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The Everything NHL Thread
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Brendan Shanahan makes Colin Campbell look like a good disciplinarian. Yes I went there. In any case, the SJS+LA game was freaking intense.
I'm definitely a fan of this suspension. Torres needs to take some hitting lessons or something.
The major issue here is the lack of consistency from Shanahan. ALL hits to the head should be suspendable on a tiered level. It's the best way to remove those types of hits from the game completely. First offense: 1 game. Second offense: 3 games. Third offense: 7 games. Eventually people will stop making stupid hits. Just because you aren't explicitly targeting the head doesn't mean it's a safe or respectable hit. Players need to make more responsible hits in general. They shouldn't go for a big hit unless they know for certain that it will be a clean body check.
The major issue here is the lack of consistency from Shanahan. ALL hits to the head should be suspendable on a tiered level. It's the best way to remove those types of hits from the game completely. First offense: 1 game. Second offense: 3 games. Third offense: 7 games. Eventually people will stop making stupid hits. Just because you aren't explicitly targeting the head doesn't mean it's a safe or respectable hit. Players need to make more responsible hits in general. They shouldn't go for a big hit unless they know for certain that it will be a clean body check.
The only bad thing about playoff hockey is that it's only on NBC after the first round. How many times can that idiot announcer mispronounce "Marchand" and "Seguin" in a different way each time before someone fucking corrects him? This coverage completely sucks. Give me Jack Edwards and NESN back for the love of god
That's pretty easy to say when you don't have millions of dollars and your job depending on stopping the best players in the world from scoring! Also I'm curious about what happens in your system when players who skate with their head down cause a clean hit to become life-threatening.
It wasn't fishy at all. Just a rare happening, and an incredible game. Nobody came out after the game saying that there were any missed penalties or anything like that either
No Bruins fan is allowed to complain about the refs. We would have been shorthanded the whole game if the refs called that game by the books. Marchand alone sacktapped the Rangers captain and punched del Zotto (IIRC) right in the face crossing the blue line, among other things I probably missed from him that didn't get called. There will be plenty of "missed penalties" for both of these physical teams in this series, I guarantee that. So get your phones ready to call the waaambulance
Agreed. Lundqvist played like trash the whole game and somehow came out with 45 saves. The Bruins legitimately beat him a dozen times in that game, scoring 3 goals with at least 6 post hits. I don't think he was expecting to see that many shots, he looked more tired than the skaters TBH.
That's pretty easy to say when you don't have millions of dollars and your job depending on stopping the best players in the world from scoring! Also I'm curious about what happens in your system when players who skate with their head down cause a clean hit to become life-threatening.
It wasn't fishy at all. Just a rare happening, and an incredible game. Nobody came out after the game saying that there were any missed penalties or anything like that either
No Bruins fan is allowed to complain about the refs. We would have been shorthanded the whole game if the refs called that game by the books. Marchand alone sacktapped the Rangers captain and punched del Zotto (IIRC) right in the face crossing the blue line, among other things I probably missed from him that didn't get called. There will be plenty of "missed penalties" for both of these physical teams in this series, I guarantee that. So get your phones ready to call the waaambulance
Agreed. Lundqvist played like trash the whole game and somehow came out with 45 saves. The Bruins legitimately beat him a dozen times in that game, scoring 3 goals with at least 6 post hits. I don't think he was expecting to see that many shots, he looked more tired than the skaters TBH.
Don't like the Bruins? Give me an avid Rangers fan then. Anyone with emotion ffs. There has to be SOMEONE at NBC who knows how to pronounce "Marchand", someone get him a suit and mic RIGHT NOW
Even when you don't read my posts, they still impact your life enough to make a reply. I didn't realize I still had that kind of sway here. Thank you for brightening my day :)
Even when you don't read my posts, they still impact your life enough to make a reply. I didn't realize I still had that kind of sway here. Thank you for brightening my day :)
It's easy to not hit a guy in the head when their head is down. A guy skating with his head down still has a good 5-6' of hitting space that isn't his head. It isn't like skaters are bending down sucking their own dicks.
