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Cassi is ridiculous but she's really, really hard to play well - your mechanics need to be fucking amazing if you're gonna pull her off.

As someone who doesn't actually play Cassi that's really all I can say :/
 
shinyskarmory said:
Also, while I'm still up for today, what do you guys think of Cassieopeia? I was thinking of buying her since I don't have any real sustained damage AP champions (all I have are burst like ziggs and brand and utility APs like Kennen)
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Like others have said, Cass has the potential to have some of the highest damage output in the game, but her skillcap is quite high. She doesn't see a lot of tournament play because she is very high risk high reward: if you mess up you can be punished hard, but at the same time if you're good you can carry games.
 
I've always loved Revolver on Cass. It helps on 1v1's so much and it can help you turn ganks into trades or even 2 for 1's alongside your ult.

I should really play her more, she's so fun :/
 
I like Tear on Cass, she can stack new AA to Seraph very quickly, and with Revolver/Zhonyas/Rylai's she can be VERY deceptively tanky with that shield as well. If you want to try and burst her it will be a lot harder than you think and you will probably end up on the worse side of the exchange. Chalice works too. The people who say you don't need mana items on Cass are crazy, she needs one otherwise she just burns her mana pool out going through her skill rotation and spamming E, especially if she loses reliable access to blue.

Cassio's only problem is she just sucks vs ADs mid who can jump onto her - she punishes them for like 2 levels very hard but they can just get Flask and 10 pots and sustain it all off then once they have all 3 (or even 4) skills one shot her - for the same reason she's not popular in tourneys anymore. No escapes and no non-ult hard CC. She pushes like a boss if you play that way but has nothing to get her out of being ganked.

She also requires awareness, you need to land your poison if you want to fight or you may well die, you need to keep track of your passive stacks and you need to keep track of how much longer your poison is on a target, what direction they are facing to ult, if you're being ganked, has to be played more like an AD carry kiting, dropping Q and W to give her speed advantages then mashing E like ADs auto, and so on.

tl;dr Cass needs skill and awareness while having no non-ult CC to rescue her from poor play.
 
because you'll blow through your mana pool in no time and as it gets lower so does your damage, and seraph's embrace strengthens all her spells not just e
 
actually you may be right

i think i tunnel-visioned based on just how good muramana is on ryze but that's more because of the mana it proves than the 3% proc which is really icing on the cake at that point (plus ryze doesn't ever go mana hungry if he builds correctly)

in theory if you build grail on cass in conjunction with muramana then it should be pretty strong but the AP from seraph's probably outweighs it

thanks for enlightening me
 
Jebus McAzn said:
should we interpret this as "ziggs is a terrible champion" or "i'm terrible at ziggs"?
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A little bit of both. Wanted to try a new mid in ranked. Picked Ziggs. Got murdered in lane against an Elise despite me trying as hard as I possibly could. Had a really bad time.

Lost elo.

:(

I've seen Ziggs be good in the right hands, but I just think he's very bad in the current meta where bursty mages are pretty much worthless.
 
Isn't Cassiopeia's E hard coded as an AOE spell anyway so people can't abuse Rylais on her which means Muramana wouldn't work on it anyway?
 
according to the leaguepedia page, it's treated as an AoE spell but spell vamp works at 100% efficiency with it so

intuitively i'd still say muramana shouldn't actually work, making my theorycraft irrelevant

but someone will need to test this
 
Jebus McAzn said:
according to the leaguepedia page, it's treated as an AoE spell but spell vamp works at 100% efficiency with it so

intuitively i'd still say muramana shouldn't actually work, making my theorycraft irrelevant

but someone will need to test this
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I just tested this with a friend, who was playing as Cho'Gath. I got Rylai's first and tested the slow with both Cass's Q and her E. Both brought Cho'Gath down from 390 movespeed to 332 movespeed. I tested both waiting for the Q slow to wear off then E, and using both Q and E at the same time; both resulted in 332 movespeed.

Then once I finished Muramana, I tested her E with the item toggled off and on. Both times she only used 90 mana (rank 5 E).

So it seems that her E is considered as an aoe for everything except spellvamp? I didn't test spellvamp so I'm going to trust the wiki/your word on this.
 
FYI the wiki could've answered your guys' question. Though, being all the "AoE vs. single target matters" effects are new for season three (Liandry's, Muramana, Furor enchant, Gunblade's new Reload passive), it's possibly just an oversight because Guinsoo says fuk permaslowing. (Frozen Mallet is, for some reason, totally okay.) Now why they coded it in the first place as AoE and made an exception for it to work fully with spell vamp, rather than the other way around (coded single-target with an exception for Rylai's), is beyond me...

And not that I play her but I like Tear->AA on Cass. Passive or not, and it doesn't actually help that much because it forces you to continually cast spells (i.e. spend mana) just to keep it stacked, a couple rotations of E will run her down pretty quickly. RoA's health is redundant with Rylai's, which she loves, without the resists to back it up. Grail is bad because she doesn't give a shit about CDR like other casters. All that leaves among major mana itemization is Tear, which she stacks very quickly and loves the ginormous AP it eventually will grant.

Muramana is not used legitimately on any AP casters. Casters, yes. :P AP casters specifically, no.
 
Xephyr said:
A little bit of both. Wanted to try a new mid in ranked. Picked Ziggs. Got murdered in lane against an Elise despite me trying as hard as I possibly could. Had a really bad time.

Lost elo.

:(

I've seen Ziggs be good in the right hands, but I just think he's very bad in the current meta where bursty mages are pretty much worthless.
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lol dont give up on a champ because you lost the first time you used them. Afaik ziggs inst the kind of champ that you can pick up and be great with him instantly, and because he isnt used very often, you probably were not that familiar with his kit either which also makes it harder. Don't give up if you lost once with a champ, i would have no champs left to use if i thought like this
 
Mísery: thornmail!!
Emery xtc: well we lost bot pretty hard but lee fixed it
Emery xtc: with tornmail
Emery xtc: i dontk now how
Emery xtc: but ill take it
Emery xtc: gg

Thornmail + Hp Stacking vs Sivir, Renekton, and Rengar GG


Honestly, I think Banshee and Thornmail are the new item juggernauts.

Bruiser: Boots-Damage Item-Thornmail/Banshee-Thornmail/Banshee-Zephyr GG
 
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