Pokémon Kangaskhan

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Hidious said:
Rotom is not switching into Kangaskhan. Only ghost types or pokemon with sky high HP and Defense stand any chance switching into Khan.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 184-217 (60.5 - 71.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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They don't have to be switching into Kangaskhan. Double switches, Khan knocking something out and Rotom coming in to revenge burn, Volt Turn...

You're missing my point, regardless. It's not about Khan using Facade to take out the threats that burn it. It's about the fact that if Khan switches out after being burned or you burn it with Rotom, by the time you find out Khan is using Facade you're going to lose a pokemon.

Checking Kangaskhan by burning it still means you might lose a pokemon. That's what Facade does. We've seen this argument for many pokemon last gen who ended up in ubers, but if you predict wrong with Kangaskhan, even with something as seemingly flawless an idea as burning it, you still lose a pokemon.

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 252-297 (82.8 - 97.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
 
you guys ready for the best set ever?

Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Parental Bond / Modest
252 HP / 252 SpA / 6 Spe
Seismic Toss
Thunderbolt
Fire Blast
Ice Beam

Okay yes, this isn't serious but it actually deals a good amount of damage. Let's take a look at some calcs instead of me trying to convince you this set is good.

252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 318-378 (75.7 - 90%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 342-408 (96.6 - 115.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 219-258 (65.5 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 312-372 (88.6 - 105.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aegislash-Shield: 132-156 (40.7 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 264-312 (76.7 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 342-405 (80.6 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 237-282 (58.6 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i mean, it's definitely not viable when compared to his physical sets but that's some serious power, especially considering some of those things are pretty damn bulky pokemon, and after factoring in parental bond, mega kanga's special attack is 369, just slightly lower than max base 120s,

no he should never run tbolt, but fire blast and ice beam are pretty good coverage moves, especially considering that he gets seismic toss after pokebank and those pokes do carry rocky helmet a lot (and after rough skin/iron barbs, the damage adds up), he could actually run those on top of seismic toss to nab the KO without hurting himself all while going modest

it's also hilarious watching this thing in action, people flail about trying to figure out what the hell to do, it's not bad in any way, just his physical sets are really dumb and i wanted to see how much damage a all out special set could do and to my surprise..quite a bit (especially considering the coverage he gets)

EDIT: Removed surf as it literally does nothing for coverage over seismic toss
 
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I really think Facade is very gimmicky.
Being burned give you the boost to Facade only, while your other moves take 50% damage reduction.
Your scenario are too specific and most people don't even use Rotom-W to burn Kangaskhan.
People use Ghost type to burn Kangaskhan, because they are immune to 2 out of his 4 moves.
The moment you get burned, the opponent should just switch in their bulky ghost (which they SHOULD bring one as without ghost Kangaskhan is always free to boost with PuP).
At that point, nothing Kangaskhan do can break through Trevenant, Gourgeist, Sableye.
 
Fafnir said:
Still, if you see the burn coming (and considering just how ridiculous Megakhan is, it's not like you can afford to wait to send out some form of response, anyway), running Facade wouldn't be a bad way to counter that.
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Or... you can switch in Guts Choice-Scarf Heracross, Flash Fire Heatran, Flash Fire Chandelure. There's also Magic Bounce Espeon... or if you've already Toxic-Orbed yourself, you got Poison Heal Breloom and Poison Heal Gliscor.

"Dealing with a burn Pokemon" is pretty easy to do if you just switch out to your burn-counter.

As others have stated, most `mon who will WoW you are Ghost Pokemon... or Pokemon that are outsped + KOed by Khangaskhan anyway. If you need to take the WoW
 
Dragontamer said:
Check, yes. Counter, no. Terrakion is KOed by Power-up Punch + Sucker Punch. It is also OHKOed by Mega-Earthquake on the switch-in.

So Terrakion can "win" if it is at 100% life and you've sacrificed another `mon to ensure a fully healthy switch-in. Unlike Blaziken who is "countered" by a healthy Slowbro or Azumarril, most of Mega-Khan's "counters" require you to sacrifice a `mon before they even stand a chance. IMO, its more important to run solid revenge-killers vs `Khan, because you're not winning vs it 1v1.

The only true counter to M-Khan is prankster Sableye. Everything else loses to Power-up Punch / Sucker Punch / Crunch / Return. This thing is so stupid that it doesn't even need to run different sets to wreak face.
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Which is why I suggested it as a check. I'm weary of running Sableye as a counter as even it loses to EQ or Crunch if its already set up a PuP.

What I've noticed is that Klefki can actually play its way around Kanga reliably. It can switch into any attack Kanga has expect EQ, set up a Reflect and/or TWave, and then either switch to a would-be shaky check turned counter (Togekiss, Skarmory, Mawhile, Landorus-T) or hit it really hard with Foul Play.
 
