As much as I hate Joe Flacco yeah he rates higher than Smith even. Alex Smith has experience...and that is about all his game has. Somehow he stuck around long enough to go from terrible to average. Sheesh.
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The Everything Eli Manning Thread - Overrated Edition
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As much as I hate Joe Flacco yeah he rates higher than Smith even. Alex Smith has experience...and that is about all his game has. Somehow he stuck around long enough to go from terrible to average. Sheesh.
As a QB, I'd say Flacco is rated somewhere between where he thinks he is and where non Ravens fans think he is. Top 12 or so QB (remember that people use winning as an argument and he's done pretty well from that standpoint, kicked ass in the playoffs too).
Back to Alex Smith, why even talk? He's finally had a passable season and yet he still feels the need to be controversial in the offseason in a different way ._.
Joe Flacco was bottom 10 in completion percentage and bottom 12 in yards per attempt last year. I'm fine with saying he's still an awful QB.
As for the "Games Won" metric: Game Wins is not a stat that you can attribute singularly to a QB. Maybe in some cases, the QB will have done it by himself completely. However, in most cases, it takes more than just the QB to win in the NFL.
As for the "Games Won" metric: Game Wins is not a stat that you can attribute singularly to a QB. Maybe in some cases, the QB will have done it by himself completely. However, in most cases, it takes more than just the QB to win in the NFL.
Eh, I would certainly rate Flacco above Smith, and I think Stallion was pretty accurate in saying he's top 12, but no higher than #11 or #10 at his best. Flacco has a few intangibles that are useful to keep him starting, but he's lacking that edge to get him into the top 10. Fortunately for Ravens fans, Flacco will consistently remain a #12 QB for his whole career. Unfortunately for Ravens fans, Flacco will consistently remain a #12 QB for his whole career...
Eh, I'd probably put him even with cutler and ryan. Vick is not too terribly far above him, and I can't really judge Newton fully after just one season.
sweet fucking triplejumping jesus can we PLEASE not fucking rank the NFL QBs for the 258976348976th time
I love it, as does 99% of Buffalo. When we had a pass rush last season (first 7 games) we gave up huge yards but we also forced tons of poor passes and got 5 picks out of Brady and Vick. EACH. Once we lost the pressure, our average secondary was exposed for what it was, and then our depleted D-line was demolished by opposing run games without Kyle Williams to plug the middle with Dareus.
Adding Mario and Anderson to the D-line makes it monstrous. No OLB/DE in the draft would even begin to approach the impact these guys are going to have on our defense. Having everyone back and healthy is going to precipitate a huge swing of power in the AFC East (assuming they can all STAY healthy).
I love it, as does 99% of Buffalo. When we had a pass rush last season (first 7 games) we gave up huge yards but we also forced tons of poor passes and got 5 picks out of Brady and Vick. EACH. Once we lost the pressure, our average secondary was exposed for what it was, and then our depleted D-line was demolished by opposing run games without Kyle Williams to plug the middle with Dareus.
Adding Mario and Anderson to the D-line makes it monstrous. No OLB/DE in the draft would even begin to approach the impact these guys are going to have on our defense. Having everyone back and healthy is going to precipitate a huge swing of power in the AFC East (assuming they can all STAY healthy).
You use winning as an argument when the team is reliant on offense. The Ravens have a defense that DM could walk into and act like Tim Tebow in. Then we would all be like BOJAKKKKKKKKK and the world would be a better place. Joe Flacco sucks a dick. Usually a QB is much more influential than his WRs, but statistics actually indicate that he had at least 2 of the top 40 WRs and still managed to suck mega donkey dick. Joe Flacco is not a bottom 5 or maybe even 8 QB just because the bottom of the barrel is always so brutally bad/young fuckups, but he is nowhere near the level of guys like Schaub or Cutler.
Better than Mark Sanchez at least though :/
Better than Mark Sanchez at least though :/
The statistics actually indicate that the Ravens WR's were the absolute worst at getting separation in the entire league. Don't mix cause and effect here dude. Flacco also has the worst offensive coordinator in the league who stubbornly refuses to deviate from the Air Coyell system which only works with tall receivers who are downfield threats, something we don't really have. Considering the personnel they both have to throw to, Flacco is absolutely a better QB then Matt Ryan for example (who has two elite WR's to throw to who were amongst the better pairs in the comp at getting separation). I'm hoping he'll turn his playoff form into a good season this year to shut up the critics (hard to do when you say you think you're better then everyone else smh ._.).
The Panthers ran this quite successfully with 5'9 Steve Smith.
How do statistics indicate that a certain group of WRs are the absolute worst at getting separation? What "stat" records this information? lol
For what it's worth, the Panthers #2 and #3 as far as receptions go were a RB and TE which are key pieces in the Air Coryell system. Not sure why you're trying to blame it all on the WRs. I'm pretty sure Ray Rice does a great job in the system for you guys.
Also, Torrey Smith is 6'1 and ran a 4.41 40 yard dash. Anquan Boldin has always been a great WR.
