Keldeo [available from June 23rd to August 31st]

[Honus]

The thing is, Keldeo is undoubtedly going to have a gigantic impact on the metagame. All of its primary checks are offensive, bar Jellicent who eats a super effective Hidden Power. Keldeo can afford to run something that's not HP Ice because Hydro Pump is just INSANELY powerful. I'm talking about a 2HKO on offensive Dragonite, through Multiscale. I'll let the implications of that sink in. Personally, the only reliable way to beat this thing is through revenge killing it with powerful physical attackers, ala Scarf Terrakion and possibly things like Raikou in the rain if its not a CM variant.

edit: btw, this is the list of reliable counters for Keldeo:

Slowbro
Slowking
Jellicent
Celebi
Starmie
Latios
Latias
Toxicroak
Amoongus (Only good in DW)
Tornadus
Venusaur
Tangrowth
Ditto (DW)

The pokemon above are really the only things that can switch into Keldeo most of the time, since it's gonna be spamming Hydro Pump more often than not. Everything else on Katakiri's list is handily 2HKOed by specs Hydro Pump.

(btw this is coming from someone who's been playing DW OU for a bit now)

Specs Keldeo in rain is pretty underrated in what it can do; Hydro Pump did 60% to my 220 HP Celebi in Rain before, and I imagine it would do the same to most of the grass types on the list, as well as Slowbro and Starmie. Latias is easily the best counter there, though, given that it beats both of Keldeo's best sets in Specs and CM.

 

[Katakiri]

This is Specs/+1 Keldeo versus the current OU metagame, but only up until Keldeo has a guaranteed OHKO on a Pokemon with one of his moves, which is why Drought Ninetales is last on the list with 99.07 - 117.64% damage. With the exception of Weather Starters, all these calculations are done in Rain.

It's in order of least damage taken to the most damage taken. Only Hydro Pump & Secret Sword are taken into account because Keldeo needs 3 different Hidden Powers to cover his counters. If I added Hidden Powers the list would be all over the place.

HUGE List of Pokemon, Sets, & Damage Calcs

Jellicent (OU Utility Counter [Water Absorb])Hydro Pump0 - 0%(Secret Sword)0 - 0%

Jellicent (OU Choice Specs)Hydro Pump0 - 0%(Secret Sword)0 - 0%

Dragonite (OU Parashuffler [Multiscale])Hydro Pump22.53 - 26.42%(Secret Sword)15.28 - 17.87%

Dragonite (OU Tank (Rain) [Multiscale])Hydro Pump24.35 - 28.75%(Secret Sword)15.28 - 17.87%

Dragonite (OU Substitute + Dragon Dance [Multiscale])Hydro Pump28.49 - 33.67%(Secret Sword)15.28 - 17.87%

Dragonite (OU Bulky Dragon Dance [Multiscale])Hydro Pump31.08 - 36.52%(Secret Sword)15.28 - 17.87%

Dragonite (OU Tank [Multiscale])Hydro Pump31.16 - 36.62%(Secret Sword)15.32 - 17.92%

Parasect (OU SubSeed)(Secret Sword)35.18 - 41.35%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Dragonite (OU Choice Band [Multiscale])Hydro Pump35.5 - 41.71%(Secret Sword)17.45 - 20.41%

Dragonite (OU Offensive Dragon Dance [Multiscale])Hydro Pump37.15 - 43.65%(Secret Sword)18.26 - 21.36%

__________________________________2HKO Line______________________________________
Everything below this point can be 2HKOd, not factoring in Lefties. (Remember, it's only in Rain though.)


Toxicroak (OU Bulk Up)(Secret Sword)43.2 - 50.81%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Celebi (OU Specially Defensive)Hydro Pump43.81 - 51.48%(Secret Sword)28.21 - 33.16%

Toxicroak (OU SubPunch)(Secret Sword)43.75 - 51.63%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Dragonite (OU Parashuffler)Hydro Pump44.81 - 52.84%(Secret Sword)30.56 - 36.26%

Milotic (OU RestTalk [Marvel Scale])Hydro Pump44.92 - 53.04%(Secret Sword)36.04 - 42.63%

