Do you even read One Piece?
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Do you even read One Piece?
Why yes i do. If i recall correctly i got you into this series haha. Although it'd be better if you said something about One Piece that i can debate.
For example, Ussops fighting style. Is he a long rane fighter even though all his fights were decided up close? Mostly through gimmicks. However, during Ennies Lobby it was basically said Ussops strenght is long range. He just hasn't gotten the opportunity to fight such an opponent. And thats why i always applaud Ussops endurance. Its insane for someone who should specialize in throwing stuff far away.
Or you could be talking about the CoA thing. But again, i'm not a mind reader. Yes i can't read even yours, despite our history.
No, it was not you who got me into the series. I had been thinking about reading it for a long while, and in fact your immense praise of this series and your general propensity for historically horrible opinions and bad assessments steered me away from it.
Neither here nor there, though.
I asked the question because with that sentence you implied that Armament Haki is only useful for close range fighting as if you completely forgot that we had seen Haki Imbued projectiles on Amazon Lily. For a Sniper that would be an amazing offensive asset. Later in that same post you talked about Observational Haki being better for him, as if you were completely unaware of the fact that Haki is not mutually exclusive. He can in fact learn both and use both well. Furthermore, you act as if he's completely limited in what he can use as ammunition and he can never pick up anything new with which he can imbue with Haki.
And I mean this is just the fundamental problems of ONE POST. This is really an ongoing thing you have in many of your posts, where you make completely baseless statements and act as if they're accepted fact. I think it'd be greatly appreciated if you could actually attempt to use basic critical thinking and reasoning in your future posts.
Not the way i remember it. But to be fair that was a long time ago. Before i get to the actual OP stuff, everything i say is opinion. And i make it obvious in all my posts. Although i may be too subtle about it, so i understand the confusion.
CoA and CoO are to some characters mutually exclusive. Or their natural affinity for one over the other basically causes this. Raleigh said that some may be more skilled with a type of Haki. So yes, there is a chance Ussop can be a CoO God yet have negligible CoA ability. Again, the subtlety of my posts may have confused you a bit. But i was implying Ussop would be a CoO specialist unable to do much of anything with his underdeveloped CoA.
Ussop, as stated by Oda is the weakest SH member. Now we won't debate the validity of that statement in current OP(hint, its pointless/impossible to debate). What that means is that there are characters who competely outclass Ussop. CoA would give his offensive capabilities a huge boost, but otherwise keep him where he is at. In terms of SH power rankings. Because even if you don't want to admit it the SHs are separated by strength. Moreso than fighting styles. Ussop even with CoA would remain the weakest SH. All his opponents would scale to his level(this is done to make the story interesting) and he'd basically remain the same. Not being able to beat anyone he couldn't have beaten without Haki. Always fighting the weakest opponent, whether hes a Haki master or as he is now.
He IS limited in what he can use. He can only throw what he has. And right now its mostly plants and fire. I can't recall if he has thrown anything made out of metal(the only thing we can even begin to theorize can be imbued with haki). If you want to completely change the character so that he can use a certain type of attack go ahead. However current Ussops weapons don't mesh well with Haki. But again, if it so pleases you go ahead and change everything about him so he can FINALLY use haki. Like learn how to fight with a gun, or add a whole different arsenal type to his repertoire. Actually just go ahead and change his name while you are at it.
This quote should be punishable by the chair. What Oda meant was, pre-timeskip, Usopp was physically the least powerful. As in, if they had a weight lifting competition, he would've came in last. This has nothing to do with fighting ability at all.
Do you really want to start this??? Please link me to where he said exactly that. But like I said above you can't and it's pointless. Debating this quote is one of the forbidden 3 OP topics. So lets leave it here. But I fully agree that it should be punishable by the chair. I've gotten destroyed in many arguments thanks to this stupid quote.
What are the other 2? And if it's really forbidden then why did you try to bait me into an argument over it?
Didn't try to bait anyone actually. In the first post where I mentioned it I gave fair warning: DO NOT TRY TO DEBATE THIS.
The other two are "y character is overrated, x character is underrated" and the chaos this damn loop creates. The third and final one is Enel being Admiral level. An argument I refuse to take part of, other than to call the other side retarted and leave. The only argument that has ever caused me to insult another living being in an OP thread.
How are those forbidden? The former could be solved with a simple "I respectfully disagree", and the latter is kinda null because Oda said he'd be worth 500 mil, which is barely above Kidd right now.
First off, the word "opinion" is not a "Get Out of Criticism Free" card. Second, there is a vast difference between having an opinion, and being an idiot.
To start: Armament and Observational Haki simply are not mutually exclusive. Period. For anyone. Can you be better at one and weak at the other? Sure. That doesn't mean Usopp is. And to be clear, assuming that he is a certain way and then basing your later statements on this baseless assumption doesn't make you subtle, it makes you a moron.
