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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win
- Thread starter Ampharos
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I would like anyone with Parchment to consider sending me some next night. Thanks!
I would like to know how you know of so many items!
If I asked for only one item, you may be able to know which one I wanted!
You act like you're alone.
Unclesam, I never said I knew you weren't agressive, nor that it is a bad thing (necessary I would debate), but I was simply saying more aggressive and active than usual in a time where you've said you will become less active and not have time (or simply quit) Smogon mafia. Not saying the unexpected came up in your favor, not saying I have any idea of your circumstances that led your to join, just noting that I find it odd you said you'd be off of mafia and then come more into it than ever before. The only other real evidence against you is that you have suspected seemingly every player in the game without voting or taking an extremely harsh stance against anyone, which to me seems like you're just throwing stuff until something sticks. The tl;dr posts help that thought too, although giving negative reads on anyone is better than people giving positive opinions on some. I also commend you for wanting people not to just post saying they're inactive and sorry for the inactivity, though the thread size is quite daunting already to anyone playing catchup.
LS, if you are the announcer, I feel you made a mistake, for reasons already stated, since that's one less person that's the inspect if you are indeed village (which is not proven and I believe to be debatable based on the fact that you timed it under pressure yet admitted you had made a mistake in not doing so earlier.)
Askaninjask, if you're wanting everyone to make a substantial post you might as well sub MB now. The game'll be better as a whole if he is subbed (see: Roots, where he acted like an idiot and was nearly lynched d1). If people are desperate for a day 1 lynch, he and Crux are prime targets. Zorbees is noting that well, except here he's NOT responding to his name, or responding at all. Could be good, but overall looks terrible. I find it interesting as well that he has not been subbed yet more active people have...
Despite what others say, I feel that lynching someone based solely on inactivity and unhelpfullness is possible on day 1, though the chance of a mislynch is high and I will admit that it is unlikely we can get much information from any sort of lynch. Crux in particular is better over MB because people expect him to be posting and contributing, yet MB no one has high expectations of.
My suspicion, however, is Paperblade, as I feel he's overreacting to some of the claims that had been made against him and then completely dropping off the radar as soon as he stopped posting. MB is too inactive to truly read, though I would not deny a lynch on him would be good, and Crux it would not surprise me if he was doing something else instead like LoL, or if he simply did not care enough to post. Unclesam is an option, although I don't trust what he says and he is screaming mafia to me, I won't deny the fact that he is contributing, and if he truly is a villager, he has given a goldmine of opinions.
Therefore, @@Lynch Paperblade@@. Talk. Discuss. Do something.
It's traditional. Claiming doublevoter is a MUST because it changes the way town has to play significantly.
I don't know what to tell you guys. It's just one of those laws of play, you're a double voter, you claim in your first post. You're a jester you claim first post. You're a miller you claim first post. You get a SINGLE guilty as a cop, you instantly claim it.
These are all things that everyone should be familiar with when you play mafia often.
I don't know what to tell you guys. It's just one of those laws of play, you're a double voter, you claim in your first post. You're a jester you claim first post. You're a miller you claim first post. You get a SINGLE guilty as a cop, you instantly claim it.
These are all things that everyone should be familiar with when you play mafia often.
For anyone wondering where the fuck i've been, just got home and read the thread.
Figure I might as well post, but before that:
As of right now, The only person that I really have a feeling is clean is Coronis, since he owned up to not knowing jack shit, which shows that at least he's honest.
Since people are doing a good job discussing others, I figure i might as well talk about someone who is a bit more utr.
Until then:
@@Vote: Quagsires@@
Also do i have to change my previous vote every time i make a new one for the cycle?
Figure I might as well post, but before that:
Hey everyone who hasn't posted yet, my advice: don't post like this. Rediamond this is horribly vague and doesn't give us anything to work with. If you feel like you aren't paying as much attention as you should, then sub out.
