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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??

nono, i'm dead serious

i played ranked 5s with TGF Freddy and he literally carried us four games in a row with the most ridiculous junglers because he's 2250 and we're all like 1700

if you have the individual skill to pull off stuff like jungle ezreal, then yeah, go ahead - i'm just saying that in solo queue ranked at decently high elos, it becomes harder and harder to successfully pull unorthodox stuff off.
 
I'm disappointing by the lack of Singed in your "Odd junglers" post.
As some people know, I like to try a lot of silly junglers when we do premades (typically with good results). Singed and Blitz are some of the more fun junglers. Blitz has some devastating ganks, but he was a slow clear speed until he gets his Wriggles. Singed also has some strong ganks, but has the problem of needing to run straight up to his target to pull off a successful gank. I've also jungled Orianna, Wukong and Galio before, withe some decent result, but I think that was mostly due to the opposing team being weak.
 
Honestly, more than half the champions in the game can jungle, it's just that many of them have traits that you want to take advantage of in lane (Karthus because he gets to late game terror status faster in mid, pre-nerf Ezreal abusing his Essence Flux AS debuff). It's usually things like Maokai and Mundo, whose kits are nothing to write home about in lane, who are sent into the jungle.
 
I'm disappointing by the lack of Singed in your "Odd junglers" post.
As some people know, I like to try a lot of silly junglers when we do premades (typically with good results). Singed and Blitz are some of the more fun junglers. Blitz has some devastating ganks, but he was a slow clear speed until he gets his Wriggles. Singed also has some strong ganks, but has the problem of needing to run straight up to his target to pull off a successful gank. I've also jungled Orianna, Wukong and Galio before, withe some decent result, but I think that was mostly due to the opposing team being weak.

Ya but Singed is really not that "odd" anymore in my opinion since I saw alot on some competititive games, I would have put Rumble but aswell back in the days SaintVicious played it.
Blitz is good, but Leona is just better imo because it does the same thing but better.
Galio, I tried this against heavy Ap teams, and it works, you struggle at start and you can't really gank though. I wanted to share only junglers that can actually gank even at start, because being in need of the level 6 in the jungle is most of the time really bad.

@Jebus, you get me wrong, I trust all you said, I just did horrible mistakes (grammatically speaking) in my sentence :D. As I almost "main" Ezreal and he fits just my gameplay well (I love skill scaling heroes since they are anyway SO FAR from the level required to play some DotA champions, not being arrogrant here, I'm just far more used to skillshot).
 
Huh, first champ sale in a while that doesn't include anyone I really care to spend money on to own. Irelia might be kinda cool, what's she like??
 
Huh, first champ sale in a while that doesn't include anyone I really care to spend money on to own. Irelia might be kinda cool, what's she like??

Has no weak point at any point in the game. Can snowball lanes easily, can farm with ease even against bad matchups thanks to her Q, and can trade with pretty much anyone after a few levels on her W. She's impossible to itemize against mid game b/c she has true damage on her autoattacks O.o. Finally, she's one of the best late game bruisers, only OP stuff like Jax and Olaf are better at diving carries. Her kit offers her just about everything you ever wanted a bruiser to have. A gap closer that refreshes upon kill, so even if the opponent is very far away you can kill a minion with Bladsurge, then Bladesurge again immediately to the champion. She has true damage on her W, which lets her trade with just about anyone. This isn't even mentioning she has some of the best sustain in the game on her W passive. She has decent crowd control which helps her stick on her target, and has passive Tenacity to ensure it doesn't work the other way around. The only thing I don't like about her is her ult, but you can just use that to sustain yourself in lane or as 4 autoattack resets in fights.
 
her ult is fkin amazing what are you talking about
farm waves
stupidly deceptive amount of damage
sheen proc
ult to lower minion health then q to them for reset

plus it looks awesome

irelia is weak early against olaf/darius and has a hard time in general against jax but can survive against both, especially with jungle help
 
