Hmph. ... Anyone know of a character in TP that does kidnapping?
Yeah I intended on adding that possibility at the end, then forgot, then was gonna double post to add it, but decided against it, so yeah. Another likely option, but at least a hint of the evidence behind that post would be nice to know. I'm curious as to whether Obbmud is truly a confirmed (or at least close to it) villager or if that's just a guess.Blackhawk11, I think that Metal Sonic's "seal of approval" was nothing more than MS' opinion on obbmud99, since Metal Sonic is the kinda guy who would give no evidence whatsoever.
Even quoted in my reasoning! :PI have already stated my reasons why to vote Cereza. This is in no way a bandwagon vote. Cereza has been playing very passively, and non-aggresive. She didn't even vote round one! I simply forgot to vote for her before. (thanks for reminding me)
Lynch Cereza
So I think that making the jump to a connection between Obbmud and Metal Sonic seems a little bit odd. Metal Sonic has been doing the weirdest things all game, what makes you think that the seal has some sort of special meaning? When you say that the first one is the most likely scenario, are you referring to the double village or the secret chat? I looked up that ability, and found Masons, but I doubt that it would implemented in this game.I'm not too sure what Metal Sonic just did with his seal of approval, but I'm gonna try to disect it. There are four scenarios:
Both are village - Metal Sonic must have got some kind of message from Obbmud, probably via Obbmud's ability. I'm not sure if it was a secret chat or what, but if this is the case, I'm betting it was because of secret info. I think this is the most likely scenario.
Obbmud is mafia/MS is village - This would imply that Obmudd has a secret ability to communicate or something, and tricked MS into believing it was a village role. Could be possible, but I doubt it.
MS is mafia/Obbmud is villlage - Not sure why MS would say that in this case, perhaps to clean himself somehow? I don't think that this scenario is likely at all.
Both are mafia - MS could have made this statement attempting to clean both himself and his teammate, but I think that would be far too obvious of a move and I strongly doubt that any mafia member in his/her right mind would attempt this.
At the very least, I think we are safe in assuming that MS is village, and probably Obbmud too. Would either of you two like to comment on that seal of approval, maybe give us more of an indication of where it came from?
I would tell you which one it is, but I cannot, because then I would be killed. I have no idea about the seal.Both are village - Metal Sonic must have got some kind of message from Obbmud, probably via Obbmud's ability. I'm not sure if it was a secret chat or what, but if this is the case, I'm betting it was because of secret info. I think this is the most likely scenario.
Obbmud is mafia/MS is village - This would imply that Obmudd has a secret ability to communicate or something, and tricked MS into believing it was a village role. Could be possible, but I doubt it.
MS is mafia/Obbmud is villlage - Not sure why MS would say that in this case, perhaps to clean himself somehow? I don't think that this scenario is likely at all.
Both are mafia - MS could have made this statement attempting to clean both himself and his teammate, but I think that would be far too obvious of a move and I strongly doubt that any mafia member in his/her right mind would attempt this.
When I say noon town, I mean noob mafia. IYoshinite - Yoshinite has constantly been having the "I dare you to lynch me" mentality. This seems like something a noob town would turn to when under pressure. This plus the bandwagoning/unsubstantial posts leads me to saying Leaning mafia
Sorry, this has been a bad week for activity so far (started a Lunatic Run in FE:A, some commitments, etc.). I'll get to answering your question ASAP and I'll *try* to have it up before I call it a night.Also aura guardian hasn't really been promoting discussion of late (which is what he has been doing all game) and he's posts have been short but that could be for many reasons, and I don't know how everyone could just ignore the option that metal sonic is not a power role. Oh the one attacking obbmud was alright, although it was mostly explanatory as well. @Aura Guardian; What do you think of obbmud99, blackhawk11, Lightwolf, Yoshinite and Fire blast?
Thanks for posting. Un-lynch Fire BlastFire Blast said:So I think that making the jump to a connection between Obbmud and Metal Sonic seems a little bit odd. Metal Sonic has been doing the weirdest things all game, what makes you think that the seal has some sort of special meaning? When you say that the first one is the most likely scenario, are you referring to the double village or the secret chat? I looked up that ability, and found Masons, but I doubt that it would implemented in this game.
1. It says NOC so the amount of outside communication would probably be limited even though having Masons would probably count as NOC.
2. This is a beginner game, so putting in a role that completely contradicts one of the major aspects of the game (Number vs Information) seems odd.
You conclude by saying that this means that Obbmud and Metal Sonic are both Village. Overall, this seems like a mafia trying to help confirm another mafia.
You asked for him to tell you, so he did. That's what his seal of approval means...(I think?)MS: Who are you most suspicious of right now as being mafia. Alternatively, if you don't have any strong mafia reads, who is your strongest village read?
