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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

Paperblade said:
I would be fine with either testing PR or lynching AE
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You want to put me up vs. him to test him lol...

Let's face it, unless we lynch persuader we have like zero hope of verifying pr's ability.

zorbees said:
I do count DLC as vanilla, since announcer has no impact on the game and could very well be mafia
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Do you believe billymills that DLC is clean because of the Bell? (reasoning already explained)

ETA: Actually, after reconsidering for like five seconds, trying to test pr is okay if we don't have surefire targets. I obviously don't want to die, but I won't be so arrogant as to say the fate of the village rests on my shoulders, since I've been off-base most of the game. Trading me for a mafia death matters more at this stage. I feel averse because I feel not only from my POV but most other people's we have better prospective lynches to test vs. pr, but wrt 'Let's face it, unless we lynch persuader we have like zero hope of verifying pr's ability.' there's only one way to do that with persuader on me, so...
 
jumpluff said:
You want to put me up vs. him to test him lol...

ETA: Actually, after reconsidering for like five seconds, trying to test pr is okay if we don't have surefire targets. I obviously don't want to die, but I won't be so arrogant as to say the fate of the village rests on my shoulders, since I've been off-base most of the game. Trading me for a mafia death matters more at this stage. I feel averse because I feel not only from my POV but most other people's we have better prospective lynches to test vs. pr, but wrt 'Let's face it, unless we lynch persuader we have like zero hope of verifying pr's ability.' there's only one way to do that with persuader on me, so...
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We could just tilt the lynch so that PR would be lynched if he wasn't mayor...

Also I never mentioned this before, but I'm really suspicious that the mafia inspector died, immediately after we revealed pretty well all our information. There's a good chance the mafia offed him for some reason of that the wolf really doesn't want to be found.
 
Wow, I'm really stupid.

Yes, that is a good point, but I feel it is also possible the wolf -- I'm assuming for now it's the wolf -- wanted to just knock out a mafia, and kok was one of the most obvious candidates to them.

zorbees said:
Additionally, what is everyone's opinion on lynching Rediamond? I would be for it, probably likelier than anyone else, because of his vanilla claim, general unhelpfulness, and imo lack of better targets. I still think there is a possible mafia hiding within the vanilla claims, and jumpluff is a bit more clean than Rediamond. I do count DLC as vanilla, since announcer has no impact on the game and could very well be mafia, but I think Rediamond is a bit more scummy.
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I'm just going to use this post as a catalyst for summing up my current opinions on the lynch, as well as eventually answering zorbees. There are basically three major options at the moment that have been presented:

  • Test pr777 vs. jumpluff
  • Lynch Ace Emerald
  • Lynch Rediamond
I've indicated that I'm amenable to all of these. The first because I feel like, now that the safeguard is dead, we're unlikely to be able to verify pr777's ability. Unless I'm really dumb (a possibility), there's no way to do it that I won't be lynched if pr777 is indeed mayor, which I obviously don't approve of because I do think I contribute something to this village even if I'm constantly wrong and because every village death is a disaster, but I recognise that there's no way around that anyway, and we can't move forward with pr until we've done that. The second because I think it is likely that Ace and Dummy are mafia. The third because Rediamond is a legitimate suspect, and if he's not what he says he is, the loss is very minor (this is admittedly true of Ace Emerald as well, as martyr is like worthless, but it's better than a vanilla technically...) compared to lynching someone with a power claim.

I feel that there may well be a nobility safeclaim, which is something I realised after Ace Emerald brought up my claim, especially with the line in lkk's role PM that billy pointed out. I don't actually agree that behaviourally he's done much to warrant a lynch recently, though. I didn't enjoy his earlier stuff with Quagsires (#673), but my main problems with him were conditional on Ditto or UncleSam being mafia. Accusing him of general unhelpfulness is a bit rich -- remember what game we're in. Comparing him to others, I've found his posts to be fairly reasonable, if too sparse, in a game full of... do I have to say? ._.; At this stage, I only care about special cases like DetroitLolcat, but it seems, unless billy is mafia, there's little point pursuing it (the bell).

