Totally agree with you man
That's what this thread is for, speculating.How about we stop calling everything and its mother "suspect" or "banworthy" just because they're good. It hits hard. We get it. Nothing a little bit of team composition can't handle. The defeatism in this forum is disgusting.
Stuff like MGengar ruins "team composition" though. I mean, there's a reason shadow tag is a no-no. Building a team means nothing if you have to build for fear of synergy being ripped apart by a MGengar.How about we stop calling everything and its mother "suspect" or "banworthy" just because they're good. It hits hard. We get it. Nothing a little bit of team composition can't handle. The defeatism in this forum is disgusting.
A Poke that benefits from Sticky Web is Lucario, who can actually beat TTar. Also Mega Kangaskhan likes Web too. Salamence is mostly Scarf or Dragon Dance anyways.I thought this was for 6th Gen Pokes…
But as for Galvantula, I agree, it will be the best sticky web user. The only other Poke that'll even get sticky web is Smeargle (Ariados is a loser), and Smeargle is only used to BP. Galvantula does get chased off by T-Tar but it can Volt Switch to send in a Lucario and Force T-Tar out. That can work. Salamence is just an example of a Poke that benefits from Sticky Web
Haha, its mother, as in Kangaskhan. Was this intentional? Anyway, I agree. You could simply state something is broken, or you could actually account for it in your teambuilding. Regardless of whether it's broken or not, there are plenty of offensive and defensive checks to to Kangaskhan, for example, and they're not exactly hard to fit on a team. Just to name a few:How about we stop calling everything and its mother "suspect" or "banworthy" just because they're good. It hits hard. We get it. Nothing a little bit of team composition can't handle. The defeatism in this forum is disgusting.
Galvantula can work great as a suicide lead tho, even in UU, I see Sticky Web + Volt Switch w/ Sash viable tbh.A Poke that benefits from Sticky Web is Lucario, who can actually beat TTar. Also Mega Kangaskhan likes Web too. Salamence is mostly Scarf or Dragon Dance anyways.
There aren't that few Sticky Web users. You have (in order of viability IMO) Galvantula, Smeargle, Masquerain, Shuckle, Leavanny, Ariados. The only one that can beat Tyranitar is Leavanny. Which is kiiiiiiiinda bad if you want to run Sticky Web in OU.
In UU every Sticky Web user gets instantly fucked by all the Fire-types running around. It'll be nice as team support though.
something that can't legitimately 2HKO REGULAR venusaur before it mega evolves shouldn't be banned, like, at all, thats just weak:That's what this thread is for, speculating.
Almost everything can be dealt with.
It doesn't mean the preparation is too much or too limited.
Furthermore, in regards to Mega Lucario, if you go on the irc chat, you'll know that most of the smogonites who are well experienced will say how overpowered Mega Lucario is, hence claiming Lucarionite to be broken.
It's just a ridiculously powerful pokemon that can clean like no other.
In fact, I believe Mga Lucario is the best lategame cleaner at the moment.
The drawbacks of needing to mega evolve, 4SS, frail aren't enough to discredit MLucario's sheer power and the ability to lickclean the enemy team lategame.
Additionally,, Mega Lucario's special and mixed sets (esp special) are also incredibly powerful on heir own rights. This makes Lucario a pokemon of extreme versatility and unpredictability.
And we've had enough time to sort out the blatantly broken from the bunch and Mega Lucario is one imho.
Suicide leads are bad. The defog buff ensures that every team will probably carry at least 1 defogger or the same reason people packed roar in gen3, just in case people want to try and be cute with hazards.Galvantula can work great as a suicide lead tho, even in UU, I see Sticky Web + Volt Switch w/ Sash viable tbh.
Oh please, that thread had plenty of good arguments as to why it was overpowered. There was 300+ pages of discussion going on in that thread, and plenty of arguments for both side. If we find later in the metagame that Mega Gengar is capable of coming down (much like Kyurem-B) then it will get its own suspect test.I swear mega gengar already has shown people that you can get something instabanned if you bitch hard enough, I've had enough of this
Leavanny also gets Sticky Web, and you could in theory go with Sash + Sword Dance/Leaf Blade/Sticky Web/X-Scissor (or random 4th move). Dance if you see Tyranitar, a +2 Leaf Blade will make an impression and/or make it want to hard switch to avoid the hit. If it's Scarfed to outspeed Leavanny, swap something else that'll deal with it locked in Stone Edge.I thought this was for 6th Gen Pokes…
But as for Galvantula, I agree, it will be the best sticky web user. The only other Poke that'll even get sticky web is Smeargle (Ariados is a loser), and Smeargle is only used to BP. Galvantula does get chased off by T-Tar but it can Volt Switch to send in a Lucario and Force T-Tar out. That can work. Salamence is just an example of a Poke that benefits from Sticky Web
SD is a bad idea because you are OHKOed by Stone Edge+weather.Leavanny also gets Sticky Web, and you could in theory go with Sash + Sword Dance/Leaf Blade/Sticky Web/X-Scissor (or random 4th move). Dance if you see Tyranitar, a +2 Leaf Blade will make an impression and/or make it want to hard switch to avoid the hit. If it's Scarfed to outspeed Leavanny, swap something else that'll deal with it locked in Stone Edge.