As of right now, The only person that I really have a feeling is clean is Coronis, since he owned up to not knowing jack shit, which shows that at least he's honest.
Since people are doing a good job discussing others, I figure i might as well talk about someone who is a bit more utr.
First off, he only posted when he was prodded to (Quagsires: Oh Quagsires, Quagsires, where art thou Quagsires?) Then he says something that I can only describe as boggling to me. If you can explain why the hell you think that promoting discussion is a bad thing by having everyone post their thoughts, then please explain.
Until then:
@@Vote: Quagsires@@
Also do i have to change my previous vote every time i make a new one for the cycle?
@@No Lynch@@
i've made the reasons for this obvious in my last post
i've made the reasons for this obvious in my last post
zorbees are you
kidding me
v_v
e: i'm going to sleep now
if any of you bandwagon this i swear to god
kidding me
v_v
e: i'm going to sleep now
if any of you bandwagon this i swear to god
I would like to say that any double, triple, other otherwise voter should not claim immediately.
Millers should obviously claim immediately, but I don't know how you could convince a Jester to claim.
Millers should obviously claim immediately, but I don't know how you could convince a Jester to claim.
So I was writing up this post, got distracted, and then noticed it like 2 hours later. Go me.
Thank you LS for totally ignoring everyone but Sam. And by that I mean what the actual fuck. Seriously?
I'm not sure if Leethoof claiming persuaded means anything other than it being somewhat odd that he waited 'til his third or so post to claim so (which is definitely suspect). He could be faking it, and even if he's not, a day 1 persuade doesn't mean much. No one is going to bandwagon on a persuade target short of typical things (guilty or very scummy) in which case a persuade doesn't really do anything anyway.
Brammi: Mafiascum is the only mafia community I've seen where day phases last for weeks. In most of the rest, day phases are either a few days long or last until majority (like here), which causes games to be faster paced as a result. As a result, the expected frequency of posting is higher. I understand this is probably a difference in culture, but if I thought this game was going to last until July, I probably wouldn't have signed up. However (not directed at you), not all of us can afford to be here all the time and need to sleep as well as other obligations (school/work are obvious ones).
I think aska's desire to end Day 1 after a mere 24 hours of discussion is... intriguing. I can see where he's coming from, but I have to disagree.
I'm still not sure what to think of US. I have a bad first impression of him but he hasn't done anything recently that really sets me off. Not sure what to make of that.
People seem to dislike billy for acting differently than he has in previous NOCs and for voting US immediately after saying that he's probably town, and I'm not entirely sure what to think of that. Typically, I would think mafia more careful with their thoughts than something that obvious.
wrt claiming and stuff
Millers don't necessarily know they're millers, but if they do they should probably say so
I don't see a reason for a mayor to vote, especially since there is allegedly a persuader in this game
Jester aka fool is a role that wins by being lynched. I have always seen it as a third party that ONLY wins if it's lynched, in which case I don't see why one would claim as that more or less guarantees their loss?
I don't think masons should out quite yet if they exist. Twins, maybe, but a mason will probably just get hooked into oblivion.
Thank you LS for totally ignoring everyone but Sam. And by that I mean what the actual fuck. Seriously?
I'm not sure if Leethoof claiming persuaded means anything other than it being somewhat odd that he waited 'til his third or so post to claim so (which is definitely suspect). He could be faking it, and even if he's not, a day 1 persuade doesn't mean much. No one is going to bandwagon on a persuade target short of typical things (guilty or very scummy) in which case a persuade doesn't really do anything anyway.
Brammi: Mafiascum is the only mafia community I've seen where day phases last for weeks. In most of the rest, day phases are either a few days long or last until majority (like here), which causes games to be faster paced as a result. As a result, the expected frequency of posting is higher. I understand this is probably a difference in culture, but if I thought this game was going to last until July, I probably wouldn't have signed up. However (not directed at you), not all of us can afford to be here all the time and need to sleep as well as other obligations (school/work are obvious ones).
