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BW2: Blue Is The Damn Color.

Hey guys it's been a while since I made an RMT. Believe me, it was hard to adjust to BW2 thanks to:

1. I haven't played for a while.
2. Kyurem-B and W are just as broken as fuck. Although I gotta admit, Zekrom is still better than Kyurem-B.
and lastly, 3. As I was adapting, it's just hard to fit new Pokemon formes into my team so I just stuck with the old ones. And then suddenly, Soul Dew came out (which is still old *3rd gen cough*) and it gave me hope to stand up to the new Ubers.

also a note: I am using 3 OU Pokes in this team so don't get disappointed if you don't know how to use them in Ubers. Well 4 if you count Soul Dew Latios as OU.

Anyway, let's get to the team since the intro is kinda long.

Blue Is The Damn Color





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Well okay, since the team is Blue, you know what it has. A FUCKING CHOICE SPECS KYOGRE. There was this time when I crit a Wobbuffet with Water Spout at full power and my opponent said "Unfair!" and I said "nah it didn't matter. Learn the power of Specs Kyogre mate." Anyway, I've chosen this monsutta over the Scarf variant because Scarf just doesn't have the rawpower. It doesn't have the ability to fuck up the blobs, Ferrothorn, and Giratina. Although both can't harm Latias :/ since 4th gen, this red jet plane has been the best switch in to Specs Kyogre, well without getting murdered by Ice Beam anyway. Palkia is still as good as it was before Soul Dew came out. Now let's go to the EVs. Why not max health? One is so that Spikes damage is minimized. The other is just to speed creep other base 90s who don't invest in speed meh. That is all for the strongest Special Attacker in the game.





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Next up, the avatar from the water tribe, Korra. Just kidding, it doesn't have other elements. But these moves give me an outstanding coverage which nothing in the game resists (save for Shedinja). Although sometimes ExtremeSpeed is tempting, I'll miss out some OHKOes as I have no recovery. Also, I don't sweep with him unless I make sure that I am at +4 and/or there are no faster Pokemon in his team. Trust me, if you see a Ferrothorn, never hesitate to set up on it unless you are sure that he will Power Whip. Meh not gonna explain the EVs since it's incredibly generic for a sweeper. Other than being a sweeper, this also happens to be my revenge killer other than my Scarfer. STAB Waterfall in the rain will deal insane amounts of damage to just about every single thing in the game ahaha Mewtwo gets OHKOed without +2. Also, WotArceus has saved my ass so many times against a +2 EK Arceus since it has the bulk to take one ExtremeSpeed (Adamant does about 70% and Jolly does about 55%) and KO back with Waterfall. Now let's go to the Pokemon who has been OU for a year and is now back for Ubers.





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Fastest Dragon. Don't argue with DragonCeus. It's not a Dragon, it's a fucking rainbow pony (changes color everytime it washes plates). Anyway, let's get on with the jokes. So as TrollFreak suggested, I tried out the Latias set. At first I was disappointed at the results. I wasn't used to the weak Dragon Pulse. I wanted the Draco Meteor so bad. But then I realized, I also needed a special sweeper. I already have two choiced pokes, both Special and Physical. Then there's Latios who rapes everything with Draco Meteor. Isn't that redundant? So there I tried it out and it was AMAZING. Just to keep up with the theme, I had to use Latios but with a different EV spread. The stats will end up the same except the Defense stat. But I don't really care. The set was meant to take on a Kyogre face to face and beat it down the drain, pun intended. Anyway, so this is the Calm Mind Latios set (or should I say Blue Latias) and is now my replacement for the older Latios.