Examples of how to hit a player with their head down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlSbP-59j60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aV7HzSYacw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8M2SNe6siA
Example of how not to hit a player with their head down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYIVJUbrgA
I was thinking more like the Lindros hit by Stevens, where nobody in the world could have avoided nailing his head without giving up a breakaway chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVeqzYgTELk
The first video is a nice example, although Giroux came from behind Crosby and hit him as he turned perfectly. It was easy for him to plant the hit on the shoulder. The second clip was a goalie taking out someone's legs with a full-body dive...and Hasek was rightfully called for a penalty on that hit. I don't see how that is relevant here.
Uhh...the Stevens hit is about as dirty as they get. How can you have respect for the game when you take a good 10-15 full speed strides and hit somebody up high? The purpose of a hit is to separate a skater from the puck. All you have to do is stick out your arms and push the guy... Even if Lindros had his head as high as possible, it still would've been a ridiculously dirty hit. I'm pretty sure sticking your elbow out as far as possible has nothing to do with the other skater putting themselves in a vulnerable position.
Something I think is interesting in reference to Detroit:
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Age of the Red Wings players organized by line/position. Still not a young team by any stretch, but would wager some of those numbers are lower than many people expect.
Italicized numbers have a positive +/-, bold numbers have 4 or more points.
The second line has been pretty underwhelming (Franzen-Flippula-Cleary). Even though they all got the bold there, they average only 5 points over 9 games per player and average a little worse than a -2, which isn't exactly a cup-contending performance for a scoring line. I would expect that line will change quickly in the next year or two with the latter two contracts both ending this year. Cleary has had a pretty strong playoffs (6 points and -1), but I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit lets Fill walk given that he's been poised to breakout for about 10 years now and Cleary probably needs a reduction in his role given his usual irrelevance. Franzen is what's going to hold Detroit back some in the current top 6 -- 4m a year is a joke cap hit, but given that he's already not being super productive it's pretty scary to see him signed until he's 40.
Still, Detroit has to feel good about most of the younger guys here. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall aging will hurt sooner rather than later, but the rookie line (line 3, which still has an average age of almost 25...) has been pretty productive. While 3 in 9 isn't anything to be writing home about, Smith, Ericsson, and Kindl on D and Nyquist and Andersson up front are all scoring at that pace, so the younger guys are contributing pretty well in spite of limited ice time and a lack of playoff experience. Smith os kind of the question mark here since Detroit probably can't be good in the next few years unless he is, but he's at least having enough good moments to even out the awful ones right now. It's worth noting Detroit's 2nd best defenseman is probably Danny DeKeyser, who hasn't really played at all in the playoffs because of injury (and is 23 hismelf).
Given that Detroit's AHL team is a game away from the AHL conference finals and has some scoring types on it like Tatar(who I expected to see this year) and Jurco, this might actually kinda work out, especially since Detroit probably needs to replace Cleary and Fill on the second line between those two and the current third line. Detroit could definitely have a team next year that doesn't have anyone older than 30 but the three players wearing letters outside of the bottom line/pairing... and Franzens 8000 year contract.
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Age of the Red Wings players organized by line/position. Still not a young team by any stretch, but would wager some of those numbers are lower than many people expect.
Italicized numbers have a positive +/-, bold numbers have 4 or more points.
The second line has been pretty underwhelming (Franzen-Flippula-Cleary). Even though they all got the bold there, they average only 5 points over 9 games per player and average a little worse than a -2, which isn't exactly a cup-contending performance for a scoring line. I would expect that line will change quickly in the next year or two with the latter two contracts both ending this year. Cleary has had a pretty strong playoffs (6 points and -1), but I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit lets Fill walk given that he's been poised to breakout for about 10 years now and Cleary probably needs a reduction in his role given his usual irrelevance. Franzen is what's going to hold Detroit back some in the current top 6 -- 4m a year is a joke cap hit, but given that he's already not being super productive it's pretty scary to see him signed until he's 40.
