Kangaskhanite Tiering Discussion [+Demographics Poll Added to OP]

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Kyosuru Jets said:
But Kanghaskahn can't meet up with some of walls in ubers, like lugia. I believe it should stay in OU. Just because it's really good in the tier, doesn't mean it should move up and not be able to compete (follow up post)
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Apparently Ubers is a banlist first and is treated like a legit tier second.

I already tried that argument, and it didn't work friend.
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Okay just to let you all know, while mega kanghaskahn is OP with double attack boost with parental bond power up punch and access to moves like sucker punch, this doesn't auto classify it to ubers because it wrecked your team. It has some strong counters. It takes double iron barbs damage from ferrothorn, and add that to a rocky helmet and it could take away a fair chunk of health. Also mega alakazam could trace this and be a helluva lot more dangerous with his access to moves like psychic and focus blast. When you agree or disagree with this statement, don't just put "oh it wrecks my team". Make sure you describe its counters (or lack thereof).
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We've been doing that throughout this entire thread. All 41 pages and over a thousand replies have been about this. Read at least some of it before posting, please.
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
But Kanghaskahn can't meet up with some of walls in ubers, like lugia. I believe it should stay in OU. Just because it's really good in the tier, doesn't mean it should move up and not be able to compete
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BWAA HA HA!

Have some calcs!

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lugia: 319-378 (76.6 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lugia: 336-396 (80.7 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
Okay but it doesn't really have the bulk to stand up to some of the more speedy sweepers, and with kang lacking speed increase moves, it has the chance to be annihilated
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Okay just to let you all know, while mega kanghaskahn is OP with double attack boost with parental bond power up punch and access to moves like sucker punch, this doesn't auto classify it to ubers because it wrecked your team. It has some strong counters. It takes double iron barbs damage from ferrothorn, and add that to a rocky helmet and it could take away a fair chunk of health. Also mega alakazam could trace this and be a helluva lot more dangerous with his access to moves like psychic and focus blast. When you agree or disagree with this statement, don't just put "oh it wrecks my team". Make sure you describe its counters (or lack thereof).
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Kyosuru Jets said:
But Kanghaskahn can't meet up with some of walls in ubers, like lugia. I believe it should stay in OU. Just because it's really good in the tier, doesn't mean it should move up and not be able to compete (follow up post)
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Go back and actually read the thread. We're not lying to you dude, there have been more than a few people that have addressed your points over and over with arguments, calculations, and what have you.
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Okay but it doesn't really have the bulk to stand up to some of the more speedy sweepers, and with kang lacking speed increase moves, it has the chance to be annihilated
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Doesn't matter how well it does in Ubers, it's a banlist. Again, it is a banlist, not an official tier. Something sucks in Ubers, don't use it. You can play in it, but it's not a tier where it has to do good.

IT! IS! A! BAN! LIST!
 
Read.

The.

Thread.

There are some interesting calcs involving Arceus Normal using Extremespeed you'll love to see. Particularly how it can't even guarantee a OHKO.

UBERS. BANLIST. FIRST.
 
a) Mega-kanga is very viable in ubers
b) Even if it werent that doesnt mean anything, ubers is an OU banlist, not a tier, plenty of pokemon get stuck in BL.

idk why people say megamilf cant compete in ubers, have you guys tried it, it still does work.
 
MagicMissingno said:
BWAA HA HA!

Have some calcs!
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lugia: 319-378 (76.6 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lugia: 336-396 (80.7 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
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Notice the added plus 2. Switch into ghost and POOF goes it's attack boost
 
People, he's obviously a troll. How many people are going to be fooled by his sorry trolling behind blatant trolling before you notice? He specifically used lugia to goad you.

Edit: Notice the fact that he's using arguments we've gone over many times. He's read the thread, alright. That's the only reason he's recognized a lot of points and brought them up just to get you all angry... How many people would have the luck to say a sweeper in OU has nothing against lugia when it had been discussed just pages ago? Too coincidental.
 
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Ajwf said:
People, he's obviously a troll. How many people are going to be fooled by his sorry trolling ass before you notice? He specifically used lugia to goad you.
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Sorry trolling ass? Tbh there are no stat boosts on that lugia, and there are on kang. Did you consider that? And I am not a troll I am thinking thoroughly with my OWN mind
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Notice the added plus 2. Switch into ghost and POOF goes it's attack boost
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I suppose that is assuming Kanga got a powerup punch in before lugia in another pokemon during a sweep.