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ScarfRachi does an extremely good job in Ubers checking the green lizard that everyone hates, THE Rayquaza. Yes, "the" has to be emphasized since it is just a huge threat. SD and DD sets are extremely dangerous sweepers. Mixed attacking variants rapes everything, opening a sweep for another team mate. If you have used the MMM (mixed moxie mence) in OU, then you'll know what I'm talking about. Jirachi has also saved my ass against EK Arceus by either flinching it to death or Tricking it a Choice Scarf as it Swords Dances. Choice Scarf EK Arceus is as useless as shit. This guy is also my Shaymin and Darkrai killer. Mewtwo is just too bulky for me to rely on Flinch. If Steels and the blobs are alive and Kyogre and Arceus are dead, this is my best shot. Trick them a Choice Scarf and let's see how they wall me. Also, since this team is adapted to BW2, I have stuff to share to you guys. Scarf Kyurem-BW are huge threats and Palkia will be more used as ever. Now here's the thing. Jirachi isn't as strong as Palkia nor it has extremely strong STABs in form of Surf and Spacial Rend/Draco Meteor. The three boons that the Wish Pokemon has are Serene Grace, Trick and U-turn. Serene Grace pumps up Iron Head's flinch chance to a meaty 60% which can annoy the fuck out of a lot of people, forcing rage quits. Trick allows me to cripple walls such as Ferrothorn, Lugia and Giratina. U-turn keeps momentum and can switch into an appropriate counter to specific Pokemon. Also, Jirachi is a decent lead against Deoxys-A. Either flinch him in two hits or U-turn to Forretress and Rapid Spin the hazards away as well as Deo-A's health.





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Ok so everyone knows how good Gliscor is in OU taking all those physical hits like a bawse. As everyone here knows, Ubers is a tier full of special attackers and Dragons. So why put a Gliscor when you can just use a Skarmory? Mate, you do not know the meaning of stall. Gliscor can stall for ages thanks to Poison Heal + Sub + Protect. Toxic is just there for stalling out walls that can't do anything to me. Earthquake is to hit all those who are immune to Toxic namely Poison and Steel types. If you haven't tried Gliscor yet, you better start it now. Gliscor can find lots of time to switch in especially if you're fighting Sun and Sand teams as many threats are covered by Gliscor especially in Sand. The EVs are designed to outspeed base 90s while retaining bulk. It really has no purpose on the team on paper but trust me, I've killed half my opponent's team before just by using Gliscor and Jirachi. Also, they have a nice synergy. Gliscor is also my switch in on pokes locked into Thunder. Latios could be but I'll risk getting paralyzed in the process.





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Now Forretress. I have an incredibly unorthodox set, I know you don't have to tell me. The sole purpose of this Forretress other than using Stealth Rock and Spinning is to totally destroy EK Arceus (Toxic+Pain Split) and SD GhostCeus. Trust me guys, this set works. Somebody suggested this set to me a long time ago and I forgot his name. But I am a disclaimer and I do not own this set. Those Arceus who are greedy to set up are destrollished by Toxic. Those who attack are worn down by Pain Split. If they attack, I'll probably be down to Sturdy range but then I can Pain Split to wear them down and let them hit me again and Toxic will wear them out to the range where Jirachi can revenge kill. Anyway, if you guys have question on how this set works, don't hesitate to ask. I will explain clearly.​






That is all thanks to those who read and rated/will rate. Request for an Importable if needed. Also, I peaked around 40s in the PO server.
 
I am the one who suggested that set in your last cottonee RMT. BTW the evs are actually 252/16/240 Relaxed. Why the -speed nature? To spin after opposing forretress. This ensures that: They dont attack second and go to a spin-blocker as you try to rapid spin. You can also use 0 speed IVs if you want to.
 
This is unrelated, but may I know your username on PO?
Also I'm pretty sure the only blue thing about Jirachi is its ears.
And Soul Dew Latios is OHKOed by SpecsOgre's Water Spout and can't outspeed ScarfOgre which 2HKOs.
 
@Anikrahman1995 so it was you. Thanks for the set mate! But i'm fine with the current EV spread. You have a point about the speed though. Will change.

@Lousy918 Nah Latios survives Specs Water Spout. And Choice Scarf is Blue
 
But what is your username?

Water Spout does a minimum of 102.6% to Soul Dew Latios with your give EV spread. Note that SpecsOgre runs Max SpA with a Modest Nature. On the other hand, Timid ScarfOgre does a minimum of 61.8%, 2HKOing. Kyogre has Drizzle, by the way.
 
oh sorry about that. forgot the username part. it's Migo.lololol

you were calcing for a latios not holding a soul dew. this is the calcs for the one that does hold soul dew: 68.4%~80.7%
scarf does this much: 45.5%~53.8%

all calcs include these conditions:

weather: rain
Kyogre's spread: Modest 252 SpA with choice specs
Latios's spread: 0 HP / 4 SpD with soul dew


lastly, if you don't believe me, challenge me and lead with your kyogre with the same spread as above and i'll lead with latios. i'll just use recover so you won't get damaged.
 