I'm also okay with a lynch on zorbees in the future, but not today, unless we receive some indication the second kill was from a village vigilante, or get a counterclaim from whoever subs in for aska and SoulTorrent.

I would like pr777's opinion on testing his role claim in this manner as well. pokemonrocks777, today we may end up ordering the votes so that if you are not what you say you are, you will die. If you are mayor, I will die instead. Is that acceptable to you? (I wish I knew how many votes pr's counts for... Two or three? ._< Still assuming two but not sure...) Also, like zorbees asked, what did you mean by this?

anyways one of my results i'm clean according to the Inspector
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^ That.

A question for those of you advocating an Ace Emerald lynch. If Ace Emerald flips town, what do you propose we do next, especially wrt Dummy007?

Hosts: Votecount, please.

ETA: Oh~

Ace Emerald said:
Dummy007: from my POV, hes very clean as scum would have said their alliance check went through without my interference
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Why is this the case? He knew you were almost certainly targeting him, because billy told you to several times. The only way this would be relevant is if he had some reason to believe that you didn't interfere (i.e. has some kind of role like thief or whatever and was able to target whomever he was aiming at unimpeded, except we can account for the thief, but it's just an example in light of the inspector's death) and would thus disprove him if he claimed you did.
 
As for the three possibilities:

1) I support making Pokemonrocks test his claim. But really, risk one of the two really active users to test a mayor claim? Couldn't we test someone who's generally unimportant, like me? I highly doubt billy is scum, but I don't want to risk one active contributor dominating the flow again...
2) Ace Emerald. I've never really seen the justification behind the lynch itself, but I'm running out of targets tbh (although I still don't like Engi), and it's a better idea than most.
3) Lynch Rediamond: Eh. I guess it would make sense for me to be opposed? To be honest, if I didn't know I was clean, I can see why this is a much safer prospect than most, as at worst you lose another vote and nothing more. I still would like to see a shot at something good coming from the lynch though. Maybe cast me against Pokemonrocks or something? That way, we lose an inactive contributor without any real role at worst.
 
I did not get any flavour or results when i was inspected. Also the persuasion flavour is different. If you are going to lie at least make more of an effort.

@@lynch pokemonrocks777@@
 
I don't think he is lying about persuader... Unless he is wolf or something, because mafia know the flavour of their persuader. Plus dancing is kinda like a jam session? (That was iirc the flavour you were persuaded w/, lmk if I'm wrong.) The inspection thing is dodgy though, I want to know what he is talking about.
 
Exactly pluff. He may know about a jam session, but not realize that it is singing. It clearly stated singing for both me and leethoof. Why would it change? I'm willing to bet the mafia role pm says something about a jam session, but not singing but the flavour is definitely singing. Why would it change?
 
billymills said:
My apologies, I did not mean to troll:

@@vote Ace Emerald@@

is that better?
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I'm referring more to your post, which to me made no sense. First off, its a given why I'm looking for the wolf in the village, because I think the sun flipped. I thought that was very self explanatory. And then you start spouting random stuff about the mafia. Then you voted incorrectly. Thats why I thought you were trolling.
zorbees said:
@AE: If dummy was mafia, why would he, knowing you are a martyr and targeting him, say he wasn't redirected to you? That'd wreak of scum.
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I am a talked about lynch target, and if Dummy said my action didn't interfere, I could be lynched. If he were scum, he'd want that.
jumpluff said:
Why is this the case? He knew you were almost certainly targeting him, because billy told you to several times. The only way this would be relevant is if he had some reason to believe that you didn't interfere (i.e. has some kind of role like thief or whatever and was able to target whomever he was aiming at unimpeded, except we can account for the thief, but it's just an example in light of the inspector's death) and would thus disprove him if he claimed you did.
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Same thing as above, he's clean from my POV as I believe scum would say I failed to get me lynched. Of course we can always get into WIFOM, "If I validate AE that makes me seem cleaner" but I don't think thats the case.