If if that wasn't the case Lugia will fall in a 2HKO, making magic's post still legitimate.

I think Kanga lost this battle mate by winning it too hard.

Also, please stop multiposting, if you have more to add just edit your latest post before a reply.
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Sorry trolling ass? Tbh there are no stat boosts on that lugia, and there are on kang. Did you consider that? And I am not a troll I am thinking thoroughly with my OWN mind
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We already discussed this through a few hundred times.

Go read the thread.

(Also if Kang switches in on a weakened Chansey and your opponent's Giratina is dead, you are getting your boosts)
 
It's called thinking of MULTIPLE SCENARIOS and not just those favorable to your cause
It is very possible to give a def boost
 
For the 5,823 time, Ubers is a ban list first and a tier second. Nobody cares how well MegaKhan is there because it's been made painfully obvious how this thing has no business in OU.
 
Did YOU consider why people have been telling you to read the thread? All the questions you've posted would be answered if you took the time to read.
 
AOPSUser said:
We already discussed this through a few hundred times.

Go read the thread.

(Also if Kang switches in on a weakened Chansey and your opponent's Giratina is dead, you are getting your boosts)
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Thanks for being a little civilized and NOT just flat out saying I'm a sorry ass
 
Banlist okay I get it. But it doesn't deserve the ban as much as you think it does. There are a lot of things that could counter it (intimidate, scarf, band, clear fog etc.) Which dwell in OU. Don't hate on it because it does well in a lot of certain scenarios. It's a main driver behind OU, and OU needs that kind of power. Besides, it's stats aren't awesome, and almost relies on this stat boost. Calc the damage done to a heavy wall without the stat boosts. And stop telling me to read the thread I get it, but seriously mega kanghaskahn without the stat boosts doesn't do all to well
 
I've already made some points in a previous post, but since i've been sick of seeing Khan everywhere and was bored, decided to make an alt to test one thing that kinda bothers me about her. Unlike many other Pokemon, Khan can literally be tossed into any old team and be guaranteed to do something, as long as you're competent enough to not be this guy. So, for shits and giggles, I tossed her and Gengar (so i have a shaky Khan check) into my Bug mono, made an alt, and played a bunch of matches on the ladder.

In the posts I've been seeing, people seem to be forgetting that Khan can switch out vs. the few things that she can't kill in 1 hit, or vs. things that are 99% of the time going to go for will o wisp. Volcarona makes an excellent switch for a vast majority of things that'll check Khan, namely Will o Wisp spreaders, Ghost types in general, and Fighting types other than Terrakion or Keldeo. Since a lot of you people are suggesting Choice Banding something with a fighting move to check Khan, most bugs can freely switch into fighting moves, Quiver Dance, and proceed to tear a new hole into your team. Khan is also good for luring your typical "counters" that my Volcy eats for breakfast each morning, like Skarmory and Ferrothorn. So imagine what'll happen if someone pairs it with Magnezone...

Khan has a huge movepool. Sure, the standard PuP/Sucker Punch/Return/filler works wonders against lots of teams, but you can always change one or more of these moves to something that eliminates things that the rest of your team has problems with. For example, I've tested Earthquake and Aqua Tail, since Fire and Rock types are a huge problem for the rest of the team. Aqua Tail is a somewhat gimmicky way to get rid of Rhyperior, something that isn't ohko'd by Return or PuP and could cause massive problems for the rest of the team. Now, I'm not suggesting everyone run Aqua Tail on Khan; but my point is that her moveset can easily be tailored to the needs of the rest of the team. While most people run max atk/max speed Jolly, Khan can viably run a bulkier spread (max hp/max atk Adamant, perhaps) which keeps her from being picked off by Mach Punches from common shaky checks. A support set (with Wish and Seismic Toss) can also be good for stall teams.

From my experience just tossing Khan into any old team, she's far from being reasonably balanced for OU play, considering that I could do far more work with her tossing her into a random team than I can with any reasonably balanced OU pokemon. Khan can be used not only as the main star of the show, but as a way to reliably remove checks for the rest of the team or to support with Wish. With a skilled player actually building around her attributes, the results are likely to be devastating. I support a ban.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69319364 <-- after sac'ing something to a (likely to be choiced) Infernape, Khan mindlessly blows through this team. It was literally a matter of just picking a move that could hit my opponent and using it.