Still, Detroit has to feel good about most of the younger guys here. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall aging will hurt sooner rather than later, but the rookie line (line 3, which still has an average age of almost 25...) has been pretty productive. While 3 in 9 isn't anything to be writing home about, Smith, Ericsson, and Kindl on D and Nyquist and Andersson up front are all scoring at that pace, so the younger guys are contributing pretty well in spite of limited ice time and a lack of playoff experience. Smith os kind of the question mark here since Detroit probably can't be good in the next few years unless he is, but he's at least having enough good moments to even out the awful ones right now. It's worth noting Detroit's 2nd best defenseman is probably Danny DeKeyser, who hasn't really played at all in the playoffs because of injury (and is 23 hismelf).
Given that Detroit's AHL team is a game away from the AHL conference finals and has some scoring types on it like Tatar(who I expected to see this year) and Jurco, this might actually kinda work out, especially since Detroit probably needs to replace Cleary and Fill on the second line between those two and the current third line. Detroit could definitely have a team next year that doesn't have anyone older than 30 but the three players wearing letters outside of the bottom line/pairing... and Franzens 8000 year contract.
So we can just throw out the window all the careers Stevens ruined/ended, simply because the hits weren't illegal at the time? I disagree. Stevens was a headhunter, and there was a reason nobody else was known for those hits: nobody else had such a lack of respect for opposing players that they'd hit them that way.
This is my favorite hit of all time, and today this would probably earn a suspension (sadly, I can't see putting this on the hitter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDKXzfbrYE
It has begun! Patrick Roy is the new head coach of the Avs.
The Dallas Stars will reveal a new look on June 4th. But I have it for you ahead of time. :D
That's the real thing. It eliminates gold that's been part of the California Golden Seals, and the Minnesota North Starts since '67.
Predictions:
Western Conference Finals
Los Angeles v. Detroit
Easter Conference Finals
Pittsburgh v. Boston
PENS WIN!
Western Conference Finals
Los Angeles v. Detroit
Easter Conference Finals
Pittsburgh v. Boston
PENS WIN!
I like that logo a lot.
I just wish the jerseys aren't completely black.
Will likely very easily beat their no-logo jersey :
Also, the Golden Seals and the North Stars were not the same franchise.
Also, who makes conference finals predictions when every single series has gone past 5 games? :(
Final edit : Looks like the Seals (Barons) were merged into the North Stars. I didn't know that.
I just wish the jerseys aren't completely black.
Will likely very easily beat their no-logo jersey :
Also, the Golden Seals and the North Stars were not the same franchise.
Also, who makes conference finals predictions when every single series has gone past 5 games? :(
Final edit : Looks like the Seals (Barons) were merged into the North Stars. I didn't know that.
The Dallas Stars will reveal a new look on June 4th. But I have it for you ahead of time. :D
First thing I thought of:
The logo is a lot worse than the original star logo but it easily beats their current crap.
I really miss these jerseys:
I like that logo a lot.
I just wish the jerseys aren't completely black.
Will likely very easily beat their no-logo jersey :
Also, the Golden Seals and the North Stars were not the same franchise.
Also, who makes conference finals predictions when every single series has gone past 5 games? :(
Final edit : Looks like the Seals (Barons) were merged into the North Stars. I didn't know that.
Meh, I make my non-season predictions based on how a series turns during game 5's actually, lol. Even though Detroit & Boston haven't played a game 5 as of now, but it is unlikely what happened to Boston in 2010 will happen now.
Also does anyone remember the "Mooterus" jersey?
I have mixed feelings about the new logo. I mean, it's nice that they've kept the same "North Star" shape since they joined in '67, but the 'D' kind of distorts the outline. I think it's better than the no-logo jersey which honestly should be like the Islanders, an alternate. Which it may very well be in 13-14. Also small rumors are appearing that either this uniform (North Stars unused jersey) will be what the new jerseys are inspired from. Just with a RBK Edge update, and the new logo of course.