Yeah, but even with the Sheen Procs/AA resets, Irelia's ult is nowhere close to things like Karthus, Rumble, Katarina, Graves etc in terms of damage, nor is it some game tilting AoE CC like Amumu, Galio, Malphite, Sona etc. nor does it have a broken mechanic like Shen, Olaf, Poppy, Mordekaiser etc. Irelia's ult is without a doubt in the bottom half of champs.
 
it's still decent

definitely not gamebreaking but

underrated and adds a sorely needed wave-clear ability to her kit

i do agree with that "bottom half of champs" comment though, it's down there
 
Without Irelia's ult, she wouldn't be able to do those pro jukes of hers that she can do with R setting up low HP minions to Q to.
 
The funny part on Irelia is that she was meant to be a dedicated jungler when Riot created her.

And yes, few real counters but Jax is just so hard to deal with since he just needs to trigger his E when Irelia triggers true damage to win the trade. But with some passiv farming (and Irelia got evrything she needs for that) you can't still overcome it decently.

The hardest Irelia counter would be an good Udyr player, Udyr harassing with Q is absolutly horrible for Irelia since when she gets denied it becomes harder and harder for her to catch up the bear man. And well.. nobody can really trade with Udyr given his massiv sustain and that he only needs one hit to deal huge damages.
So yes, when I see Irelia I go Udyr and usually I can deny her or grab some kills while peacefully farming.... But Irelia still has this ******* crowd control with her E, and as Udyr it's always hard to avoid being ganked. So he wins 1v1 doubtlessly but during a gank as jungler, this would be easier for you if the Irelia is on your side (she just needs to Q then E and %@!# you're done).



So yes, buy it, great champ and it's always a great asset to have a good Irelia in its inventory. She wont be nerfed anytime soon anyway because Riot just loves her (people cried for ages before she gets "nerfed"). In fact they didn't nerf her directly but kept on creating more and more early threats top (remember the time when Riven was everywhere and Irelia nowhere because basically everybody thought that if you can't dominate your lane you lose the game, whereas in fact Irelia can do fine against Riven after some levels).

*Oh and I forgot Renekton.. but everybody knows what's the deal here anyway :'<
 
yes omg. i have never gone below 200 ping. the lowest ping on LoL i have ever had is 203 or something if i am lucky.

I get 185 - 225 (depends what my brother is doing on the internet), but I think that's my internet being slightly better + I'm closer to the NA servers because I live in New South Wales. I get worse ping on the European servers. I wouldn't like an Australian server because queue times would be high and almost all of my friends play on NA. Mostly I just hate the lag spikes and packet loss; I think it's in good part my connection quality, but this Reddit post makes me think maybe there's some serverside elements, especially when team members and I simultaneously comment on the lag.

I hear that brs get yellow/orange ping even on their dedicated server. Apparently it's in Miami or something, although they might've moved it to Brazil now.

I don't think Irelia's ult is as strong as others, but it's all relative. Irelia has an extremely strong design and kit/passive. She can do basically everything; what her ult does is plenty useful considering how dumb it would be if she had something on par with (even new) Death Lotus or Crescendo. Like, I don't think it's a negative because her ult gives her things she needs and her passive is easily one of the strongest in the game. I just don't think it's a fair complaint to make. Although if you are looking for champs that press R and feel amazing and empowered, then obviously Irelia is not for you, because you press W for that.

In another life I'd be an Irelia main. I love watching Irelia players.
 
The funny part on Irelia is that she was meant to be a dedicated jungler when Riot created her.
She was created to counter the AoE CC metagame that was around by the time of her release. Since her passive is so good she's had to be nerfed ever since (although she was buffed slightly recently!)
 
Psh, why would you play any other Tanky DPS top other than Renekton?