Amoonguss (OU Double Status)Hydro Pump47.68 - 56.25%(Secret Sword)33.33 - 39.35%

Vaporeon (OU Wish Support)(Secret Sword)48.16 - 57.01%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Slowking (OU Tank)Hydro Pump48.47 - 57.1%(Secret Sword)27.66 - 32.74%

Slowking (OU Defensive Nasty Plot)Hydro Pump48.47 - 57.1%(Secret Sword)27.66 - 32.74%

Dragonite (OU Tank (Rain))Hydro Pump48.96 - 57.51%(Secret Sword)30.56 - 36.26%

Milotic (OU Physically Defensive)Hydro Pump50.25 - 59.39%(Secret Sword)48.22 - 57.1%

Suicune (OU CroCune)Hydro Pump52.47 - 61.63%(Secret Sword)37.12 - 43.81%

Toxicroak (OU Swords Dance)(Secret Sword)52.27 - 61.68%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Toxicroak (OU Nasty Plot)(Secret Sword)52.27 - 61.68%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Latias (OU Calm Mind)Hydro Pump52.74 - 62.08%(Secret Sword)34.06 - 40.38%

Latias (OU Support)Hydro Pump52.74 - 62.08%(Secret Sword)33.79 - 40.1%

Latias (OU Physically Defensive Calm Mind)Hydro Pump52.74 - 62.08%(Secret Sword)24.45 - 28.84%

Latias (OU Dual Screens)Hydro Pump52.74 - 62.08%(Secret Sword)33.79 - 40.1%

Suicune (OU Substitute + Calm Mind)Hydro Pump52.72 - 62.12%(Secret Sword)50 - 58.91%

Vaporeon (OU Hydration Wall)Hydro Pump53.56 - 63.06%(Secret Sword)48.16 - 57.01%

Milotic (OU RestTalk)(Secret Sword)53.55 - 63.45%Hydro Pump44.92 - 53.04%

Vaporeon (OU Baton Pass)(Secret Sword)55.41 - 65.58%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Slowking (OU Trick Room)Hydro Pump56.09 - 66.24%(Secret Sword)34.51 - 40.86%

Tentacruel (OU Toxic Spikes)Hydro Pump56.31 - 66.48%(Secret Sword)29.67 - 35.16%

Tentacruel (OU SubToxic)Hydro Pump56.31 - 66.48%(Secret Sword)32.41 - 38.46%

Latias (OU Life Orb Tank)Hydro Pump56.63 - 66.66%(Secret Sword)36.57 - 43.36%

Roserade (OU Spikes)Hydro Pump56.79 - 66.97%(Secret Sword)47.22 - 55.55%

Jellicent (OU Utility Counter)Hydro Pump57.07 - 67.24%(Secret Sword)0 - 0%

Dragonite (OU Substitute + Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump57.25 - 67.61%(Secret Sword)30.56 - 36.26%

Ludicolo (OU SubSeed)(Secret Sword)57.96 - 68.68%Hydro Pump31.59 - 37.08%

Celebi (OU Defensive)Hydro Pump59.4 - 70.04%(Secret Sword)20.79 - 24.5%

Celebi (OU Calm Mind)Hydro Pump59.4 - 70.04%(Secret Sword)23.01 - 27.47%

Shaymin (OU Leech Seed)Hydro Pump59.4 - 70.04%(Secret Sword)56.43 - 66.33%

Celebi (OU Tinkerbell)Hydro Pump60.15 - 70.92%(Secret Sword)28.57 - 33.58%

Celebi (OU Nasty Plot Sweeper)Hydro Pump60.6 - 71.46%(Secret Sword)28.78 - 33.83%

Gyarados (OU RestTalk)Hydro Pump60.91 - 71.57%(Secret Sword)24.11 - 28.42%

Latios (OU Dual Screens)Hydro Pump60.71 - 71.7%(Secret Sword)37.36 - 44.23%

Gyarados (OU Bulky Support)Hydro Pump61.06 - 72.01%(Secret Sword)24.17 - 28.49%

Suicune (OU Offensive Calm Mind)Hydro Pump62.17 - 73.02%(Secret Sword)59.23 - 69.79%

Dragonite (OU Bulky Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump62.17 - 73.31%(Secret Sword)30.56 - 36.26%

