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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition
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I am in a hurry so I cannot see if anything else is wrong (honestly Schaub is worse so I can agree to Texans)
To be honest, MOST teams(except Packers, Patriots or Broncos) would take a LOOK. Give a CALL. That doesn't mean they'd make the trade. I put the Seahawks in that category. And i only placed the Boys there because JJ would make a deal like that. Not this offseason since he put all his money on Romo this year, but he could easily get disillusioned by next year and make the trade. Remember, in 2011 JJ said Eli is the difference between the Boys and Giants. Whether thats true or not is irrelevant(as is fans opinion) all that matter is JJ and his wacky moves. So yeah, i could see the Cowboys wanting to trade for Eli.
Forgot to say it, but its official: the Giants don't value the LB position. Even though it was their biggest need, they didn't draft a single one. Not even a fifth/seventh round pick on some no name guy. It was known they didn't think much of the position before the draft, but it was like a statement. Lets just hope their focus on the DL this offseason makes the talent at LB irrelevant.
I know, it shouldn't but it does(imo ONLY). Too high, traded up for an unproven player. And yes i agree with most of what you said, should have gone with LJ(if only to keep him away from the Eggs) but soory i don't see DJ as being a consistent player. Even if that image was unfairly created by the horrendous O defense. The Dolphins know better than me like you said, so whatever. So to summarize, one pick can ruin a draft unless you get a late round diamond. But thats all luck so yeah.
I know, it shouldn't but it does(imo ONLY). Too high, traded up for an unproven player. And yes i agree with most of what you said, should have gone with LJ(if only to keep him away from the Eggs) but soory i don't see DJ as being a consistent player. Even if that image was unfairly created by the horrendous O defense. The Dolphins know better than me like you said, so whatever. So to summarize, one pick can ruin a draft unless you get a late round diamond. But thats all luck so yeah.
the Seahawks just had the greatest hype season for a young QB they could possibly have, why the fuck would they discuss trading for Eli...your implication was teams that need Eli enough to give something up, the Giants would be the team to give something up to swap Eli for Wilson right now
I guess the Browns are content to losing this year when they didn't do much for their offense except getting Devone Bess from the Dolphins who is just average. Then they trade away their picks this year for picks next year. Maybe Chud can improve Weeden scheme wise this year but they clearly throwing this year away. Good old Cleveland, just keeping lowering the expectations.
#1 overall pick, two time super bowl MVP, top 10 QB traded so Nassib can replace him????????????? So many false facts in that statement at the top so instead of calling you out on each of them I'll leave you with my initial reaction:
Clown for Clowney!
Outside of the Cleveland Steamers, AFC North had the strongest draft this year. Steelers, Ravens, and Bengals did very well. NFC West and South did well too, those 3 stuck out to me.
I hate to be a homer but getting David Amerson in the low 2nd (when he has legit top 10 talent and fell off due to pressing for INTs and getting burned, something easily fixed by coaching), Phillip Thomas with a low 4th (when he's easily 2nd round value), Brandon Jenkins in the 5th round (better than both Werner and Carradine when healthy) and Bacarri Rambo in the 6th (why are bums and projects like JJ Wilcox and some guy from Stanford going over a turnover machine like Rambo) is monster value. Only negative is that a lot of them have rather obvious risks such as injury but if you swing for the fences and only hit 2 or 3, that's better than hitting on a bunch of mediocre players/fringe starters.
Brandon Jenkins is most certainly not better then Bjoern Werner ever. Werner was always better and Jenkins got hurt ALL THE TIME. I'll agree Amerson has potential to be a top 10 pick, but he was absolutely horrible last year (like not even draftable). His 2011 season where he had 13 interceptions leaves hope though. Thomas was a good pick, I don't think there's any downside there.
No mention of Jordan Reed? That man is like an Aaron Hernandez clone. Not great at blocking, but he'll be perfect as a RB/TE/WR hybrid like how New England uses Hernandez. I think he's a great fit for Washington.
some hero is an Eli Manning fan first. I can see why he's fallen for that hunkalicious manatee too <3
Eli is not Peyton, and we were not interested in Peyton.
our new GM and HC let former starters hit free agency because he doesn't want old expensive players, he wants new young talent that is affordable.
so basically you know nothing.
What you said makes no sense. Firstly, your "new" staff didn't deal with the Peyton situation. Second, Peyton wasn't interested in the Jags. Third, you can have all the young players you want, but if you don't have a QB enjoy 8-8 best case scenario seasons.
BREAKING NEWS.
not sure why you put new in "quotes".
and obviously you need a QB to be successful.
but an aging veteran for $100m is not, at least in the Jags estimation, the way to acquire one.
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on that list, i think the only teams that might even be interested are the Jets, Eagles, Browns and Raiders. MAYBE the Bills.
Watch the film and see who drew the double teams when they played together (hint: it was Jenkins in 2011 by a mile, and Carradine in 2012, again by a mile). Werner is a nice player, and the best run stopper of the trio, but as a pass rusher it's Jenkins, then Carradine, then Werner.