@Red lynch
jumpluff makes an excellent point in #1353 that mafia has a high chance of having a nobility safe claim. I think it'd be too easy if all nobility were clean just for being important roles in the Middle Ages. I mean, obviously the higher nobility (king, queen) should be village, but mafia might lie in some middle ranked nobility roles. That said, I don't find Red too scummy. He hasn't said anything really weird (at least that I've seen, I guess now is a good time to look back) and hasn't contributed less than whats really average (unfortunately that average isn't too great :/).

I'd like to take this time to @@unvote@@ as we are coming closer to consensus as a village. And @jumpluff #1345, its not that I won't ever trust you, its just that I was trying to determine the sun, you are the top suspect in my eyes and I was alerting everyone to this.

In light of jumpluff and crux's most recent posts, I think we should look more into procks. We should take everything with a grain of salt, but this inspection thing needs answering.
 
Ace: lol that part was facetious in nature, I was more just acknowledging that that argument is valid enough except for the fact you can apply it to anyone who has experience -- but it wasn't your only argument, I know. And it's always something to keep in mind for anyone who does!

Crux: that's a fair point. Actually, the persuader could theoretically be Engineer Pikachu, who claimed the Bard. Not too sure though, just a thought I felt like mentioning. Doubt there's actually a bard in the Majora's Maskians, and that would be a massive mistake in falseclaiming, like colossal...
 
Something I just noticed: The King (dead J-squared), Queen (Crux), and Princess (dead Yeti) are all vanilla. Pr777 claims Prince, but claims Mayor. This probably isn't concrete evidence but along with everything else it does make him look a bit more suspicious.

EDIT: jumpluff, why single out EP as a potential persuader possibility? Are you saying because singing = bard?
 
All I can say is that I DEFINITELY got results for AE. As far as the three options go, I would support the first one had procks not been persuaded onto jumpluff (although I don't see why we couldn't rig it to give jumpluff one fewer apparent vote than procks and see if they tie...) I wouldn't advise the second, for obvious reasons (I checked AE, got village back). There is a possibility that AE is the wolf, but, then again, there's a possibility that anyone is the wolf. Lastly, if I wanted Rediamond lynched (which I don't; he seems too willing to die to be scum), I would want it to be as part of verifying procks's claim. We're pretty much stuck between a rock, a hard place, and...North Korea? Anyway, I would have to say Option 1 is the best, but that's just my opinion. (Also, nice to see you posting again, Crux.)
 
Jam session definitely makes me think zora. I'm unsure what to make of the persuader or pr777, though I think he should explain more about the inspect and persuade.

I'm not really interested in posting a lot today, expect a bit more later/tomorrow.
 
I think it's too late to lynch for inactivity since we have evidence against pr777, AE, and other generally suspicious players. I would definitely go for Option 1 next.
 
I support Option 1 as well.

Tilting the lynch is easy, and there are only three options that can come out of it. We either find procks to be lying and thus lynch a mafia, end up in a no lynch which is better than the bad outcomes of anything listed before, or lynch pluff (if procks is supermayor) which is admittedly undesirable but somewhat unlikely, I guess. IMO it's certainly better than what we've been doing, seeing as though we haven't exactly been successful the past lynches...
 
In accordance to my postgame agreement and having read the shift postgame I will be subbing into this game. I will probably only read the last 5 pages, wish me luck.
 
Layell, we've all claimed our role name and paraphrased all the flavour etc. of our PMs. I can repost the list for you, or you can search it yourself (search viscount or something to find it) in-thread. Please do the same before posting anything else, as we did it in Day 5v1 and the part of the reason aska's inactivity was so crippling was because everyone else had claimed (bar SoulTorrent). You will notice a lot of recent posts concern people's claims.
 
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