The Top 10 Titans of the 5th Gen OU Metagame [VOTING OVER]

Alright people we have 4 days to get three important nominations done, so listen up. First off, I'm going to nominate Ninetales because it needs to be nominated obviously, or else shit like Venusaur and Sawsbuck would never be used in OU, and it's the reason sun is viable in OU.

With that out of the way, I need people to nominate Deoxys-S, Garchomp, and Thundurus-I before we can start the voting process. Let's get this done people!
 
PDC said:
Ok taking Garchomp as nobody else nom'd it.
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Thanks dude.

Also, if you're going to nominate Deo-S or Thundurus-I, make sure you played during their time in OU or else it wont be a solid nomination. I JUST started getting into competitive battling harcore a few weeks before Excadrill was banned, so I don't really feel like I had enough experience to judge how those Mons were back then, seeing as I just began and had barely any idea how to even build a proper team. So yeah, make sure you know what you're talking about before nomming them.
 
I'll try and do Deo-S, but I'm fairly busy tonight and tomorrow. Someone else should do a concurrent write-up.
 
Reserving for Rotom-W

EDIT: Sorry guys, didn't really have time yesterday. On a Sunday, yes I know.
 
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Shurtugal said:
Why not just discuss and have Thread Nominators dictate Top Ten rather than getting idiots to spam votes?
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When the voting process begins, I will require everyone to write a paragraph on why they think this Pokemon deserves to be ranked in the designated spot. If other voters or myself feel that someone's paragraph isn't accurate or detailed enough, then their vote wont count. Don't worry, I'll make sure the Top 10 is as accurate as possible, and I wont tolerate ignorant votes or voters that fail to read the directions.
 
Can I nom' Latias? I can write up a really fast one about it since I've basically been using it for all of BW lol, if not I'll probably do blaziken, if so I have the time to do both if I'm allowed to

EDIT: PDC got latias on page 1 lol, stupid me
 
Hm, sorry I skimmed to OP because when I saw through sep. 9 I got pressured, regardless may I nom. blaziken? I swear I didn't see blaze in the OP
 
Nominating Deoxys-Speed

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What effect did Deoxys-Speed have on the metagame?

During the time that Deoxys-Speed was allowed in OU, it was the poster child of HO teams, thanks to its insane speed of 180 (so fast it rarely needed max speed) and its access to both Dual Screens and (much more importantly) Spikes and Stealth Rocks. Its insane speed, combined with its decent 95 SpA / Atk and great coverage made it a force to be reckoned with (it was decent enough that an offensive set was usable). Thanks to all these traits, Deoxys-S could always guarantee at least SR and maybe a layer of spikes on a bad day, and more often than not you have full hazards. For those who didn't play during the Deo-S meta, Deo-S plays very similar to Deo-D and Cutsap Skarm, except a lot better and a lot more efficient. Thanks to Deo-S, HO teams wrecked everything during its stay in OU.

What caused it to have a significant impact?

As stated above, Deo-S pretty much made HO a powerhouse of a playstyle. This was because it could always guarantee at least SR and possibly 1 spikes. Due to the fact that it could guarantee this, the rest of the team could easily destroy teams in a matter of turns. The Deo-S era was the golden age of HO during 5th Gen; hell, I'd argue it was the golden age of HO during the entirety of Pokemon. Like stated previously, it also had decent offenses, meaning it could kill or at the very least dent answers to Deo-S. For example, offensive Espeon gets 2HKO'd by Shadow Ball, meaning it has to play mindgames with Deo-S. Meanwhile, defensive sets have a chance to be 2HKO'd while not being able to do much back. Also, thanks to its amazing speed, Deo-S didn't need to invest in Speed, as it would naturally outspeed almost everything. This meant that it could either run mixed offenses or run HP investment to tank Scizor's Bullet Punch and set-up hazards (if Scizor U-Turns, Deo-S still gets hazards up). It also had some neat moves that it could use, such as Magic Coat for Sableyes and other Pranksters that try to get cute with Prankster Taunt, not to mention helping against other Deo-S.

How do/did you deal with this Pokemon in OU?