Sounds like Joe Flacco just sucks.
Never did I say Flacco was even an above average QB. I'm just saying he doesn't suck. Thanks for quoting measurables back at me by the way, with that logic then the Oakland Raiders have the deadliest receiving corps in the NFL. Torrey Smith is a good piece and will be very good for us but he was a rookie without training camp and he did struggle with his route running a fair bit last season. Btw Steve Smith in his prime was a better WR then any we've had at the Ravens (prime Boldin wasn't with us), and something about Cam's version of the offense (the Miami Dolphins that were 1-15 springs to mind) just doesn't click. On that note, in regards to the bold above and about Cam Cameron being a terrible playcaller, I originally found the link stating this on baltimorebeatdown.com months ago (our SB nation site). Seeing as I can't find it after a quick google search however, this will have to satisfy you - NFL film study. http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/20/cosell-talks-the-ravens-predictable-offense/
Have you seen our playcalling? Replace the phrase "run up the middle" with just "run" and that's pretty much our offense, except Flacco has had similar success as Ryan individually over their careers with much worse receivers for the Ravens, and more team success. I think it was CK that said Schaub was a better QB then Flacco at this stage in their careers, to which I'd agree (I remember especially how beast he was in 2010, very underrated). But Matt Ryan? Please. If anything they're on the same level at worst.
Edit: Except for last year, I didn't realise how well Matt Ryan did. Ryan's regular season numbers destroyed him but Flacco did a lot better in the playoffs. QB rating is a flawed stat but one of 71 in one game vs 96 in two games is a signifcant difference. For their careers in the regular season, their QB rating is like 1 point in favour of Ryan's. They both sucked in the playoffs at the beginning of their careers (as a lot of young QB's do), but in 2010 and 2011 Flacco has actually done a pretty good job where as Matt Ryan has continued to suck.
Matt Ryan's inability to get a single point for an entire game in the playoffs really made me "forever doubt him", do not get me wrong. Look at how bad Flacco was though, you do not think the Texans would have annihilated him in that shitfest of a game with Schaub in the game? It would have been like Texans 30 Ravens 7. The Ravens succeed because of their D. The Falcons have a talented overall roster. The WRs have not impacted anything because Ryan is not good enough to do anything with them, but you should not detract from the Falcons because they are there, they were fine without them. The management chasing WRs as if it would improve fucking Matt Ryan is the problem, apparently they think what works for Kurt Warner works for a QB who is not close to an elite level.
YTP every passing game has a roof unless the QB is a top level talent (P. Manning/Brees/Brady/Rodgers/Rivers/Romo/Newtwon right now have no roofs). Trust me the problem is not just Matt Ryan, or the offensive line, it is that they wasted so many resources on fucking WRs. Roddy White is not very good, I explored that in detail before. Julio Jones was a rookie who even if he becomes special was not worth giving all that up...just look at the history of early pick WRs for fuck's sake.
Nah, that's my bad! I knew we got the same number off both, but it was 4 picks, not 5.
Yes please. :(
We won't know how the Julio trade will pan out for a few years. But as a GM it is their job to look at the present as well as the future when making those kinds of decisions (except for the Redskins. they gave wayyy too much to have a future). They were right in going after a stud player (they traded there in hopes of getting either AJ Green, Patrick Peterson or Julio Jones) because they do need more explosiveness on the offense. Having to rely on Michael Jenkins to be a playmaker for another season would've been horrible. Last year was the year to do it with both AJ Green and Julio Jones available. This year there weren't any standout WRs. (Floyd and Blackmon but tbh they weren't nearly as impressive as Julio and AJ).
werent the cowboys the ones who passed on randy moss early? :l
werent the cowboys the ones who passed on randy moss early? :l
You said first seven games.. what happened to the pass rush? If it was injuries, wouldn't they come back this year? I don't get why they needed Mario unless for depth? Or just missing another DE? By depth i obviously mean he would be the starter. I don't know much about the Bills. Only seen one game recently. And by the way, the Bills are my favorite to make the move to LA.
We were in the 3-4 last year, keep that in mind (although we played a lot of snaps at 4-3). We moved to a 4-3 this year. Last year, Shawne Merriman went out in the 3rd or 4th game with the Achilles injury, and Kyle Williams, our Pro Bowl NT, played with a bad foot for weeks before finally ending up on IR in week 6 or 7, somewhere around there. Once we lost those guys, it was down to Dareus alone to get push up the middle and Chris Kelsay (ugh) and Dwan Edwards (meh) to come off the edges. Our linebackers were also in and out with injuries, and they were an average group to begin with aside from Nick Barnett. Our D started bad and got significantly worse. Coming back (1) healthy and (2) in a 4-3 is going to change the way this D looks and feels for the better.
Also, I don't think anyone is going to LA. They can't support a fucking team there, and they've proven that multiple times in the past.
Also, I don't think anyone is going to LA. They can't support a fucking team there, and they've proven that multiple times in the past.
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