Glad to see someone else considering Masquerain. It also drew my attention because of intimidate and it's pretty diverse movepool but I hadn't seen anyone talking about it and assumed it was because it wasn't viable. I want to like Masquarain but given it's defenses aren't much better than Galvantula and it's 4x stealth rock weakness, it still seems like it's going to have trouble coming in and setting up multiple times. The biggest downside I see when comparing Masquarain to galvantula is it's speed, since unlike Galvantula, it won't be able to outspeed a lot of pokemon in OU which really hurts it's ability to lay down the web.
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Move Sticky Web
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I don't mean to trifle, but I don't think this hazard actually punishes switching like the other hazards do. In most cases if you switch with Spider Web on the field, you'll be switching from one Pokemon with -1 speed to a different Pokemon with -1 speed. And those speed drops don't accumulate the more you switch, so unless you're planning on keeping your lead Pokemon in for the entire battle, there's no (relative) disadvantage to switching. In fact, if you have a flyer or levitator in your team, that might create an incentive to switch.
Aha, another user-- Leavanny's been confirmed, as Sewaddle learns Sticky Web at level 31. Base 92 speed isn't *fast* for OU, per se, but it outspeeds quite a lot of the tier (including Rotom-W) and 103 base Attack lets it pack a punch when it hits. It's both stronger and bulkier than Galvantula while being immune to Spore and Sleep Powder leads and able to boost its stats more effectively with Swords Dance and Agility, though I think a Focus Sash lead would be the most common sight. Sure, the typing is worse but it's certainly another option to take into consideration over the spider. What do you guys think?
For What it's worth it has Overcoat as it's hidden ability so if you're using it as a focus sash lead you don't have to worry about the sash getting broken by opposing Tyranitar leads. Also worth mentioning that it can learn baton pass as an egg move so it has the utility of being able to pass swords dance boosts to a sweeper that can take advantage of sticky web being on the field. Definitely seems like an option worth considering.
Pseudo speed boost by way of sticky web seems neat, though i dunno how it'll ever get the time to use it. (maybe as a lead and they use the time to set-up too and you switch out to something to defog/spin it out, then later on bring it in for a swords dance/baton pass combo with sash and sticky web ensuring it goes off)
Speaking of weather, I just realized that it hits all of the sand and hail inducers super-effectively with its STAB combo, and yes, it can boost up and pass Swords Dances while Overcoat prevents its Sash from being broken. Though I suppose it has trouble dealing with Abomasnow anyway, given Ice Shard abounds...
Leavanny @ Focus Sash
Trait: Overcoat
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Sticky Web
- Swords Dance/Agility
- Leaf Blade
- Baton Pass
This type of set, I feel, is going to utilize most of Leavanny's best qualities as a lead-- it executes its primary job of setting up Sticky Web without fail, while also giving it the power to go after the opponent's lead with a STAB Leaf Blade off 103 base Attack or pass boosts to a sweeper that would highly appreciate an attack or speed jump to lay down some early-game hurt. It certainly provides more utility than Galvantula and could find its place on offensive teams looking to slow down the opposition-- there may be some opposing teams where Sticky Web support won't be as necessary and this set lets Leavanny diversify. Other good options as a more supportive lead include a buffed Knock Off, a Deoxys-esque suprise Magic Coat if the opponent's lead telegraphs its intentions to Taunt or set up hazard, and perhaps Grasswhistle if you're feeling a bit lucky. In any case, I like the potential this has as a rival to Galvantula.
Leavanny @ Focus Sash
Trait: Overcoat
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Sticky Web
- Swords Dance/Agility
- Leaf Blade
- Baton Pass
This type of set, I feel, is going to utilize most of Leavanny's best qualities as a lead-- it executes its primary job of setting up Sticky Web without fail, while also giving it the power to go after the opponent's lead with a STAB Leaf Blade off 103 base Attack or pass boosts to a sweeper that would highly appreciate an attack or speed jump to lay down some early-game hurt. It certainly provides more utility than Galvantula and could find its place on offensive teams looking to slow down the opposition-- there may be some opposing teams where Sticky Web support won't be as necessary and this set lets Leavanny diversify. Other good options as a more supportive lead include a buffed Knock Off, a Deoxys-esque suprise Magic Coat if the opponent's lead telegraphs its intentions to Taunt or set up hazard, and perhaps Grasswhistle if you're feeling a bit lucky. In any case, I like the potential this has as a rival to Galvantula.
Leavanny 4x resists Bullet Seed, and 2x Resist Arm Thrusts.
Sash or no, those attacks aren't too scary for our mantis friend.
Obviously Cloyster is a different beast altogether and Icicle Spear can and WILL OHKO. But as you said, Cloyster meeting Leavanny as a lead is probably not gonna happen.