Deo-S was almost impossible to stop; If the foe had a Deo-S, you would have to deal with at least SR. Of course, it was possible to stop Deo-S from getting all of its hazads, but if it got SR and a later of Spikes, then it had done its job. Xatu is probably the best answer to Deo-S imo, since it doesn't get wrecked by Shadow Ball like Espeon does, but Xatu can't do much while it's on Deo-S except for Night Shade/Heat Wave (U-Turn wouldn't be a good idea) and Paralyze it (Toxic isn't useful against Deo-S). Prankser Taunt was a thing as well, but you needed to lead with it, and you needed to watch out for Magic Coat bouncing it back. Deo-S was also an option against Deo-S, since it could Taunt it or Magic Coat its hazards. Scarf Gengar was also an option, but Deo-S would at least get SR up if it had a Focus Sash. Although you could beat a certain combination of moves/items for Deo-S, you could not beat another set of Deo-S. For example, Scarf Gengar beats non-sash Deo-S, but Sash Deo-S gets SR against it. If Xatu gets hit by a Shadow Ball on the switch, it needs to pray that Deo-S isn't Lum or Magic Coats its T-Wave. Pranksters can beat non-Magic Coat Deo-S, but can't do much against Magic Coat Deo-S. So in conclusion, dealing with Deo-S was near impossible, since Deo-S could do so many things to bypass answers, meaning dealing with all of the Deo-S combinations was impossible.
 
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umm I understand that you want to make the list accurate and all but requiring a paragraph for each spot on the list is way too excessive
 
namehtmas said:
umm I understand that you want to make the list accurate and all but requiring a paragraph for each spot on the list is way too excessive
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We're are voting for each rank individually, not all at the same time, so I don't think that's too excessive at all. One paragraph for one rank? Not anymore excessive then when we used to do paragraphs for suspect testing. It's too weed out bad voters and to help justify your case.
 
Gary2346 said:
We're are voting for each rank individually, not all at the same time, so I don't think that's too excessive at all. One paragraph for one rank? Not anymore excessive then when we used to do paragraphs for suspect testing. It's too weed out bad voters and to help justify your case.
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Suspect voting has an important effect on the actual game though, and even then it wasn't as much. This is just a list with no true merit beyond itself. You're asking for, in the end, 10 paragraphs for a list. I'm sure there's a ton of people here who can prove themselves very knowledgeable on the Gen V metagame without something as extensive.
 
Gary2346 said:
We're are voting for each rank individually, not all at the same time, so I don't think that's too excessive at all. One paragraph for one rank? Not anymore excessive then when we used to do paragraphs for suspect testing. It's too weed out bad voters and to help justify your case.
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No offense but this is something that is a lot different and a lot less important than a Suspect test. This isn't going to ban a Pokemon. This isn't something in which a bad voter could potentially change the status of OU overall. This is merely a community project. Writing really long paragraphs over and over gets pretty boring and will hasten this thread losing interest.

Even though all the other threads like this are pretty much dead, they didn't require a bunch of people to write paragraphs in order to just to vote. It went like 1) they would decide upon who the Top 10 are in no particular order and then 2) start ranking them in an order after the 10 were decided although one has never gotten this far. This list is literally just something that the community can decide upon, and I would really hope that you would have enough hope in the users in the community to merely pick what Pokemon they think have a big influence. This isn't nearly important enough to not include people, because the impact that this thread has in the long run is rather small. I mean, for Battle Of The Week, should someone be forced to describe why they must vote for someone to battle? I don't think many people think so, and it is similar for this case really.

You also have the fact that there are people nominating these Pokemon that have to write 4 paragraphs in order to do so. So you are pretty much making people copy/paste the ideas that got them on the list which are available on the thread itself and then regurgitate them into their votes. It accomplishes nothing, it really just wastes time and gets you a much smaller pool of votes for all those people who do not want to vote (for something like this, you would probably want a lot of votes)

Feel free to disagree with me, but if I was forced to write out a paragraph as to why I think a Pokemon is the 7th best Pokemon in the history of OU, well, I wouldn't. Everything on this list has a Top 10 chance, hence the reason why they are on here. There is no chance of a bunch of people spamming votes for something like Mew because it just isn't there in the first place.
 
Swamp-Rocket said:
No offense but this is something that is a lot different and a lot less important than a Suspect test. This isn't going to ban a Pokemon. This isn't something in which a bad voter could potentially change the status of OU overall. This is merely a community project. Writing really long paragraphs over and over gets pretty boring and will hasten this thread losing interest.