Politoed (OU Defensive)Hydro Pump62.5 - 73.43%(Secret Sword)51.04 - 60.41%

Celebi (OU Navi (Non-Choice Attacker))Hydro Pump62.33 - 73.5%(Secret Sword)29.61 - 34.8%

Dragonite (OU Tank)Hydro Pump62.33 - 73.5%(Secret Sword)30.64 - 36.36%

Latias (OU Choice Specs)Hydro Pump63.57 - 74.83%(Secret Sword)41.05 - 48.67%

Gyarados (OU Bulky Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump64 - 75.46%(Secret Sword)36.8 - 43.46%

Vaporeon (OU Hydration Tank)(Secret Sword)63.84 - 75.56%Hydro Pump62.59 - 73.81%

Venusaur (OU SubSeed)Hydro Pump65.32 - 77.07%(Secret Sword)26.64 - 31.23%

Rotom-C (OU Support)(Secret Sword)66.11 - 77.96%Hydro Pump57.23 - 67.76%

Tentacruel (OU Offensive)Hydro Pump68.22 - 80.26%(Secret Sword)53.84 - 63.54%

Gyarados (OU Substitute + Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump69.56 - 82.02%(Secret Sword)40 - 47.24%

Celebi (OU Choice)Hydro Pump70.17 - 82.74%(Secret Sword)33.33 - 39.18%

Shaymin (OU Special Attacker)Hydro Pump70.17 - 82.74%(Secret Sword)66.66 - 78.36%

Dragonite (OU Choice Band)Hydro Pump71 - 83.72%(Secret Sword)34.91 - 41.42%

Dusclops (OU Defensive)Hydro Pump71.12 - 83.8%(Secret Sword)0 - 0%

Dusclops (OU RestTalk)Hydro Pump71.12 - 83.8%(Secret Sword)0 - 0%

Gyarados (OU Offensive Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump72.5 - 85.49%(Secret Sword)41.69 - 48.94%

Gyarados (OU Choice Scarf)Hydro Pump72.5 - 85.49%(Secret Sword)41.69 - 48.94%

Gyarados (OU Choice Band)Hydro Pump72.5 - 85.49%(Secret Sword)37.46 - 44.41%

Kingdra (OU ChestoRest Dragon Dance)(Secret Sword)72.47 - 85.62%Hydro Pump36.69 - 43.11%

Latios (OU Choice)Hydro Pump73.17 - 86.42%(Secret Sword)45.36 - 53.64%

Latios (OU Offensive)Hydro Pump73.17 - 86.42%(Secret Sword)45.36 - 53.64%

Latios (OU Calm Mind)Hydro Pump73.17 - 86.42%(Secret Sword)45.36 - 53.64%

Azumarill (OU Choice Band)Hydro Pump73.35 - 86.54%(Secret Sword)69.54 - 82.23%

Salamence (OU Defensive)Hydro Pump73.35 - 86.54%(Secret Sword)24.36 - 28.68%

Slowbro (OU Physical Tank)Hydro Pump73.35 - 86.54%(Secret Sword)19.28 - 22.84%

Slowbro (OU Choice Specs)Hydro Pump73.35 - 86.54%(Secret Sword)26.64 - 31.21%

Slowbro (OU Calm Mind)Hydro Pump73.35 - 86.54%(Secret Sword)19.28 - 22.84%

Gastrodon (OU Tank)(Secret Sword)73.47 - 86.61%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Gastrodon (OU Choice Specs)(Secret Sword)73.99 - 87.23%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Dragonite (OU Offensive Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump74.3 - 87.3%(Secret Sword)36.53 - 43.34%

Feraligatr (OU Swords Dance)Hydro Pump74.86 - 88.23%(Secret Sword)60.96 - 71.65%

Politoed (OU 3 Attacks)(Secret Sword)75 - 88.54%Hydro Pump62.5 - 73.43%

Kingdra (OU Choice Specs)(Secret Sword)75 - 88.6%Hydro Pump39.55 - 46.83%

Quagsire (OU Curse)Hydro Pump76.14 - 89.84%(Secret Sword)44.16 - 52.03%

Quagsire (OU Specially Defensive)Hydro Pump76.14 - 89.84%(Secret Sword)44.16 - 52.03%