Really? I'm sorry, I was using Psypokes, first thing that came up for me :p Whatever lol

I'm pretty sure I fought this team before, just can't find the replay, because I didn't save any with my current alt. Which, by the way, is Lol.Joker
And I'm not sure whether I won or not, if you can remember, I used a SmashPass Dialga with a Deoxys-S lead.
(Making a new team due to rise in Imposter Ditto's usage and the fact that people are copying my team.)

Because I remember fighting a team with a Jirachi named oh fuck, an Arceus-Water, a Forretress, all on the same team. I don't remember the Gliscor though.
 
then try changing latios's item to soul dew to see for yourself. maybe you forgot to put the item. i tried calcing without putting an item for latios and the results were the same as yours.

And I'm not sure whether I won or not, if you can remember, I used a SmashPass Dialga with a Deoxys-S lead.

yea i think i fought this kinds of pokes. idk i don't like fighting smash pass teams cause i can't win cause of too much power lol (heck i don't have a tank or a wall) so yea i think i lost
 
This team is pretty weak to ScarfPalkia. Assuming the standard set is what you face most often, which you probably will, every poke on your team is hit for SE damage...

Mewtwo also manages to OHKO kyogre w/ psystrike after Entry hazard damage. Arceus won't enjoy psystrike either...
 
1. Why would you -SpA on Arceus?! That thing can learn tons of moves that pack serious hurt! Give it a Mild Nature (+SpA, -Def). Since it's water-typed, most Electric or Grass moves will be special instead of physical and you don't need to worry that much about Def (except for that occasional Wild Charger >.>) Channel the EVs in Spe/SpA, and give it a completely different moveset, like:

- Swords Dance
- Waterfall
- Focus Blast
- Dragon Pulse

That will give it the best attacking outcome.

2. Honestly, I don't understand why you gave Foretress that nature. If it's going to be a hazard lead, it's going to need more Speed. You should channel your EVs to Spe/SpD, and give it a Jolly nature, which ups Spe but downs SpA, which you don't need because his moveset is mostly hazards, and the Rapid Spin is physical.

Other than those two obvious gaps, the rest of your team looks pretty solid. Good luck!

EDIT: Oh, also forgot. Only half your team is blue. Jirachi's blue-tags don't count as it's mostly yellow, Gligar is purple, and Forretress is obviously purple/red.
 
I disagree with Gengan to a large extent, haha.

Arceus is better off with:
- SD
- Waterfall
- EQ
- Filler, such as Dragon Claw.

Because a +2 Dragon Claw > Dragon Pulse. And I hate Focus Blast, hits me all the time, never hits for me.

EDIT: On 2nd thoughts, I realised Kabutops does it better due to Swift Swim:
- SD
- Stone Edge
- Low Kick
- Waterfall

But I don't think it's blue.
 
@Jerp: well Palkia isn't much of a threat thanks to Jirachi being around. and if it ever gets locked into one move, then I have a proper switch in. so the standard set is:

Spacial Rend/Draco Meteor: my steel types can take a hit
Surf/Hydro Pump: the first three pokes can take any of these
Thunder: Gliscor can just switch in. like i said, Latios can also be a switch in but the risk of getting paralyzed is disappointing
Fire Blast/Draco Meteor: well, the last move is barely used.

Mewtwo isn't a threat either. I just try to stall it out with Toxic.

@Gengan: purple is close to blue anyway so I don't really care. and besides Jirachi has scarf(which is blue) and Gliscor's shiny version is blue. And i'll have to say this but your rate is clearly not competitive. First off, do you know the meaning of physical set? Arceus can just focus everything on attack. His physical side is just as wide as the special, only weaker. that's why swords dance is there. Second, speed on Forretress? really? Go ahead and name smogon people who actually put speed on it (other than speed creeping) and uses a jolly nature.