I think aska's desire to end Day 1 after a mere 24 hours of discussion is... intriguing. I can see where he's coming from, but I have to disagree.
I'm still not sure what to think of US. I have a bad first impression of him but he hasn't done anything recently that really sets me off. Not sure what to make of that.
People seem to dislike billy for acting differently than he has in previous NOCs and for voting US immediately after saying that he's probably town, and I'm not entirely sure what to think of that. Typically, I would think mafia more careful with their thoughts than something that obvious.
wrt claiming and stuff
Millers don't necessarily know they're millers, but if they do they should probably say so
I don't see a reason for a mayor to vote, especially since there is allegedly a persuader in this game
Jester aka fool is a role that wins by being lynched. I have always seen it as a third party that ONLY wins if it's lynched, in which case I don't see why one would claim as that more or less guarantees their loss?
I don't think masons should out quite yet if they exist. Twins, maybe, but a mason will probably just get hooked into oblivion.
Ok I find one user very suspicious at the moment: Quagsires.
-the truth is, I shouldn't be being this active in mafia. This is why I retired from mafia: once I start a game, I see it through. I didn't ever plan on signing up for another game, but I made a troll post in the signups thread that Walrein called totally, and I wasn't about to back down from a promise after Walrein went to such lengths. I won't be even making joke posts about signing up in the future.
-As I said, once I start a game, I finish it. I swore I was gonna be relatively inactive this game, but obviously that didn't happen. I recognize this is an addiction and that is, again, the major reason why I don't plan on signing up for mafia anymore.
Now then, I really can't see how me essentially accusing everyone whenever they make any sort of a possible scum tell is suspicious. If they start to show more suspicious signs when I push, I push harder. If they don't, I move on. I really don't understand what you are getting at here.
And frankly you sound kind of...upset that I am being so active, like you wish I were inactive. And as has already been pointed out, that would hardly help the village would it?
I would vote for you, but I think that another vote on Metal Bagon will help serve the discussion more at this time in order to force him to post something. Consider this a warning post to explain yourself.
@@Vote Metal Bagon@@
You're right, you really have no idea what my schedule is irl and you have no clue what my motivations for retiring from mafia OR signing up for this game were. So allow me to enlighten you:Quagsires said:
-the truth is, I shouldn't be being this active in mafia. This is why I retired from mafia: once I start a game, I see it through. I didn't ever plan on signing up for another game, but I made a troll post in the signups thread that Walrein called totally, and I wasn't about to back down from a promise after Walrein went to such lengths. I won't be even making joke posts about signing up in the future.
-As I said, once I start a game, I finish it. I swore I was gonna be relatively inactive this game, but obviously that didn't happen. I recognize this is an addiction and that is, again, the major reason why I don't plan on signing up for mafia anymore.
Now then, I really can't see how me essentially accusing everyone whenever they make any sort of a possible scum tell is suspicious. If they start to show more suspicious signs when I push, I push harder. If they don't, I move on. I really don't understand what you are getting at here.
And frankly you sound kind of...upset that I am being so active, like you wish I were inactive. And as has already been pointed out, that would hardly help the village would it?
I would vote for you, but I think that another vote on Metal Bagon will help serve the discussion more at this time in order to force him to post something. Consider this a warning post to explain yourself.
@@Vote Metal Bagon@@
heartbreaking
Why shouldn't they. It is severely harmful for the town to not know that. People normally get instalynched if it turns out they had a doublevote and they didn't claim. And if that happened here I would definitely be advocating the lynch.
Also Jesters should claim because a claimed Jester should ALWAYS be lynched for the simple fact that they will deliberately do as much damage as possible to the town so as to get lynched.
Unvote, Vote: Wick
Wick, I have already given the reasoning behind NEVER no lynching. It is ALWAYS the wrong course of action. And while I don't agree with it, it is sometimes ok in a Mylo, but only if the conditions are just right.