Jenkins is pretty bad against the run though, but he's not gonna be the starter anyway so it's cool. Hopefully we can develop him there.
You're exaggerating on Amerson. Amerson played well below his talent level (but still had 5 INTs) but a lot of the bad rep was due to some awful splash plays where he gambled and lost. However, undraftable is a stretch. He wasn't burned every single play.
Also, the last time we drafted someone with incredible underclassman tape and then bad tape next year? Trent Williams. I dunno if I posted it here, but I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATEEEEEEEEED the Trent Williams pick. I thought he wasn't even a first rounder because he looked erratic at LT after moving from RT (though he was still an All-American). Now Trent is a top 5-10 lineman in football (Duane Brown, Mike Iupati, Joe Staley is an example of guys that are better)
I love Reed - yep, everyone is making the Aaron Hernandez comparison. I was mostly talking about value though. Reed was picked right where he should have gone, unlike Amerson, Thomas, and Rambo (rofl at the guys who got picked at SAF over him).
I'm just wondering, have you watched the tape??? or are you just spouting some nonsense that you've read on a Redskins fansite (I don't mean this in an attacking tone so don't misread it).
If Brandon Jenkins was that good, he would have gone in higher. Tank Carradine only started one year (this year after jenkins went down) and tore his ACL yet was still a top 35 pick. Another example would be DJ Hayden, who nearly died, and still got drafted top 15. Or maybe Marcus Lattimore who tore his ACL and then his entire knee up, but was still a round 4 selection. Jenkins is a solid pass rusher, but he was no where near the player Werner was in college. As far as Amerson goes, if you watched him versus Clemson or Tennessee (the schools were he faced NFL caliber opponents at wide receiver), you'll see him get burned for touchdown after touchdown deep. (kinda like corey webster last year). It was actually pathetic. However, with good coaching he can probably get past that and be solid in the NFL.
Trent is probably a top 10 offensive tackle in the NFL yes, but he was someone who had upside + provided college tape that warranted a top 5 selection.
If Brandon Jenkins was that good, he would have gone in higher. Tank Carradine only started one year (this year after jenkins went down) and tore his ACL yet was still a top 35 pick. Another example would be DJ Hayden, who nearly died, and still got drafted top 15. Or maybe Marcus Lattimore who tore his ACL and then his entire knee up, but was still a round 4 selection. Jenkins is a solid pass rusher, but he was no where near the player Werner was in college. As far as Amerson goes, if you watched him versus Clemson or Tennessee (the schools were he faced NFL caliber opponents at wide receiver), you'll see him get burned for touchdown after touchdown deep. (kinda like corey webster last year). It was actually pathetic. However, with good coaching he can probably get past that and be solid in the NFL.
Trent is probably a top 10 offensive tackle in the NFL yes, but he was someone who had upside + provided college tape that warranted a top 5 selection.
Yeah lol. As far as pass rushing goes I'd rank them Tank>Werner>Jenkins. Werner is probably the best overall of the three because he is better against the run.
Anyways, I give the Falcons a solid B for this draft. Trufant and Alford are both versatile, fast corners with loads of athleticism and potential. Malliciah Goodman is a freak of nature with arms in excess of 36 inches and 11 inch hands. He had 7 sacks over his last 7 games but he's still pretty raw. Levine Trololo is a 6'8 former power forward that's also raw. Maponga is a pure pass rusher who destroys everything, but he's undersized. Kemal... I know nothing about him other than he is a sure tackler. Motta is a freakin steal. I think Nolan will try to incorporate him as the big nickel to cover tight ends. That duke qb is competing for the no.3 spot.
I think I would've given this an A if the freakin Ravens didn't jump us to take Arthur Brown ;-:
Anyways, I give the Falcons a solid B for this draft. Trufant and Alford are both versatile, fast corners with loads of athleticism and potential. Malliciah Goodman is a freak of nature with arms in excess of 36 inches and 11 inch hands. He had 7 sacks over his last 7 games but he's still pretty raw. Levine Trololo is a 6'8 former power forward that's also raw. Maponga is a pure pass rusher who destroys everything, but he's undersized. Kemal... I know nothing about him other than he is a sure tackler. Motta is a freakin steal. I think Nolan will try to incorporate him as the big nickel to cover tight ends. That duke qb is competing for the no.3 spot.
I think I would've given this an A if the freakin Ravens didn't jump us to take Arthur Brown ;-:
This is never, ever a reason.
NFL scouts and GMs are basically throwing darts at a high-tech dartboard, and nothing is ever exact.
Surely no one has to mention he-who-must-not-be-named, right?
Given how many undrafted or D-2 players turn into superstars, you would think people would stop giving the draft so much attention. Certain general things (like amount of offensive lineman taken rounds 1-3) show a great general correlation to success. Besides that what the fuck is meaningful about it?
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