something that can't legitimately 2HKO REGULAR venusaur before it mega evolves shouldn't be banned, like, at all, thats just weak:
252+ Atk Lucario Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Venusaur: 158-188 (43.4 - 51.64%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (black sludge to be fair)
252+ Atk Adaptability Lucario Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Venusaur: 170-200 (46.7 - 54.94%) -- 14.06% chance to 2HKO
these calcs are both assuming adamant mega lucario, this is the strongest moves mega lucario can fire right off the bat against REGULAR venusaur, not mega, and it fails to have at least a 40% chance to 2HKO, which would still be a minimum chance
now lets look at mega venusaur shall we?
+2 252+ Atk Lucario Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Thick Fat Venusaur: 122-144 (33.51 - 39.56%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
LOL PATHETIC
+2 252+ Atk Adaptability Lucario Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Venusaur: 130-154 (35.71 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
nice try ;)
the iron head calc was just for fun though, nobody should be running iron head when you can run adaptabillity bullet punch
+2 252+ Atk Adaptability Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Venusaur: 194-229 (53.29 - 62.91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
and barely a 2HKO at +2, this is mlucarios strongest hit, even if mega luke gets +2, all mega saur has to do is, survive, sleep it, synthesis/switch out/EQ it
We banned mega gengar because it could trap (which was still dumb imo)
We banned mega blaziken because speed boost on previously known as amazing wall breaker that could not be stopped in DPPT, add SD and HJK and ability to BP when it gets weak, is way too fuckin strong
we have legitimatly no reason to ban mlucario, especially compared to monsters such as these 2, and if you really want to discuss this further, you're in the wrong thread
I swear mega gengar already has shown people that you can get something instabanned if you bitch hard enough, I've had enough of this
SD is a bad idea because you are OHKOed by Stone Edge+weather.
At least Leavanny can actually touch Tyranitar though. No other Sticky Web user can. Which is quite a problem when trying to use it effectively.
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Leavanny Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tyranitar: 439-517 (108.6 - 127.9%)leavanny has Overcoat so no, it's not dying to weather and I don't even think a Leaf blade at +2 can OHKO tyranitar anyway. It needs brick break or something.
But unlike the other sticky web users (Not counting smeargle) It has access to Baton Pass
Easy, buddy. We're not picking apart your calcs because lol. I'm just saying that your calcs really didn't make any sense for the point you were trying to make. Your calcs with regular venusaur were just ridiculous because A. Mega lucario will probably almost never be up against a max def/max HP regular venusaur (let alone one without a mega stone) in standard OU play and B. Mega Lucario will never attack full health defensive pokemon without an SD or NP boost. If you're trying to post calcs that show how a pokemon is overhyped, use relevant ones. I could probably show you some calcs about the damage a max def/max HP Golurk takes from an unboosted SD Terrakion that would be impressive, but next to useless.My point was that, the fact that it can't even 2HKO regular saur is kind of sad for such a hyped threat, I'm not saying it sucks, just saying that it has its hard counters. But then again, like every post insmogon, people have to pick apart at the little points to try and make it not understandable and seem extremely nonsensicaly flawed, which you guys didn't go that far, but, in the words of xbox "come on"
Easy, buddy. We're not picking apart your calcs because lol. I'm just saying that your calcs really didn't make any sense for the point you were trying to make. Your calcs with regular venusaur were just ridiculous because A. Mega lucario will probably almost never be up against a max def/max HP regular venusaur (let alone one without a mega stone) in standard OU play and B. Mega Lucario will never attack full health defensive pokemon without an SD or NP boost. If you're trying to post calcs that show how a pokemon is overhyped, use relevant ones. I could probably show you some calcs about the damage a max def/max HP Golurk takes from an unboosted SD Terrakion that would be impressive, but next to useless.
And again, a pokemon that loses half or more of it's life switching in is not a hard counter. Like I said before, the chances of M-Venusaur coming in full health against a lucario that has either just SD'd or not SD'd yet are pretty minimal compared to the alternatives. Not knocking mega Venusaur either, he's far and away the mega I'm most impressed with and the one I use most often. But he's not close to being a hard counter to Mega lucario.
The burden of perfection isn't on M-Lucario, its on M-Venusaur. To counter/check Mega-Lucario M-Venusaur has to haveMega luke needs to play perfectly in order to beat it which all in all is kind of a stupid thing to assume, 99% of the time mega luke will be slept and have 40% HP left if we're assuming competancy on both sides
This is a discussion board. If you're really gonna get so huffy about it, perhaps you shouldn't be posting such passive aggressive posts about the users who were only commenting on your weak statement.My point was that, the fact that it can't even 2HKO regular saur is kind of sad for such a hyped threat, I'm not saying it sucks, just saying that it has its hard counters. But then again, like every post insmogon, people have to pick apart at the little points to try and make it not understandable and seem extremely nonsensicaly flawed, which you guys didn't go that far, but, in the words of xbox "come on"
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