Virizion (OU Dual Screens)(Secret Sword)76.94 - 90.41%Hydro Pump49.74 - 58.8%

Kingdra (OU Special Rain Dance)(Secret Sword)79 - 93.33%Hydro Pump41.66 - 49.33%

Venusaur (OU Special Growth)Hydro Pump79.47 - 93.7%(Secret Sword)43.7 - 51.65%

Venusaur (OU Mixed Growth)Hydro Pump79.73 - 94.01%(Secret Sword)49.5 - 58.47%

Deoxys-D (OU Bulky Spiker)Hydro Pump80.92 - 95.72%(Secret Sword)24.67 - 29.27%

Ninetales (OU Specially Defensive [Drought])(Secret Sword)82.28 - 97.14%Hydro Pump74.28 - 88%

Porygon2 (OU Defensive Duck)Hydro Pump82.62 - 97.32%(Secret Sword)67.37 - 79.14%

Dragonite (OU Mixed Attacker (Rain))Hydro Pump82.66 - 97.52%(Secret Sword)36.53 - 43.34%

Dragonite (OU Mixed Attacker (Classic))Hydro Pump82.66 - 97.52%(Secret Sword)36.53 - 43.34%

Cresselia (OU Dual Screens Support)Hydro Pump83.33 - 98.19%(Secret Sword)17.56 - 20.94%

Alomomola (OU Wish Support)Hydro Pump84.26 - 99.25%(Secret Sword)35.39 - 41.76%

Rotom-W (OU Bulky Attacker)Hydro Pump84.38 - 99.25%(Secret Sword)79.55 - 94.05%

Mandibuzz (OU Specially Defensive)Hydro Pump84.19 - 99.29%(Secret Sword)51.17 - 60.37%

Togekiss (OU Paralysis Abuse)Hydro Pump84.22 - 99.46%(Secret Sword)63.36 - 74.59%

Gorebyss (OU SmashPass)Hydro Pump85.35 - 100.63%(Secret Sword)69.74 - 82.16%

Chansey (OU Wish)(Secret Sword)85.51 - 100.85%Hydro Pump43.6 - 51.56%

Chansey (OU Counter)(Secret Sword)85.51 - 100.85%Hydro Pump43.6 - 51.56%

Breloom (OU Bulk Up)(Secret Sword)85.62 - 101.25%Hydro Pump77.18 - 90.93%

Cresselia (OU Support)Hydro Pump86.48 - 102.02%(Secret Sword)16.21 - 19.14%

Cresselia (OU Calm Mind)Hydro Pump86.48 - 102.02%(Secret Sword)18.24 - 21.62%

Ferrothorn (OU Standard)(Secret Sword)86.93 - 102.84%Hydro Pump51.98 - 61.36%

Jirachi (OU Specially Defensive)Hydro Pump87.62 - 103.21%(Secret Sword)56.43 - 66.33%

Roserade (OU Toxic Spikes)Hydro Pump87.78 - 103.43%(Secret Sword)69.84 - 82.44%

Throh (OU Bulk Up)Hydro Pump88.68 - 104.61%(Secret Sword)60.27 - 70.9%

Cradily (OU Support)(Secret Sword)89.36 - 105.31%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Porygon2 (OU Trick Room)Hydro Pump89.3 - 105.34%(Secret Sword)88.77 - 104.81%

Politoed (OU Choice Specs)(Secret Sword)89.71 - 105.91%Hydro Pump74.76 - 87.85%

Politoed (OU Choice Scarf)(Secret Sword)89.71 - 105.91%Hydro Pump74.76 - 87.85%

Kingdra (OU Mixed Rain Dance)(Secret Sword)90.72 - 107.21%Hydro Pump42.95 - 50.85%

Kingdra (OU Mixed Dragon Dance)(Secret Sword)90.72 - 107.21%Hydro Pump42.95 - 50.85%

Rotom-C (OU Offensive Scout)Hydro Pump91.53 - 107.66%(Secret Sword)86.29 - 102.01%

Deoxys-D (OU Toxic Staller)Hydro Pump91.77 - 107.89%(Secret Sword)21.71 - 25.65%

Virizion (OU Offensive Calm Mind)(Secret Sword)91.97 - 108.64%Hydro Pump59.25 - 70.06%

