aka 1200) stats

NU

Gotta lower my standards. Using 1200 instead.
 Total battles: 14063
 Total teams: 2886
 Total pokemon: 17316
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- + 
 | Rank | Pokemon         | Usage  | Percent | RealUse| RealPct | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
 | 71   | Pikachu         | 43     |  1.490% | 33     |  1.349% | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +

I wonder if I was the only one responsible for the Onix leads...Oh yeah: Pwnchu rocks!

 

[tennisace]

I said I would close this thread if people didn't stop posting off topic (the topic being now outdated usage stats. Take it to the metagame thread.