...we're REFERING to the mega form, therefore Thick Fat is there. And Giga Drain has been 75 BP and 10 PP for a generation now, where have you been?
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Other 6th Gen Pokemon OU Candidate Speculation Thread
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Hiding from Hydreigon in the warm, safe arms of HG/SS. q_q
So it looks like the hard counter to Mega Venusaur is... Dragalge. FML.
EDIT: Not even, Earthquake eats Dragalge. What beats Mega Venusaur?
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Whimsicott and Sableye ruin you. Unaware Quagsire, too. And just about any bulky pokemon with recovery and, or, taunt.
Well, I have a Spec Tank Sylveon on my team, Sableye has a reason to be scared now.
That's not how you spell Togekiss, silly. :^)
I kind of skipped like half of the thread so far because I haven't seen much love for Carbink and wanted to know: Why has it not been mentioned? Defenses are 438 (out classing Forretress, though Forretress does have access to spikes and Rapid spin), has a great number of support moves (reflect, light screen, stealth rock, safeguard to name a few). I am a little new to competitive battling, (training my first real competitive team only last August) but it looks pretty decent.
I thought about Azumarill, but I can't see Azumarill being used for it's Fairy typing as much as it's used for Huge Power and Belly Drum. Fairy type was definitely a buff, but not the point.
I forgot about Togekiss. Still Sylveon's stat distro is very similar to Vaporeon's, and Fairy has very similar qualities to Water (Fantastic defensively, good offensively). So I could still see Sylveon making OU.
Can Aegislash pull off a Special Attacking set? It doesn't have very many Special options, and no way to boost outside of Weakness Policy, but it'd still be attacking from a base 150 stat, it still has reliable STABs, and it wouldn't get completely screwed over by WoW. If a Special Aegislash set is a viable option, it could prove that the spooky saber really is as broken as the hype makes it out to be.
Scizor welcomes his new death fodder with glee, and will set up in your face. Then, he will Bullet Punch you to death. Water, Earth, Steel, and Grass all ruin you. Also, Carbink's HP does not go well with his typing or even his stats. If he was just Fairy type, he might shine. But, that Rock type is a real killer.
mega venusaur looks to be a solid ou candidate on balanced/semistall teams, fulfilling the role of a blanket pivot/momentum gainer against pretty much everything except
- mons with strong flying/psychic stab
- boosting dragons (sd, dd)
- grass types lol
a set like:
Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll (Thick Fat)
EVs: ? HP / ? Def / ? SpDef
Nature: Calm / Bold
- Sleep Powder
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Protect/Sludge Bomb/Roar
would function as a great switch in against many - both physically and specially-based- offensive threats like terrak, keldeo, breloom... evs can be adjusted depending on team requirements. this set boasts over celebi (the mon in most direct competition with it) access to sleep powder to gain invaluable momentum; more importantly it is not weak to pursuit or uturn, both of which are major impediments to celebi's effectiveness on balanced/semistall teams. oh, and the poison typing is also a plus (toxic spikes absorption and good matchup against fairies) as compared to celebi's secondary psychic typing (ghost and dark look to be dominant types this gen making psychic typing more exploitable than ever).
seriously megasaur's typing + ability does wonders for it in ou; any team playstyle except HO would be hard-pressed to have more than 1 team member that does >50% in a single hit to it. it loses out on natural cure, (more) reliable recovery, and uturn but overall i feel its benefits over celebi on balanced/semistall outweigh its cons.
as an aside, megasaur probably isnt the most viable candidate on full stall, which is to say there are better options to consider. it's main niche is on balanced/semistall, really
- mons with strong flying/psychic stab
- boosting dragons (sd, dd)
- grass types lol
a set like:
Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll (Thick Fat)
EVs: ? HP / ? Def / ? SpDef
Nature: Calm / Bold
- Sleep Powder
- Giga Drain
- Leech Seed
- Protect/Sludge Bomb/Roar
would function as a great switch in against many - both physically and specially-based- offensive threats like terrak, keldeo, breloom... evs can be adjusted depending on team requirements. this set boasts over celebi (the mon in most direct competition with it) access to sleep powder to gain invaluable momentum; more importantly it is not weak to pursuit or uturn, both of which are major impediments to celebi's effectiveness on balanced/semistall teams. oh, and the poison typing is also a plus (toxic spikes absorption and good matchup against fairies) as compared to celebi's secondary psychic typing (ghost and dark look to be dominant types this gen making psychic typing more exploitable than ever).
seriously megasaur's typing + ability does wonders for it in ou; any team playstyle except HO would be hard-pressed to have more than 1 team member that does >50% in a single hit to it. it loses out on natural cure, (more) reliable recovery, and uturn but overall i feel its benefits over celebi on balanced/semistall outweigh its cons.
as an aside, megasaur probably isnt the most viable candidate on full stall, which is to say there are better options to consider. it's main niche is on balanced/semistall, really
Aegislash@Weakness Policy
252HP/48 Sp. Atk/208 Sp. Def
Shadow Ball
Flash Cannon
Iron Defense/Sacred Sword
King's Shield
How does that look?
Exactly what I was thinking of. I'm assuming there'd be a Sassy or Quiet nature to go along with it, right?