(more examples to come, maybe)
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Banlist okay I get it. But it doesn't deserve the ban as much as you think it does. There are a lot of things that could counter it (intimidate, scarf, band, clear fog etc.) Which dwell in OU. Don't hate on it because it does well in a lot of certain scenarios. It's a main driver behind OU, and OU needs that kind of power. Besides, it's stats aren't awesome, and almost relies on this stat boost. Calc the damage done to a heavy wall without the stat boosts. And stop telling me to read the thread I get it, but seriously mega kanghaskahn without the stat boosts doesn't do all to well
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What's stopping Kang from getting the boost against the non-ghost walls and what stopping a teammate from killing the walls?
 
I am actually a bit surprised that this si still a discussion, really... Though I am impressed that I am gone for almost a whole day and it shot up almost 20 pages. I REALLY don't know what else needs to be covered. This thing still demolishes OU so bad that it isn't even funny.
 
Emmy2 said:
I've already made some points in a previous post, but since i've been sick of seeing Khan everywhere and was bored, decided to make an alt to test one thing that kinda bothers me about her. Unlike many other Pokemon, Khan can literally be tossed into any old team and be guaranteed to do something, as long as you're competent enough to not be this guy. So, for shits and giggles, I tossed her and Gengar (so i have a shaky Khan check) into my Bug mono, made an alt, and played a bunch of matches on the ladder.

In the posts I've been seeing, people seem to be forgetting that Khan can switch out vs. the few things that she can't kill in 1 hit, or vs. things that are 99% of the time going to go for will o wisp. Volcarona makes an excellent switch for a vast majority of things that'll check Khan, namely Will o Wisp spreaders, Ghost types in general, and Fighting types other than Terrakion or Keldeo. Since a lot of you people are suggesting Choice Banding something with a fighting move to check Khan, most bugs can freely switch into fighting moves, Quiver Dance, and proceed to tear a new hole into your team. Khan is also good for luring your typical "counters" that my Volcy eats for breakfast each morning, like Skarmory and Ferrothorn. So imagine what'll happen if someone pairs it with Magnezone...

Khan has a huge movepool. Sure, the standard PuP/Sucker Punch/Return/filler works wonders against lots of teams, but you can always change one or more of these moves to something that eliminates things that the rest of your team has problems with. For example, I've tested Earthquake and Aqua Tail, since Fire and Rock types are a huge problem for the rest of the team. Aqua Tail is a somewhat gimmicky way to get rid of Rhyperior, something that isn't ohko'd by Return or PuP and could cause massive problems for the rest of the team. Now, I'm not suggesting everyone run Aqua Tail on Khan; but my point is that her moveset can easily be tailored to the needs of the rest of the team. While most people run max atk/max speed Jolly, Khan can viably run a bulkier spread (max hp/max atk Adamant, perhaps) which keeps her from being picked off by Mach Punches from common shaky checks. A support set (with Wish and Seismic Toss) can also be good for stall teams.

From my experience just tossing Khan into any old team, she's far from being reasonably balanced for OU play, considering that I could do far more work with her tossing her into a random team than I can with any reasonably balanced OU pokemon. Khan can be used not only as the main star of the show, but as a way to reliably remove checks for the rest of the team or to support with Wish. With a skilled player actually building around her attributes, the results are likely to be devastating. I support a ban.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-69319364 <-- after sac'ing something to a (likely to be choiced) Infernape, Khan mindlessly blows through this team. It was literally a matter of just picking a move that could hit my opponent and using it.

(more examples to come, maybe)
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Sensed a LITTLE bit of hostility there, but now I know someone has gone through and checked these things out. Don't just tell me to look at the thread. Over 1000 messages with some bs I don't need to read. I did read some of it and I realize I restated a lot, but this is the first person I saw say they went and checked its counters.
THANK YOU
 
Kyosuru Jets said:
Banlist okay I get it. But it doesn't deserve the ban as much as you think it does. There are a lot of things that could counter it (intimidate, scarf, band, clear fog etc.) Which dwell in OU. Don't hate on it because it does well in a lot of certain scenarios. It's a main driver behind OU, and OU needs that kind of power. Besides, it's stats aren't awesome, and almost relies on this stat boost. Calc the damage done to a heavy wall without the stat boosts. And stop telling me to read the thread I get it, but seriously mega kanghaskahn without the stat boosts doesn't do all to well
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We have to keep telling you that because if you did you'd notice why everything you said is practically wrong, but you refuse to.

Are you aware what a Counter is?
 
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