Now you consistently maintain that even with Armament Haki he wouldn't be able to beat anyone that he couldn't beat before. I'm honestly curious as to how you could actually read and understand this manga and still say that. With strong enough Armament Haki he can wipe out a pacifista with a pebble. This is something he definitely cannot do without Haki.
Also:
This is coming from you, who is the one making baseless assumptions about the characters and their capabilities, and from there formulating your opinions.
To start: Armament and Observational Haki simply are not mutually exclusive. Period. For anyone. Can you be better at one and weak at the other? Sure. That doesn't mean Usopp is. And to be clear, assuming that he is a certain way and then basing your later statements on this baseless assumption doesn't make you subtle, it makes you a moron.
Now you consistently maintain that even with Armament Haki he wouldn't be able to beat anyone that he couldn't beat before. I'm honestly curious as to how you could actually read and understand this manga and still say that. With strong enough Armament Haki he can wipe out a pacifista with a pebble. This is something he definitely cannot do without Haki.
Also:
This is coming from you, who is the one making baseless assumptions about the characters and their capabilities, and from there formulating your opinions.
While these two file for divorce I'm going to jump back a few pages; does Burgess know Haki, yes or no? What do you think? I personally think her does, there's no way Blackbeard wouldn't teach it to them now that they're part of one of the most powerful pirate crews in the world.
This will be my final post on this topic. As i'm not one to take arguments into petty squabbles.
Resorting to name calling is the first sign of defeat. Welcome to it.
Again, defeat. But i'll indulge you as it's my last post on the matter and it would be a shame to have made you type all this without a response. I never said he was. I said he could be. There is a difference there.
Talk about baseless assumptions? I'll leave it at that on this point as I can't respond to this without sounding rude.
Look at above. You yourself made a baseless assumption in saying Haki powered Ussop would defeat a Pacifista with a pebble.
The lesson here is that this whole thread is an opinion. Everything you say is opinion. No more right than anything I say. It's a manga we all love and we should learn to deal with others who share a different view without the need to resort to insults. I thought better of you my old friend, but I was wrong. Much love tehvalk, much love.
Please read that again. Now think of what happens when someone thinks they are clearly right and won't change their mind about it. Now read it again. Those arguments only cause chaos and destruction and are better left off never to be discussed except by people who know the power they wield.
Resorting to name calling is the first sign of defeat. Welcome to it.
Again, defeat. But i'll indulge you as it's my last post on the matter and it would be a shame to have made you type all this without a response. I never said he was. I said he could be. There is a difference there.
Talk about baseless assumptions? I'll leave it at that on this point as I can't respond to this without sounding rude.
Look at above. You yourself made a baseless assumption in saying Haki powered Ussop would defeat a Pacifista with a pebble.
The lesson here is that this whole thread is an opinion. Everything you say is opinion. No more right than anything I say. It's a manga we all love and we should learn to deal with others who share a different view without the need to resort to insults. I thought better of you my old friend, but I was wrong. Much love tehvalk, much love.
Please read that again. Now think of what happens when someone thinks they are clearly right and won't change their mind about it. Now read it again. Those arguments only cause chaos and destruction and are better left off never to be discussed except by people who know the power they wield.
Normally I'd be inclined to agree, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to One Piece.
You guys suck...ruining my thread...
So to steer convo away from some hero + drrobotnik pissing off half of everyone else, tallies for the bellamy vs. bartolomeo count stand at:
Aldaron - Bellamy
The Valkeryies - Bartolomeo (not letting you switch...bitch)
Atlas - Bartolomeo
General Spoon - Other
Alexwolf - Bartolomeo
Texas Cloverleaf - Bellamy
X5Dragon - Bellamy
yondie - Bellamy
Dr.Robotnik - Bartolomeo
New World Order - Bartolomeo
Choutoshio - Bellamy
Locopoke - Bellamy
MikeDecIsHere - Bellamy
Pernicious - Bellamy
tehy - Bellamy
stathakis - Bellamy (I think you said you switched)
some hero - Bartolomeo
Coronis - Bellamy
panamaxis - Bellamy
Steamroll - Bellamy
Vein - Bartolomeo
Jimbo - Bartolomeo
franky - Bartolomeo
Ace Emerald - Bellamy
mien - Bartolomeo
tangerine - bartolomeo
crux - bartolomeo
tfc - bellamy
Need votes from Satisfaction / Mario With Lasers / zoro whoever else is a regular reader / poster
Current count is 15 Bellamy and 12 Bartolomeo
Let's go newly discovered / respect for dreams (bellamy) vs. punk ass brutal new kid (bart) !!!