I hate to break it to you, but Gyro Ball is determined by base speed and doesn't go over 150 BP...
I was thinking more along the lines of Pin Missile and Rock Blast when I mentioned Megacross. But yeah, I'm sure he won't be too common, especially as a lead.
thanks for the heads up on leavanny.
More users the better I think. I hate to use a galvantula when everyone else leads with it too. Leavanny resists thunders at least huh?
More users the better I think. I hate to use a galvantula when everyone else leads with it too. Leavanny resists thunders at least huh?
No, I'm pretty sure its determined by actual speed, not base. That's why people tend to run 0 speed IVs on Bronzong.
Something interesting about a lot of these Sticky Web leads is that the old LeadNape set with Fake Out absolutely destroys them. Nape is able to break sashes with Fake Out and burn Galvantula on the Speed Tie while completely outspeeding Leavanny. Galvantula won't break Nape's Sash and has to die to get Web down, unless it elects to try and counter attack with Thunder in which case it will die with no Web at all, Leavanny just outright dies. Nape can then SR at its convenience and its partnering spinner is free to remove the Web with the setter gone.
Is there any core that can be formed with Leavanny and Galvantula that has resists on Nape? Galvantula partners nicely with Greninja but even that doesn't like switching into Close Combat while it is still part Dark.
Is there any core that can be formed with Leavanny and Galvantula that has resists on Nape? Galvantula partners nicely with Greninja but even that doesn't like switching into Close Combat while it is still part Dark.
1. Greninja is faster than infernape
2. Why would Infernape use CC on a Galvantula? He'd probably set up the rocks of hit with fire stab, the latter of which greninja resists and the prior which can be removed easily by Defog from Scizor/Crobat (Who both work well in the voltturn core).
Seems an interesting feature of having this as a common sort of lead in terms of galvantula/leavanny/masqueran/smeargle (/ariados lol) is that it seems old anti-leads have the potential to make themselves a comeback, namely infernape and (regular) aerodactyl as sashed leads with fake out (infernape), SR, and offensive bug-destroying moves. Despite Gen 6 OU being Wifi, these anti-leads may see a return in potential and usage. Who would have expected infernape to have such a buff this gen?
Not optimal but if you're against smeargle then priority water shuriken is just as good.
Unless it's changed this gen, base power of Gyro ball is calculated like this:
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Base Power = 25 × (Target's Current Speed / User's Current Speed)Max is 150 BP as you said though.
Okay, now think of that scenario in the complete opposite. Forry switches in on Sticky Web and it powers up his Gyro Ball. If Forry is Brave, it 2HKOs Florges.
Leavanny actually looks a little more appealing to me than Galvantula. The added resistances to a lot of popular leads and overcoat make it a lot bulkier. Being a respectable answer to a few water types not carrying anything ice-related is a bonus as well.
And I went and trained myself a perfect spider, too. :/
And I went and trained myself a perfect spider, too. :/
This begs the question, will people open with stealth rock or sticky web....or both?
This obviously depends on the team you are up against, and the team you are using. There is no single answer. I'd elaborate if I had more time ATM, but that question is really general.
Actually there would very much be a answer, or at least a guesstimate of majority use. For teams you are up against, well most of the time it won't affect your own 6, just how you use them.
As for this move, people talk it up but it ain't going to see much use. The Pokemon that use it are far from acceptable to be in a OU final 6 team. There are far better Bug types to run (Volcarona in December and Scizor). The best case would be Galvantula, but then you would pass up much better electric types that are OU as of now. Jolteon, Magnezone, RontomW, and Thundurous T.
Also, stealth rock will IMO stay as dominant as it is. Hurting Pokemon on the switch is far more important then a speed decrease, made all the easier to stick with SR when the sticky web pokemon are very weak competitively.
This attack will find a niche. You may find the occasional Galvantula but this will hardly replace stealth rock. Teams running both? Now that would be cool to see that being adopted.
Synthesis is legal on Sewaddle, Swadloon and Leavanny once Pokébank is up. Get a Sewaddle below level 31 /w Synthesis Tutored from BW2, then level it up and it has Sticky Web + Synthesis + whatever floats your boat. Heal Bell is not legal because Sewaddle does not learn it in Gen V (Leavanny does), but Swadloon gets Sunny Day and has Leaf Guard, preventing any status conditions. However, to run Sunny Day it would be complete Taunt bait.
However, THIS is what I expect Leavanny's niche to be (in OU it is going to suck, believe me, and I used Leavanny extensively):
Leavanny @ Grass- or Bug Gem / Focus Sash
Trait: Chlorophyll
Jolly Nature
EV's: 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 SDef
- Protect
- Leaf Blade / X-Scissor
- Sticky Web
- Entrainment
...alongside Drought-user in Doubles. Set Sun, pass Chlorophyll to said Drought-user and proceed to sweep.
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