A special Aegislash could work, but then it gets into a DPP-BW Lucario situation, or even a Haxorus situation. Some moves are more powerful but it lacks useful priority. I like Weakness Policy but why are you using King's Shield and/or Iron Defense. Make him 252 Atk 252 SpA and turn it into a (well, gimmicky) Weakness Policy wallbreaker with priority.
See my post in the Aegi thread here
You can follow the link back to the main post for a small write-up
Well, Sacred Sword is the better option, but I included Iron Defense if you wanted a non situational defense boost. I'd say it's risky to not invest in HP and Sp. Def with Aegislash, because it doesn't have a way of boosting Sp Def., and lacks reliable recovery, so Flamethrowers and Fire Blasts are going to hurt, and Weakness Policy might not be useful.
THat's not how you spell FLORGESS > ALL either, dude doesn't this guy suck at spelling?
Ground does not get the Special Def. boost rock does but he does learn smack down and most probably rockslide via TM so yes the plan does still work just not with ground typeing
Dude, best fairy is going to be either Mega Mawile, Sylveon, or Azumarril, with a potential spot reserved for Mega Gardevoir. Sorry, your Florgess isn't going to be OU unless you can give me a really good, solid reason it SHOULD be in OU and used by the vast majority of people.
Lol, if you think Pain Split is a form of recovery, then I'm at a loss for words. No matter how good a Pokemon is statistically, if it has flaws, it's going to be held down. Does anyone think, for example, that Kyurem was remotely feasible for anything but a Hail team? Venusaur has few resistances. It's not devoid of resistances like a Normal type or anything, but it's certainly not going to enjoy being worn down by STABs. Venusaur lacks access to Leftovers, and in a game where you would often switch in and be forced to switch right back out, passive recovery is invaluable for a wall. Finally, Synthesis is impeded by weather, which while not as omnipresent as Gen 5, is still very relevant. You could theoretically run Mega Venusaur with Sun and have a hybrid Chorophyll sweeper+tank or something, but that's an awful lot of work just to ensure a low PP recovery move can properly function.
First of all, the Blaziken is more likely than not to have a SD under it's belt. 79.94 - 94.23% has a pretty high chance of scoring an OHKO, especially on a Pokemon that lacks Leftovers. Second of all, no competent player is going to switch a Tyranitar or Politoed into a Venusaur. They will however, do everything in their power to ensure their weather is up as much as possible. Venusaur does have it's uses in the metagame (Keldeo and Lucario), but as of right now, it has too many flaws for it to be used to it's full potential.
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there's a reason why blissey is still used over chansey and it's not because blissey has more offense
Again, you show how ignorant your arguments are. Lefties are only necessary on walls that have no other ways of recovering, and are merely beneficial on ones that do. Mega Venusaur has 3 forms of recovery, rendering it unnecessary. Every pokemon has its flaws, man. You can't use that throwaway argument in this case. Even Scizor, one of the most used pokemon of last gen, had serious flaws. But Venusaur is truly bulky and has access to reliable recovery as well as a way around taunt with Giga Drain. It's not without its flaws, but those flaws are easily outweighed by its strong points. Grassy Terrain gives Venusaur enormous staying power, or have you forgotten that? Also, Blaziken will get annihilated by an earthquake from Venusaur. Not a good idea to use SD with that risk, man.
Also, Pain Split IS good. But only when the base HP of the pokemon using it is low enough. Banette gets priority and has enough HP to get use of it.
No, it's because Eviolite isn't as good on Chansey as people thought it would be. Also, taunt destroys it and takes away its recovery move. Also, it's weak. Also, it has less HP and still is weak to physical attacks of any sort. Lefties aren't the only reason it's not used. And, to be fair, they're not that important for Chansey/Blissey's role, as there're not many special sweepers than can hope to get within 2HKO range. Passive recovery is good, but Chansey and Blissey can afford to spend a turn healing against special sweepers due to their enormous special bulk. They're good to have, but they're not the only factor in what makes a tank good. If you think so, I feel you have serious problems. Especially with how big a nerf offense got in the critical hit nerf as well as all the defensive tools that are around.
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blissey with lefties is bulkier than chansey with eviolite, even though chansey's stats are way higher thanks to eviolite
taunt destroys blissey as well
blissey is really threatening you with that base 75 SpA (yea chansey's is base 35 but seriously, blissey isn't doing squat offensively)
chansey has 10 HP less than blissey, idk if it really makes a big difference
chansey is actually quite a bit better at taking physical hits than blissey (a bold 252 chansey has close to 200 defense and with that health, is pretty good)
it was literally leftovers that makes players use blissey over chansey, that reliable recovery kept blissey alive longer without having to rely on a recovery move like chansey
taunt destroys blissey as well
blissey is really threatening you with that base 75 SpA (yea chansey's is base 35 but seriously, blissey isn't doing squat offensively)
chansey has 10 HP less than blissey, idk if it really makes a big difference
chansey is actually quite a bit better at taking physical hits than blissey (a bold 252 chansey has close to 200 defense and with that health, is pretty good)
it was literally leftovers that makes players use blissey over chansey, that reliable recovery kept blissey alive longer without having to rely on a recovery move like chansey
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