Set your +/- delay to 50, and your seconds to 0.
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Set your +/- delay to 50, and your seconds to 0.
It varies widely with luck. It took 3 tries to get my Shiny Abra, but I accidentally saved after getting it with horrible IVs, and it took 3 days to get the same Abra again.
As for Split frames, you'd think it would be consistent, but it really isn't. It's very common to hit, say, both 2391S and 2391 on successive attempts.
The way Synchronize works in Emerald is, if it activates (50% chance), the RNG fast-forwards to the next frame that has the matching nature. That's why it's skipping ahead.
For that reason, you generally want to hit your target frame a tad early when Synchronizing.
So I've been trying to learn how to RNG shiny flawless eggs in HG for a while now, I started shortly before the old forums got hacked so the available guides were limited. I understand how to hit delays but I've noticed that sometimes when I try to match up the elm calls in the seed to time window that the first two elm calls get skipped over. Yet when I enter the elm results into the search calls window the search tells me that I did in fact hit the right delay. Is this fairly normal? This is the seed I'm trying to get:
Delay 905
1D1101FC
Elm responses: PPPKPPPPEPEPPEP
Elm responses I got: PKPPPP
The shiny frame is on frame 6 so I didn't do any more advances although it still didn't work because the pokemon that hatched was it's normal color. What should I do when the first few elm calls get skipped over? Help please?
Delay 905
1D1101FC
Elm responses: PPPKPPPPEPEPPEP
Elm responses I got: PKPPPP
The shiny frame is on frame 6 so I didn't do any more advances although it still didn't work because the pokemon that hatched was it's normal color. What should I do when the first few elm calls get skipped over? Help please?
If you have any pokemon roaming (probably Entei and Raikou), that is what causes the two frame skips.
You didn't get your shiny pokemon because Elm calls do not advance the PID RNG (which controls shiny, gender, and ability) for eggs. Elm only affects the IVRNG. In order to advance the PID RNG for eggs, you need to call Youngster Joey (calling him advances by 2 frames) or get a Chatot, record a chatter and look at its summary. Chatot advances the PID RNG by 1 for every summary check (only when a chatter is recorded). Keep in mind, if you're only going to use Youngster Joey to advance the frame then it will only be possible to hit odd frames because the starting frame is 1. If you keep adding 2, you'll be skipping all of the even frames. Your options are: find a new seed with an odd target frame, or get a Chatot :)
Hope this helped!
I think I've caught all the roamers since it's an old file so I don't think that's it. Does having your pokemon following you change anything? Anyway yeah, I realized after posting this that I got Elm and Joey mixed up.
I don't think so. Well that's weird, I'm not sure what it would be then.
I'm RNGing my brother's Suicune for him, and something weird keeps happening. It's on frame 14, Bold nature with 31/14/31/31/31/31. Delay is 1058. I hit my seed correctly, do Elm calls to advance the frames to 13, then initiate the fight. I always get an Impish nature with suboptimal IVs, but the stupid thing is it doesn't show up anywhere. All three roamers are active, but that shouldn't screw me over. Any ideas?
How are you confirming your seed? How many advancements are you doing? Are you going for a shiny?
Well it seems that I'm still doing something wrong since I hatched yet another non-shiny pokemon. This is what I did: I saved the game in front of the daycare lady with five pokemon (including the parents), hit my delay which I confirmed using elm calls, deposited the parents, biked around until the old man called, rejected the first egg, biked around until the old man called again and called Joey twice before collecting the next egg. Is there anything wrong in this method or am I just incredibly unlucky?
Also, I tried locating the pokemon I did hatch in the main window but the IVs don't seem to match any of the nearby frames. So I'm at a complete loss. FYI I uploaded the pokemon to pokecheck to determine it's IVs.
Also, I tried locating the pokemon I did hatch in the main window but the IVs don't seem to match any of the nearby frames. So I'm at a complete loss. FYI I uploaded the pokemon to pokecheck to determine it's IVs.
Well, IVs and shininess are decided separately so technically you have to rng the pokemon twice. The first time it dtermines ivs and the second time, shininess. What you want to do is rng for ivs first. Save in front of the day care man after doing so and then hit your seed again to rng for shininess.
Oh I was under the impression that you RNG for shininess first and then IVs? At least that's what I was trying to do.
I'm confirming my seed using the roamer method. I'm using the Elm calls for confirmation as well as frame advancements. According to RNG Reporter, with four roamers, my start frame is 3 (sometimes four, but not as often). I do ten Elm calls to get to frame 13 (or 9 if the start frame is 4), as that's the one right before the one my Suicune's spread is on. I'm not looking for a shiny.
Does initiating the battle with Suicune advance the final frame?
Does initiating the battle with Suicune advance the final frame?
I'm 99% sure PID is determined before IVs, but then again I don't do Gen 4 breeding RNG.
PID comes before IV's, yeah.
How exactly do Emerald's alternate spreads (as indicated by RNGReporter, not split spreads) work? I've been trying to get the regular 7380 spread (BB/14/AA/AA/31/03) but I keep landing on what I believe to be the alternate 7380 spread (30/14/AA/AA/BB/03).
I can deal with split spreads by hard-resetting and trying again. But I keep hitting this alternate spread even after I tossed the egg and saved on a new one. Any help?
I can deal with split spreads by hard-resetting and trying again. But I keep hitting this alternate spread even after I tossed the egg and saved on a new one. Any help?
Why do you reject the first egg? Advance to your target frame and take the first egg.
Are you using the newest version of Reporter? Iirc, it takes all indirect frame advancements into account for you so just advance to frame 14 and see if that works.
Although, it does seem kind of strange that the Impish spread you're hitting doesn't show up anywhere near your target. I would expect it to be the frame right before your target. I don't remember there being any WNPCs in that area but it has been a while. Maybe check for them?
Alternate spreads are the most annoying. I have no idea how they work and how to get back to normal spreads. Honestly, all you can do is keep waiting and resetting. :/
NPCs only affect the IV RNG when you're breeding.
I'm not sure if rejecting an egg advances by 1, it might advance by more or not at all. I've never used that method. Try getting a Chatot and recording a chatter or find a new seed with an odd target frame.
I've never hit Alternate spreads, so bear with me, since I'm writing purely from memory of things I've read.
Alternate spreads occur randomly like Split spreads, except instead of appearing on a reset basis, they last much longer, and are stored in the save file. What I've heard is that if you just do stuff in-game for a few hours, then come back, it should be back to normal.
I would personally suggest the Battle Frontier, but Pokémon Contests are also a good choice.
Alright, thanks. I managed to find a spread similar to my desired spread further along the alternate spread list and by the time I got to my next breeding project, the alternate spread stuff went away. Guess it's just a matter of waiting if the alternate spreads come up again.
I finally got the shiny frame I was after! it turns out that I was advancing too late (when the egg was generated). Anyway rejecting an egg does advance the frame by one. Question, IVs are advanced by calling Elm right?
Yes. Make sure you're quick, though, be there is one NPC on that route and he will affect the IV RNG.