@lousy918: Kabutops is quite good but then i'll miss out the larger attack stat and the bulk to take hits and dish out pain. Besides, water arceus learns dragon claw which, IMO, is better than having STAB stone edge since most of the tier are dragons.
EDIT: Also, Arceus isn't as weather dependent as Kabutops. Dragon Claw and Brick Break give me a decent coverage so I'm fine without weather. And I have tried Kabutops before. It runs at the sight of Groudon which Arceus can set up on if it doesn't have Dragon Tail.



And lastly, to everyone else: the blue part is only for the real monsters on my team namely, Kyogre, Arceus-Water and Latios. The rest of the pokes are utility.
 
Hello pwnage77, this is a great team you got here. However, I feel like it could be better.

For Kyorge, have you considered using Hydro Pump > Surf. With Hydro Pump, you gain MUCH more power after Water Spout lost its touch. For example, after Stealth Rock, Kyorge 2HKOs Blissey and Ferrothorn with Hydro Pump, OHKOs Lugia after Stealth Rocks, and 2HKOs 252/0 Zekrom, meaning slower versions can't beat Kyorge. The PP and Accuracy is shaky, but the power makes up for it. For Arceus, ExtreemeSpeed > Dragon Claw works wonders, as you're only using Dragon Claw for Dragons, which a combo of Jirachi and Latios deal with quite nicely. Plus, with ExtremmeSpeed, you have something to take care of Choice Scarf Dragons such as Kyruem-White and Zekrom, as they switch in to a rain boosted Waterfall, only to be KOd next turn by priority. Finally, on Forry, use Spikes > Toxic. With Spikes, you soften things up for Kyorge, Latios, and Arceus, and Toxic, while nice at stalling things out, is probably holding Forry back. Finally, Gliscor looks like the weakest link on the team. Since you're going to be using Spikes, there is a Pokemon that can spinblock and is immune to Ground-type attacks, Giratina-O. Giratina-O not only gives you a solid SD Arceus check, it also gives you a more reliable Fighting-type check, and a check to Rock Polish Groundon. Plus, with Dragon Tail, it can rack up damage with Spikes and Stealth Rock in play. Also, since Latios is your most relaible switch in fro Kyorge, the bulkier Latias works better than Latios in this situation. With Latias, you can use the Calm Mind version, and not only get more bulk to shrug off attacks from Kyorge, but with Calm Mind, you hit just as harder than Latios after 1 boost, so the power isn't missed.

So, in summary:

Pros:252 SpAtk Choice Specs Kyogre (+SpAtk) Hydro Pump vs 4 HP/252 SpDef Blissey: 52.61% - 62.12%
Entry hazards damage: 81(Stealth Rock)
After entry hazards: 424 - 486 (65.03% - 74.54%)
2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)

252 SpAtk Choice Specs Kyogre (+SpAtk) Hydro Pump vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Ferrothorn (+SpDef) : 49.43% - 57.95%
Entry hazards damage: 66(Stealth Rock + 1 layer of Spikes)
After entry hazards: 240 - 270 (68.18% - 76.7%)
2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)

Cons: Less PP and Accuracy than Surf, but 2HKOs on both Blissey and Ferro is worth the risk

Pros: Priority for faster Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Zekrom, Kuyrem-White, or Mewtwo and Darkrai, meaning you can get them all after a SD and some residual damage

Cons: Giratina says hi, though even at +2, you weren't KOing it, which means its getting burned by Will-O-Wisp or phazed out, so make sure your teammates take it out first before attempting a sweep.

Pros: More hazards to soften Pokemon such as Ferrothorn, as you see in the Kyorge calcs

Cons: Losing something to cripple Pokemon such as Lugia, though Lugia will prob Sub in your face, blocking Toxic, which means it just isn't worth it

Pros: Spinblocker, durable Fighting and Ground immune, Will-O-Wisp for SD Arceus and other Physical attacker, Dragon Tail to spread hazard damage

Cons: Losing a Toxic Staller, though Gliscor was holding the team back, as Giratina gives you an immune to Fighting and doesn't leave the team open to Pokemon such as Darkrai or Mewtwo with Substitute

Pros: More reliable Kyorge switch in, bulkier in general than Latios, Calm Mind helps boost power and Special bulk

Cons: Losing more initial power + a coverage move, though your team covers that well

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Giratina-O @ Griseous Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 208 HP / 60 Atk / 188 Def / 44 SAtk / 8 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Will-O-Wisp
- Dragon Tail
- Draco Meteor
- Shadow Sneak

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Latias @ Soul Dew
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 52 HP / 204 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Dragon Pulse
- Psyshock / Thunder

Good Luck with the team, hope this helped.