Virizion (OU Swords Dance)(Secret Sword)91.97 - 108.64%Hydro Pump66.35 - 78.08%

Rotom-W (OU SubSplit)Hydro Pump92.11 - 108.71%(Secret Sword)88.79 - 104.97%

Cradily (OU Swords Dance [Storm Drain])(Secret Sword)93.08 - 110.1%Hydro Pump0 - 0%

Whimsicott (OU Prankster)Hydro Pump93.51 - 110.18%(Secret Sword)56.48 - 66.66%

Rotom-W (OU Choice)Hydro Pump93.8 - 110.33%(Secret Sword)88.42 - 104.54%

Rotom-C (OU Choice Scarf)Hydro Pump93.77 - 110.78%(Secret Sword)88.79 - 104.97%

Rotom-C (OU Choice Specs)Hydro Pump93.77 - 110.78%(Secret Sword)88.79 - 104.97%

Gallade (OU Bulk Up)Hydro Pump95.54 - 113.05%(Secret Sword)47.77 - 56.37%

Huntail (OU SmashPass)Hydro Pump97.13 - 114.33%(Secret Sword)62.1 - 72.92%

Salamence (OU Dragon Dance)Hydro Pump97.28 - 114.5%(Secret Sword)41.38 - 48.94%

Salamence (OU Classic MixMence)Hydro Pump97.28 - 114.5%(Secret Sword)41.38 - 48.94%

Salamence (OU Choice Scarf)Hydro Pump97.28 - 114.5%(Secret Sword)41.38 - 48.94%

Salamence (OU New MixMence)Hydro Pump97.28 - 114.5%(Secret Sword)41.38 - 48.94%

Salamence (OU Choice Band)Hydro Pump97.28 - 114.5%(Secret Sword)41.38 - 48.94%

Ninetales (OU Sunny Day [Drought])Hydro Pump99.07 - 117.64%(Secret Sword)89.16 - 105.26%

That's every Pokemon & every set in OU and then some that's not always OHKO'd, so you're not gonna get a better look at Keldeo's strength in Rain or his counters than that list. Have fun with that.

 

[Lady Alex]

Scary D:

 

[StallMandibuzz]

@Katakiri: Wow, must have taken you a good bit of time to figure out all of those calculations. That does give a good idea about what can counter Keldeo, and what can't afford to try to tank an attack by the pony.

 

[Katakiri]

Scary D:

It's a good thing Hydro Pump always misses.

@Katakiri: Wow, must have taken you a good bit of time to figure out all of those calculations. That does give a good idea about what can counter Keldeo, and what can't afford to try to tank an attack by the pony.

Not really. The hardest part was editing it into a readable list instead of looking like a calculator threw up.


Funny (scary?) how only 3 Pokemon aren't 2HKOd by Keldeo (without lefties) and one of them needs to be at full-health...and one is Parasect.

 

[Lady Alex]

Funny (scary?) how only 3 Pokemon aren't 2HKOd by Keldeo (without lefties) and one of them needs to be at full-health...and one is Parasect.

beautiful.

 

[StallMandibuzz]

Not really. The hardest part was editing it into a readable list instead of looking like a calculator threw up.

Funny (scary?) how only 3 Pokemon aren't 2HKOd by Keldeo (without lefties) and one of them needs to be at full-health...and one is Parasect.

Lmao, well Parasect is Bug/Grass, which is resistant to both of the pony's STAB attacks, and it can attack back with a STAB Grass move. And it is kinda funny, since Parasect's typing is pretty horrible, but it does have its' merits. :p

 

[Thundur]

252 +1 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump (Rain) vs 252 HP/4 SpDef Eviolite Chansey: 51.28% - 60.51% 2 hits to KO

252 +1 SpAtk Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump (Rain) vs 252 HP/0 SpDef Celebi: 70.54% - 82.92%
2 hits to KO

holy fuck

 

[StallMandibuzz]

@Thundur: But you have to remember that Hydro Pump is just as infamous at the missing game as Stone Edge and Focus Blast are.

 

[Cipher Admin Lovrina]

I think HP Ice could be good. It won't be too hard to use a Jellicent counter elsewhere on the team!