(btw smogon is a lot more pro bellamy than other op forums i visit...it's mostly 80%+ for pro bartolomeo on those forums)
So to steer convo away from some hero + drrobotnik pissing off half of everyone else, tallies for the bellamy vs. bartolomeo count stand at:
Aldaron - Bellamy
The Valkeryies - Bartolomeo (not letting you switch...bitch)
Atlas - Bartolomeo
General Spoon - Other
Alexwolf - Bartolomeo
Texas Cloverleaf - Bellamy
X5Dragon - Bellamy
yondie - Bellamy
Dr.Robotnik - Bartolomeo
New World Order - Bartolomeo
Choutoshio - Bellamy
Locopoke - Bellamy
MikeDecIsHere - Bellamy
Pernicious - Bellamy
tehy - Bellamy
stathakis - Bellamy (I think you said you switched)
some hero - Bartolomeo
Coronis - Bellamy
panamaxis - Bellamy
Steamroll - Bellamy
Vein - Bartolomeo
Jimbo - Bartolomeo
franky - Bartolomeo
Ace Emerald - Bellamy
mien - Bartolomeo
tangerine - bartolomeo
crux - bartolomeo
tfc - bellamy
Need votes from Satisfaction / Mario With Lasers / zoro whoever else is a regular reader / poster
Current count is 15 Bellamy and 12 Bartolomeo
Let's go newly discovered / respect for dreams (bellamy) vs. punk ass brutal new kid (bart) !!!
(btw smogon is a lot more pro bellamy than other op forums i visit...it's mostly 80%+ for pro bartolomeo on those forums)
I reread the last chapter and now I'm convinced this round's going to Bellamy.
Forget the whole dreams and such, which does factor into my argument
Bellamy is just such a more interesting character. What do we even know about Bartolomeo except that he grilled pirates on skewers and that he's a pirate in the new world? With Bellamy, we know so much more. He's partly more interesting because of his dreams and conviction but just in general, I prefer to see more Bellamy than more Bart.
my point being, why would any author make the less interesting character win? It's way better for everyone to have Bellamy win. Oh, and if he really didn't want him to win... then he wouldn't have sent him to Skypeia.
Edit: What he said.
Bart's character as of right now looks pretty one-dimensional and unable to go any further, because anyone who grills pirates on skewers can't be secretly good. He could be a complex bad guy, I guess, but that's unlikely in general and because this arc already has a main villain.
Bellamy is just such a more interesting character. What do we even know about Bartolomeo except that he grilled pirates on skewers and that he's a pirate in the new world? With Bellamy, we know so much more. He's partly more interesting because of his dreams and conviction but just in general, I prefer to see more Bellamy than more Bart.
my point being, why would any author make the less interesting character win? It's way better for everyone to have Bellamy win. Oh, and if he really didn't want him to win... then he wouldn't have sent him to Skypeia.
Edit: What he said.
Bart's character as of right now looks pretty one-dimensional and unable to go any further, because anyone who grills pirates on skewers can't be secretly good. He could be a complex bad guy, I guess, but that's unlikely in general and because this arc already has a main villain.
You only think Bellamy is more interesting because hes been around for 7+ years. On the other hand Bart has been around for a chapter or two. Hence why he doesn't appear that interesting.
To answer your question, an author would have that character win to give him more opportunities to become interesting. The character would truly be wasted if he was hyped just so that he can be beaten by someone else a chapter later.
Bellamy's more interesting because we see a character who's experienced growth and has shown great potential for further growth, while Bart is Donte.
My vote goes to Barto, because I think that Bellamy would be more tragic and able to be redeemed if he loses and luffy takes revenge for him (like Ueki vs Robert when Robert beat BJ).
Also I remember hearing that there was speculation the new nakama would be a former boss I had always assumed that was referring to boss Jinbei but could it have been in regard to bellamy who was for all purpose sake the boss of the jaya arc? At the moment he does seem like he's going to be redeemed, his past must have had some tragedy that made him give up on dreams, and while i can't think of any actual purpose he'd have on the crew interaction with nami and zolo would be pretty nice, also being used to having girls at his feet would be a nice contrast from sanji & brooks general behavior towards woman. I don't actually recall Oda mentioning the boss thing in an SBS it was just something I read on another forum, but if its true I think Bellamy certainly qualifies
Also I remember hearing that there was speculation the new nakama would be a former boss I had always assumed that was referring to boss Jinbei but could it have been in regard to bellamy who was for all purpose sake the boss of the jaya arc? At the moment he does seem like he's going to be redeemed, his past must have had some tragedy that made him give up on dreams, and while i can't think of any actual purpose he'd have on the crew interaction with nami and zolo would be pretty nice, also being used to having girls at his feet would be a nice contrast from sanji & brooks general behavior towards woman. I don't actually recall Oda mentioning the boss thing in an SBS it was just something I read on another forum, but if its true I think Bellamy certainly qualifies
We don't know that. We don't know whether or not he's become that much better of a person. I think he's not that bad anymore and he was just fucking with Luffy about the Skypieans, but, then again, he still works for Dofla.