Also, I'll edit the bottom part with replies to the RMT, which aren't helping out the OP at all.
 
I really like your suggestions but here's my side:

Pro to your suggestions:

I'll try out Hydro Pump on Kyogre.
Espeed over Brick Break, not Dragon Claw. D Claw provides more coverage.


Anti-suggestions:

Spikes>Toxic: nah I'd like to keep the set but thanks for the suggestion. Ever since Anikrahman1995 suggested the set, this is the only Forry set I use in Ubers. It's just wonderful.
Giratina-O>Gliscor: Gliscor isn't the weakest link in the team. It's actually Kyogre himself. But I need Ogre for the rain so I can't replace him. Gliscor is actually the glue of the team in case either Latios or Arceus dies. And is my solid Giratina(-O) counter. Dragon Tail can't even break my subs. I'm faster so Draco Meteor isn't a problem. I am Poisoned so WoW isn't a problem.
Latias>Latios: They perform pretty much the same job. But this team is based on a Water Arceus sweep. Latios is there to punch holes in the opposing team, not to sweep. If I wanted to sweep, I'd have gone for your set a long time ago. Again, thanks for the suggestion.


also, if you catch my drift, Latias and Giratina-O can't follow the theme of having at least a tiny but noticeable blue/purple part in their body. Well save for the triangle on Latias' chest.
 
also, if you catch my drift, Latias and Giratina-O can't follow the theme of having at least a tiny but noticeable blue/purple part in their body. Well save for the triangle on Latias' chest.

So let me get this straight, you're saying no because they don't fir the theme?

Also, 1 last thing

Espeed over Brick Break, not Dragon Claw. D Claw provides more coverage.

I said Dragon Claw over Brick Break because it helps to take on Ferrothorn and Dialga, two Pokemon that are threats to the team. For Dragons, Jirachi and Latios already do a good job at taking them down, plus Dragons that switch into Kyorge aren't too happy as well.

Thats all, just wanted to point that out, but you'll prob say no anyways :)
 
@Gengan: purple is close to blue anyway so I don't really care. and besides Jirachi has scarf(which is blue) and Gliscor's shiny version is blue. And i'll have to say this but your rate is clearly not competitive. First off, do you know the meaning of physical set? Arceus can just focus everything on attack. His physical side is just as wide as the special, only weaker. that's why swords dance is there. Second, speed on Forretress? really? Go ahead and name smogon people who actually put speed on it (other than speed creeping) and uses a jolly nature.

>.> Yeesh.

I'm very sorry my advice didn't help you. Besides, Arceus is a flat-stat Pokemon. You could do practically anything with it, and I was just giving a suggestion. I've found SpA-Arceus to be a major problem for me when battling, even against my bulkiest Pokemon. And let me not bother with the Forretress part, lest we repeat this.

Of course, it's all up to you, and you've appeared to make your decision on everything I tried to help you with. No harm done.
 
@TrollFreak: alright alright lemme try ESpeed over Dragon Claw. The calcs in the strategy dex give me some reassurance anyway. Let's just try things first and see which is better. I see your point too so I guess it wouldn't hurt to try.
Also about Giratina-O and Latias. I don't want to repeat myself but i guess you didn't understand my explanations. Gliscor isn't dead weight since it helps me with the same Pokemon as Giratina-O does. As for Latias, I don't need another sweeper as Latios' role is to punch holes, not to sweep on its own.
 
I know, I suggested Latias as its a more reliable switch in to Special Attackers such as Kyorge. The team as is will find it hard to switch something into it, as one bad mispredict can be game changing. Latias can tank an Ice Beam, Recover off the damage, and then Calm Mind so it can live one. As for Scarf varients, Latios is 2HKOd by Ice Beam, Latias can survive it and then you can Recover the damage or switch out to Jirachi, Arceus-Water or your own Kyorge to build momentum. I know you can do that with your Latios, but since you and your opponent knows its a 2HKO, he'll just double switch, making it harder for you to react. Just saying, its bulk was the reason I used it, not to set up Calm Minds and Sweep.
 
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