Come trade with me bro. Better yet, I'll come to you and wreck you.
 
irelia sux and is always overrated, most generic champion in the game srsly she's so average and blasé in basically every regard

Honestly, more than half the champions in the game can jungle, it's just that many of them have traits that you want to take advantage of in lane (Karthus because he gets to late game terror status faster in mid, pre-nerf Ezreal abusing his Essence Flux AS debuff). It's usually things like Maokai and Mundo, whose kits are nothing to write home about in lane, who are sent into the jungle.

Everyone can jungle, just like everyone can lane anywhere. It's just a matter of how well. There's a good reason Veigar and Caitlyn aren't common junglers.

There aren't that many champions who call the jungle home because they're actively bad laners, though. Most junglers jungle because they're particularly good at jungling. The only ones that come to mind are "negative sustain" Mundo, who happens to be an excellent jungler anyway, and "naked Shen could out-push me" Fiddlesticks.
 
Irelia is only good if she gets a full build or close to full build. The best thing about her is her lane sustain capabilities, thanks to her passive and her W. She really isn't that great early-game, but if you can manage to hold on until mid-late game without dying to ganks and whatnot (a well-played Irelia hardly ever dies to ganks), then she becomes an absolute beast.

I'm relatively new to the game, only having played it for about 3 weeks and at level 23, but when I go top, I do choose Irelia - she's also a shitton of fun to play.

On another, unrelated note, what are people's opinion's of Lux AP mid? I've been doing that for a day or so now and I have to admit she's quite a fun champ to play. Sniping someone at max range is just SO satisfying. However, I've heard that she kinda falls of late-game. Thoughts?
 
Lux AP CAN be great.
But you need to keep in mind that when you "build" a team in League Of Legends you need to wonder "which role I will have to fufil during a team fight" and "can I actually lane against this enemy".

Lux is mostly poke, thus she can't be used everywhere. You need a team that can dis-engage a fight, else you'll get doomed in my opinion if you meet decent players.
Basically Lux is all about being able to maintain a fair distance from your enemies while trying to catch them with your spells to create a perfect room for engage, or just lower them enough to force them to run away from the fight, leaving you the objectives (turrets etc.)
However, compare the utility of a Lux and Cassiopea during a fight... Cassiopea is NON STOP HUGE damage, both in aoe and on a single target, paired with one of the most game breaking crowd controlling ultimate in the game.
However Cassiopea got "one blow" and needs to pur herself in risk given her low range.
Lux got GREAT range, and well, you can keep spamming untill you finally catch someone off guard.

I took opposite champions to make sure you understand my point.
Basically to help you to see what I mean, during the last world championship we saw alot of Lux.
Why?
Simply because of Jayce, who can dis-engage with his gate.
It also works with Shen, since Shen gives you free time to try to catch people thanks to his split pushing that forces the enemy to send someone defending (so they can't actually start a fight since it'd be turned into a 4v5 in the blink of an eye with Shen ultimate).

That's basically why heroes like Cassiopea, who was so popular and never been nerfed since -iirc-, have disapeared. More and more the ability to engage and create rooms for a perfect engage aswell as the ability to dis-engage has become important.
How can Cassiopea dis-engage? Ultimate? then you're "naked" for the next minute.
Whereas Lux, can just snare and lower the enemy team with her low cooldown spells.


So yes, enough chatting, Lux is good but think about what your team will have to do, how you will proceed during the team fights.
Champions like Cassiopea will carry far more than a Lux in the games you're gonna play. And Cassiopea is actually far better to farm and win a lane given the aggression you can make against your opponent.

So there is no "real better ap" or whatever, it's up to you to make this AP have a great role by figuring out what you'll need to do.