It is severely scummy to advocate a no lynch as it is actually detrimental to the town to no lynch.
Leethoof's #143:
Nope, he's not cleaned in the slightest. As you say, persuader is likely a mafia role. And, as you say, using it on a townie will probably clean them. Which is why *smart* scum would never use it on a townie D1, mostly because it might clean them and it's pointless otherwise. The only reason for using it is to clean a scumbuddy, then. Of course, this may not be *smart* scum and they may have just cleaned someone, who knows, but this is definitely not a towntell.
Of course, as others have noted, you might be lying as well.
Brammi's #149:
Unfortunately, this is Smogon NOC. Most people are probably not familiar with the need to claim mayor right off the bat, and, in fact, I'm not familiar with this either. As long as the mayor is not an idiot, we shouldn't need to make him pubclaim (and proceed to get him killed via NK).
Also, there are enough inexperienced hispters here that would legit hammer on accident. So, yeah, we shouldn't take too many risks / assumptions here.
Sam's #156:
Just a general note, but you're making no distinction between bad points that result from scum intent and bad points that result from town intent, calling them "really bad" either way. I think Brammi is just sharing with us how NOC games he plays in usually work.
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Willing to let go of Scum!Sam in favor of other stuff for the time being. While I've already stated why his rationale behind doing what he's doing up to now may be scummy, he's also acting pretty character (by posting walls of text on most opinions that don't fit his own, concluding that they are scum for voicing them, etc.), which would normally be overdefensive ergo scummy but might just be ~Sam Meta~. On the other hand, you have people like Ditto, which, as was explained in billy's #173, HAVE posted and HAVE shown signs of keeping up with the discussion but did NOT contribute anything of worth. :layout talk: is one of the best ways of showing contribution without showing any contribution at all, and I now think that Ditto was using this to full effect.
@@Vote: Ditto@@[/b
I've accused zorbees of keeping his hands cleaned before and he's recovered nicely. Currently, the way in which Ditto is lurking is five times worse.
Nope, he's not cleaned in the slightest. As you say, persuader is likely a mafia role. And, as you say, using it on a townie will probably clean them. Which is why *smart* scum would never use it on a townie D1, mostly because it might clean them and it's pointless otherwise. The only reason for using it is to clean a scumbuddy, then. Of course, this may not be *smart* scum and they may have just cleaned someone, who knows, but this is definitely not a towntell.
Of course, as others have noted, you might be lying as well.
So let me explain what Yeti was calling you out for earlier: more words =/= more contribution. Contributing to the village as much as possible, while making your opinions as easy to parse as you can, is what makes a contributing townie. You're contributing, but you need to let down on the :words: because they're making your actual opinions hard to parse. Yeti is saying that this might be a way of hiding your true opinions.
Brammi's #149:
Unfortunately, this is Smogon NOC. Most people are probably not familiar with the need to claim mayor right off the bat, and, in fact, I'm not familiar with this either. As long as the mayor is not an idiot, we shouldn't need to make him pubclaim (and proceed to get him killed via NK).
Also, there are enough inexperienced hispters here that would legit hammer on accident. So, yeah, we shouldn't take too many risks / assumptions here.
Sam's #156:
Just a general note, but you're making no distinction between bad points that result from scum intent and bad points that result from town intent, calling them "really bad" either way. I think Brammi is just sharing with us how NOC games he plays in usually work.
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Willing to let go of Scum!Sam in favor of other stuff for the time being. While I've already stated why his rationale behind doing what he's doing up to now may be scummy, he's also acting pretty character (by posting walls of text on most opinions that don't fit his own, concluding that they are scum for voicing them, etc.), which would normally be overdefensive ergo scummy but might just be ~Sam Meta~. On the other hand, you have people like Ditto, which, as was explained in billy's #173, HAVE posted and HAVE shown signs of keeping up with the discussion but did NOT contribute anything of worth. :layout talk: is one of the best ways of showing contribution without showing any contribution at all, and I now think that Ditto was using this to full effect.