I think Possible Scum is more scummy than Slight Scum. However, CBT was lynched, so he can hardly respond, Blackhawk11 actually did respond to my thoughts on him, and I've posted why I think Yoshinite is scummy, but not scummy enough for a lynch vote. Out of all my reads left, you were the only scum read I had which I wanted to vote for. You're seemingly trying to avoid responding to my read on you, I don't really know why.You asked for him to tell you, so he did. That's what his seal of approval means...(I think?)
So, Eagle4. You are accusing me a being mafia for not replying to you calling me slight scum. I would like to point out that you called other people possible scum, and they don't have to reply. What is the difference between slight and possible scum? Is possible scum that those people are your friends? You pulled that card twice. Then there is the slight scum. Is that your way of saying that these people are scum, but are not your buddies? This was used twice as well.
Also, I don't understand your logic on not posting in defense. Please Clarify.
Thanks.
By "killed", do you mean godkilled? I have no idea what you're implying by this comment. Your log of what I have done in this game kinda seems forced imo, like you're trying to find something that's not there.Obbmud99 said:I would tell you which one it is, but I cannot, because then I would be killed. I have no idea about the seal.
For an experienced player this is interesting. I mean, saying this person is one of the most important people for the village is basically putting a big red button on his back with flashing lights saying "lynch me". Pointed out because there have been a few posts like this where Aura guardian has acted scummish, or more, has been setting things up. This is much more of a precaution, since we do want to protect blackhawk and his helpfulness he gives to the town.Obbmudd99: Spends a while calling out inactives, then gives a list of reads that was based on *mostly* accurately summarized info, suspicious of yoshinite and Gronkosaurus Rex, annoyed with Metal Sonic. Tries to puzzle out why Woodchuck would have died, later calls out Eagle4 for indecisiveness regarding me or obbmud99, I'll have to look into that more... later
Opinion: Town
Fire Blast: Pressures inactives briefly. Posts some huge reads, seems to be anti-Box and anti-Gronkosaurus Rex in them. Day two comes around, anti-Obbmudd99, anti-yoshinite, a little bit anti-Blackhawk11. Really hard to tell, but it seems like he's trying to encourage activity and is contributing to the town some...
Opinion: Slight Town
Lightwolf: Most of his posts are mostly meaningless at first other than a sort of RVS. Post 237 promises some reads/opinions, which I cannot find despite the time since then. Couldn't tell anything about Metal Sonic previously. Seems to not give many opinions that actually matter, though I did like his idea regarding Woodchuck's death.
Opinion: Lynch LightWolf because he really should give a lot more opinions other than against an occasional idler or in retrospect. Yes, he has some of that, but he seems to be more like a mafian giving some contributions to slip below the radar while doing nothing of real importance in the long run.
yoshinite: Mostly calls out inactives or a similar sort, then posts a read list that's against CBT and Cereza. Does nothing day two until he posts who would benefit from Woodchuck's death. Votes Cereza for reasons he gave back in day 1, which he said he gave, certainly, but were also somewhat lackluster.
Opinion: FoS yoshinite because he (as of typing this line) is second most suspicious and I only have one vote, due to his posts usually lacking much substance (all of them had a little). He seems sort of like LightWolf, coasting along, though he's active enough that I'm not too sure he's mafia. Still suspicious though.
Blackhawk11: Goes after Metal Sonic and Box initially. Posts a few reads, encourages activity. Calls out Obbmudd99 for only calling out inactives. Huge dialog with Eagle4, which I won't even try to summarize beyond "discussing reads and tactics reasonably thoroughly." Pressures CBT, Calls otu Celever for asking too noobish of questions. Analyzes Woodchuck's death and Metal Sonic's seal of approval on Obbmudd99, mentions suspicions of Eagle4, celever, and tas...
Opinion: Strong Town. He is contributing soundly to discussion and is offering deeply thought out - and explained - opinions. He is probably one of the village's most important people.
Wait, why would we lynch an important villager? Unless you meant mafia nightkill... or were you talking about the button on myself? Could have been hawk you were talking about, too, so that's a bit unclear. Back on topic, I might be wrong about hawk, but he's very active and I don't really see much scummy about him at all, and if I was putting the button on him in your view, then my answer is that I'm fairly sure the mafia is competent enough to notice who the good villagers are. So he's really townish so far as I can see, and unless I'm horribly wrong about him, the mafia know that, too (barring ludicrous incompetence that has not been displayed so far), so I'm not changing much by simply saying it.For an experienced player this is interesting. I mean, saying this person is one of the most important people for the village is basically putting a big red button on his back with flashing lights saying "lynch me".
Too lazy to look those up, maybe you could mention which ones they are?Pointed out because there have been a few posts like this where Aura guardian has acted scummish, or more, has been setting things up. This is much more of a precaution, since we do want to protect blackhawk and his helpfulness he gives to the town.