Hope it helped, Lux anyway is seriously funny to play with, she has decent ap ratio, she doesn't "fall of" like someone with poor ratio would, she's just not good during a team fight like Cassiopea, Morgana, Karthus things like that, would be.
But many people think she falls of because in late, there are almost only team fights.
Same as Leblanc, Leblanc doesn't fall of in late, she's just not meant to reach her potential during team fights, even if Lux is more an hybrid between an assassin as Leblanc or Fizz and a "team fight AP".
But if you mean by "fall of" being less good in late and not scale less well with items, then okay she kinda does, but again it depends on your team.
However if your enemies got an Amumu (for instance), it'll be hard for you to keep up because he just wont give a single fuck at you and flash/q then ultimate if he's not stupid, to make you feel the pain to be a Lux stuck in the Melee of a fight you didn't chose to engage.

*Oh, and you should try Nidalee AP, it's hard to pull of since your mates probably will have not a single clue about what it means to play the poke game, but it's even funnier than Lux and it's AN INSANE way to train your own skills (kinda like playing Ashe as ad) since you'll have to take care about your positionning, your mates' HP and your skill shots. Myself I love it, and it's really viable and game crushing against some teams that lack a good way to recover and to engage (yes.. few teams do enter in this case).
 
whoa people don't be ridiculous

irelia is a tournament-level champion; idk where all these "ghetto warwick" and "mediocre" comments are coming from because she's really fkin powerful

as soon as she hits level 5 her trade potential is enormous; her CSing is very easy, her utility is huge, her mid-game is one of the best of any top laner out there.

Udyr makes her life annoying early on but she can easily trade with him from level 7 onward. Renekton gets shit on as soon as she gets Tabi. Olaf, Darius, and Jax are the only matchups she has trouble with - in my personal experience, I've won almost every other lane.
 
Darius is not supposed to be a troublesome matchup, you'll get denied early but he can't trade with you later, like absolutly not if you grab some health and armor.

I'm surprised you can trade with an Udyr at level 7, the only reason Udyr gets not picked is because you can kite him like a **** during the teamfights, else he's a pure beast on lane.
Irelia got far less sustain than Udyr and he just does more damage in one hit. Besides, they got the same crow control power, both a stun.
You're only way to trade is to Q on him, stun him before Bear/Tiger, hit him once and run away. You just blow up shit tons of mana during the process and you need for this to be on lower or same HP than him.
Moreover Irelia got true damage, but Udyr got mixed damages.. so it's really hard to beat him by building defensive items.

I'm a big Udyr player, and I guess you're an Irelia player so this theroying wont lead us anywhere unless we play against each other ^^
But I doubt you meet that much Udyr top lane anymore, whereas I do meet Irelia top quite alot and very few players know what to do against an Udyr camping between your and the creeps with bear stance still on.
Imo you're just weaker to ganks, and you'll probably be less useful (because kitted) during team fights, but there is no way you can lose an 1v1.
And well, that's no surprise since Udyr is a top pick along with Cho gath and Yorick (my knowledge is a little outdated on the subject) during the 1v1 competitions, heroes like Irelia aren't picked alot here.

Not saying Udyr is better at all, it's just a gamble, do you think you'll be able to deny the Irelia enough. If you can't and if Irelia plays decently and remains patient for the ganks that Udyr has issues to avoid, she probably gonna catch up later during team fights thanks to her mobility. Or totally crush you if she gets a good help from jungler (because to me you need to deny her, so you can be exposed to ganks if the Irelia doesn't let you freeze the lane, that's what a good one will not let you do anyway).
 
Meh Lux doesn't really fall off lategame, since she can still one-two-three carries from full to 0 unless they have BV which is becoming rarer and rarer. Also she's ridiculously fun to play, yesterday I played a game as her with some smogoners and when the enemy Sona came to clear wards I put around mid (with an oracle's she JUST bought) I simply walked over, q+e+r'd her from over the wall and literally 100-0'd her. Holy shit it was so satisfying :D A good Lux can win games out of the smallest of mistakes the enemies carries make. All you need are good q's and positioning, since she has absolutely no escapes outside of flash and moves pretty damn slow. Also randomly ulting their blue when your enemy laner goes to get it and managing to steal it is wonderful.
 
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