@@Vote: Ditto@@[/b
I've accused zorbees of keeping his hands cleaned before and he's recovered nicely. Currently, the way in which Ditto is lurking is five times worse.
I also love how people are still reluctant to vote. The townie's vote is their best asset and worst enemy. By avoiding using it, you're being cautious (this is scummy) and are hindering the town at the same time.
@@Vote Askaninjask@@
Oh, silly me! I forgot to tell you to explain your votes while voting.
Of course, you're better than that. And I'm sure you were waiting for the question. So, why aska?
Of course, you're better than that. And I'm sure you were waiting for the question. So, why aska?
I hope you realize that this kind of horrible reply only enforces my vote.
Sup, Unclesam sucks for lynching for lynching me because this my first game I'm on the good side (mafia/neutral/multifaction for the rest of the time).
Anyway, I don't see any clear fire mafia target atm so I'll just give some reads on players.
Billymills - Most of his posts are just one-liners and don't help much, however, this post sums up my thoughts on quite a few players. He seems pro-village as he is sparking discussion and providing good reads, however my thoughts on him may change.
Blue Tornado - A couple of his posts are pretty defensive. I think he is a good suspect atm but i don't want to lead the village to mis-lynch as i may be wrong.
Snike - Good reads, however this by no means is to say he is not mafia.
Quagsires - He seems hellbent on getting me subbed out, so I'm unable to give a non-biased read on him.
Wickdaggler - Pushing for no-lynch isn't a sign of villager. In fact, it would be more beneficial to the mafia if a no lynch would take place. I think he may be mafia but I'm not sure of anything this early. I think Blue Tornado and him are the two main suspects (and maybe Ditto, but not really sure of him atm).
Anyway, I'm not going to cast a lynch vote atm; while I am tempted o vote for quagsires, but that wouldn't help at all now, would it?
Also, pretty much every other active player who I didn't provide an opinion on was covered in Billymils post and as mentioned earlier I think his reads are pretty good atm.
PS: Quagsires for and throw yourself off a medieval cliff.
PSS: First day back at school, gimme a break.
Anyway, I don't see any clear fire mafia target atm so I'll just give some reads on players.
Billymills - Most of his posts are just one-liners and don't help much, however, this post sums up my thoughts on quite a few players. He seems pro-village as he is sparking discussion and providing good reads, however my thoughts on him may change.
Blue Tornado - A couple of his posts are pretty defensive. I think he is a good suspect atm but i don't want to lead the village to mis-lynch as i may be wrong.
Snike - Good reads, however this by no means is to say he is not mafia.
Quagsires - He seems hellbent on getting me subbed out, so I'm unable to give a non-biased read on him.
Wickdaggler - Pushing for no-lynch isn't a sign of villager. In fact, it would be more beneficial to the mafia if a no lynch would take place. I think he may be mafia but I'm not sure of anything this early. I think Blue Tornado and him are the two main suspects (and maybe Ditto, but not really sure of him atm).
Anyway, I'm not going to cast a lynch vote atm; while I am tempted o vote for quagsires, but that wouldn't help at all now, would it?
Also, pretty much every other active player who I didn't provide an opinion on was covered in Billymils post and as mentioned earlier I think his reads are pretty good atm.
PS: Quagsires for and throw yourself off a medieval cliff.
PSS: First day back at school, gimme a break.
You claim to agree with billy's reads but your post clearly contradicts that. Also, reads like "he's good :and i'm not going to explain why: but HE MAY STILL BE SCUM" is worse than not reading at all.
Not wanting to lead town to a mislynch is avoiding responsibility and can be seen as scummy.
And Ditto, you can stop with the AtE/WIFOM hybrid. It's not going to change anything.
Not wanting to lead town to a mislynch is avoiding responsibility and can be seen as scummy.
And Ditto, you can stop with the AtE/WIFOM hybrid. It's not going to change anything.