Even though all the other threads like this are pretty much dead, they didn't require a bunch of people to write paragraphs in order to just to vote. It went like 1) they would decide upon who the Top 10 are in no particular order and then 2) start ranking them in an order after the 10 were decided although one has never gotten this far. This list is literally just something that the community can decide upon, and I would really hope that you would have enough hope in the users in the community to merely pick what Pokemon they think have a big influence. This isn't nearly important enough to not include people, because the impact that this thread has in the long run is rather small. I mean, for Battle Of The Week, should someone be forced to describe why they must vote for someone to battle? I don't think many people think so, and it is similar for this case really.

You also have the fact that there are people nominating these Pokemon that have to write 4 paragraphs in order to do so. So you are pretty much making people copy/paste the ideas that got them on the list which are available on the thread itself and then regurgitate them into their votes. It accomplishes nothing, it really just wastes time and gets you a much smaller pool of votes for all those people who do not want to vote (for something like this, you would probably want a lot of votes)

Feel free to disagree with me, but if I was forced to write out a paragraph as to why I think a Pokemon is the 7th best Pokemon in the history of OU, well, I wouldn't. Everything on this list has a Top 10 chance, hence the reason why they are on here. There is no chance of a bunch of people spamming votes for something like Mew because it just isn't there in the first place.
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Originally I WAS just going to make it where people would just have to vote and wouldn't have to justify it with a paragraph, but along the road, other users were worried that some voters would ruin it by choosing something without really thinking about why they chose it, so they recommended me to do paragraph voting (and TBH, I wasn't going to ask for LONG paragraphs, just something like 2-3 sentences long). I honestly had no idea what the majority of the community wanted, and originally I was going to just ask you guys to see if anyone objected against simple voting, but the only people that seemed to contact me about it told me that they think requiring people to write small paragraphs was a good idea, so I decided to allow it. Now it's obvious that a majority definitely seems to be against paragraph voting, and I agree that it's a bit too strenuous of a process being that it is just a community project.

So I apologize to the people that wanted paragraph voting, but it looks like we'll just make this simpler with standard voting when the time comes. We still need Ninetales to be nominated before this can go on with the voting phase, so if anyone can please do that, that would be great.
 
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What effect did Ninetales have on the metagame?

Thanks to drought, ninetales presence suddenly makes full sun teams viable and power up sweepers like venusaur, volcarona and wallbreakers like victini and darmanitan. Even niche mons like sawsbuck become viable, all thanks to the massive benefits that permanent sun provides. Sun teams are yet another part of the weather infested metagame we have now and despite their flaws (massive weakness to hazards, ninetales frailty makes it difficult to win weather wars), sun is probably the most dangerous of all weather. Theres nothing scarier than the sight of a clorophyl sweeper getting a stat boost when you no longer have any way to change weather.

In what main roles was Ninetales used?

Pretty much anything ranging from nasty plot sweeper to special wall. This is not a testament of how good ninetales is but of how bad it actually is outside of setupping sun. The fire fox unfornately finds little to do on a team due to its frailty, bad typing and terrible offensive stats, which means its choice of set is hardly relevant. As long as you dont give it a life orb literally anything can work since ninetales job is unfornately just survive and win the weather war. Its not uncommon for players to sack ninetales early when playing against weatherless teams as it wont be doing much through the battle
What caused it to have a significant impact?

Sun teams are a powerful archetype with clorophyl sweepers getting boosted speed, growth users getting a double boost and fire types getting boosted stab moves. This makes sun team specially scary to weatherless teams to face since they cant change the weather. Ninetales is also important for keeping the common and powerful rain teams in check and increase the viability of several pokemon that would otherwise never see the light of ou like venusaur.

How do/did you deal with this Pokemon in OU?

Just smash it with powerful moves. Simply put, ninetales inst a threat at all. It can certainly be annoying with will-o-wisp, hypnosis and pain split shenanigans but at the end of day its lack of reliable recover and terrible typing makes it easy to beat. Garchomp, terrakion, politoed, tyranitar, gyarados, latios among others can simply destroy ninetales with their stab moves and dont really care about anything except a possible will-o-wisp burn. Focus on dealing with ninetales teammates and not with the fox itself.
 
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