 

[StallMandibuzz]

@Lovrina: Maybe, although if the Jellicent counter is taken down, then HP Ice will still do pitiful damage to the floating jellyfish.

 

[Thundur]

@Thundur: But you have to remember that Hydro Pump is just as infamous at the missing game as Stone Edge and Focus Blast are.

I'm not talking about the accuracy, but the sheer power.

200th post yay

 

[StallMandibuzz]

I'm not talking about the accuracy, but the sheer power.

200th post yay

I understand that, but its' accuracy will screw you over more often then not. And grats on your 200th post. :p

 

[BurningMan]

The specs set can also run surf and in rain and with SR on the field it also 2HKOs most of the less defensive resists so accuracy isn't always an issue.

 

[eriados]

I understand that, but its' accuracy will screw you over more often then not. And grats on your 200th post. :p

Accuracy doesn't change the fact that Keldeo has perhaps one counter in OU.

 

[Nubagator]

Wow, june 23rd huh, this thing is going to be quite interesting. That list of calcs is absolutely stunning, I would bet Jelliecent is going to soar in usage.

 

[lmitchell0012]

Why aren't chansey/blissey in the list of counters?? I know it gets close combat, but keldeo's attack is TERRIBLE. You'd think that with the defense boost she gets from eviolite, maybe chansey could take an unboosted close combat or two. Blissey obviously walls the special set, but she won't take close combats as well as chansey.

 

[Tobes]

....Secret Sword.

I am seriously considering infracting you right now.

 

[lmitchell0012]

....Secret Sword.

I am seriously considering infracting you right now.

I'm sorry. I didn't know that sacred sword ignores eviolite boosts.

 

[Tobes]

http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/secret_sword

Yeah I am totally infracting you if you reply to this with something stupid.

 

[StallMandibuzz]

Accuracy doesn't change the fact that Keldeo has perhaps one counter in OU.

What counter would that be? Jellicent? Not trying to seem stupid or anything, I'm not too good at competitive battling.

 

[Demist]

Ponies for UBERS! Honestly, Keldeo laughs at 90% of meta, easily 2HKOing them. I think it's going to change metagame a bit. 1. Rain=90% of the teams (ok, not 90, it just popped in my head xD)
2.Jellicent rise!
3. Pokes like Raikou (and Parasect xD) showing time to time.
I kind of like that. Anyways, won't VoltTurn still be one of the most overused themes? Scarf Rotom-W is looking rather good as a check

 

[StallMandibuzz]

Room-W seems like a decent counter too, since it'll take pitiful damage from Hydro Pump and possibly Secret Sword, and smack the pony with an SE STAB Volt Switch or Electric moe.

 

[Lee]

Scarf Rotom is always OHKO'd by +1 LO Secret Sword and, due to the SpD boost that accompanies Calm Mind, only manages an average of 72% with Thunderbolt or 52% with Volt Switch.

I think Jellicent's utility as a counter is also being greatly overestimated. At best he can use Night Shade or inflict a not-neccesarily-crippling status while Keldeo 2HKOs with a super-effective Hidden Power at +1. I'd say Latias with Psyshock the only true counter but I think attempting to counter this thing outright isn't too smart and you'd be better off applying pressure to make life hard for it (T-Spikes, not giving it setup opportunities e.g saccing Ferrothorn to get off that Power Whip etc.) and then revenging it. Trying to wall this thing with something as offensively inept as Jellicent is asking for trouble.

 

[Cipher Admin Lovrina]

Scarf Rotom is always OHKO'd by +1 LO Secret Sword and, due to the SpD boost that accompanies Calm Mind, only manages an average of 72% with Thunderbolt or 52% with Volt Switch.

I think Jellicent's utility as a counter is also being greatly overestimated. At best he can use Night Shade or inflict a not-neccesarily-crippling status while Keldeo 2HKOs with a super-effective Hidden Power at +1. I'd say Latias with Psyshock the only true counter but I think attempting to counter this thing outright isn't too smart and you'd be better off applying pressure to make life hard for it (T-Spikes, not giving it setup opportunities e.g saccing Ferrothorn to get off that Power Whip etc.) and then revenging it. Trying to wall this thing with something as offensively inept as Jellicent is asking for trouble.

Specially Defensive Jellicent with Toxic?