You guys do know she can fuck over most ghost types with Facade if she doesn't mega and they switch into a PuP?

+1 252+ Atk Kangaskhan Facade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 262-309 (86.1 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

+1 252+ Atk Kangaskhan Facade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Trevenant: 259-306 (69.2 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
JustARandomPlayer said:
You guys do know she can fuck over most ghost types with Facade if she doesn't mega and they switch into a PuP?

+1 252+ Atk Kangaskhan Facade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 262-309 (86.1 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

+1 252+ Atk Kangaskhan Facade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Trevenant: 259-306 (69.2 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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You can do absolutely the same with Return, and what's worth, you can actually make sure those OHKOes with it.
 
silfan said:
I really think Facade is very gimmicky.
Being burned give you the boost to Facade only, while your other moves take 50% damage reduction.
Your scenario are too specific and most people don't even use Rotom-W to burn Kangaskhan.
People use Ghost type to burn Kangaskhan, because they are immune to 2 out of his 4 moves.
The moment you get burned, the opponent should just switch in their bulky ghost (which they SHOULD bring one as without ghost Kangaskhan is always free to boost with PuP).
At that point, nothing Kangaskhan do can break through Trevenant, Gourgeist, Sableye.
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Or, ya know, you can just run Crunch on Kanga and eat any ghost switch-in alive.
 
Edgar81539 said:
Just a stupid player would let his/her Kanga to get burned. When I see something like Sableye/Dusclops, I just double switch to my Greninja or my Klefki.
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It's this reasoning that makes Facade viable. You make a move thinking a stupid person has sacked their Kangaskhan and it hits you with a Facade that hits harder than Explosion. Losing a pokemon because you can't guarantee what moveset the opponent will be moving is a threat in itself, which is just icing on the cake of the terror that is Mega Kangaskhan.
 
Do you guys think fire punch is more important than crunch to kill rocky helmet users or are ghosts bigger checks which means I should use crunch?
 
Only issue is handling Ghosts after a BURN, since Facade can't touch them.
Can a +2 Crunch w/ Burn still do wonderful things?
 
Strykeypoo said:
It's this reasoning that makes Facade viable. You make a move thinking a stupid person has sacked their Kangaskhan and it hits you with a Facade that hits harder than Explosion. Losing a pokemon because you can't guarantee what moveset the opponent will be moving is a threat in itself, which is just icing on the cake of the terror that is Mega Kangaskhan.
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Kanga already has 4mss and return would be hitting harder 90% of the time
 
MagikaripIsOP said:
Do you guys think fire punch is more important than crunch to kill rocky helmet users or are ghosts bigger checks which means I should use crunch?
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Fire Blast and a Naive/Naughty nature should be used over Fire Punch if you want to deal with RH users. It still OHKOs/2HKOs Ferrothorn and Skarmory with 0 SpA EVs and it prevents RH damage.
 
Much to my surprise Gallade has been functioning as a funny check.

Gallade@Lifeorb
Adamant 252Att 252 Spe 4Hp
Imprison
Poweruppunch
Return
Psycho cut


It's a shame he doesn't get sucker punch but whatever.

However, for an even more effective Imprison user in DOUBLES - Sabeleye.

Prankster
252HP 252 Def 4 Spe
Leftovers
Imprison
Sucker Punch
Will o wisp
Poweruppunch/recover

Not only does this function well in singles (as has been mentioned many times) it excels in doubles with YOUR OWN kanga. You can prevent the most common form of burning and ensure victory in a mirror match.
 
GentlemanNazgul said:
Much to my surprise Gallade has been functioning as a funny check.

Gallade@Lifeorb
Adamant 252Att 252 Spe 4Hp
Imprison
Poweruppunch
Return
Psycho cut


It's a shame he doesn't get sucker punch but whatever.

However, for an even more effective Imprison user in DOUBLES - Sabeleye.

Prankster
252HP 252 Def 4 Spe
Leftovers
Imprison
Sucker Punch
Will o wisp
Poweruppunch/recover

Not only does this function well in singles (as has been mentioned many times) it excels in doubles with YOUR OWN kanga. You can prevent the most common form of burning and ensure victory in a mirror match.
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I literally laughed at these sets. Gallade cannot take Return or PuP->Sucker Punch, and Imprison affects the whole field other than your Sableye, so you are Imprisoning your own Mega Kangaskhan, which is pretty laughable.

They function against dumb ladderers who mindlessly click Sucker Punch against everything but at that point I'd rather be using an actual Sableye set.

Oh, how far people will go to find some answer to Mega Kangaskhan...
 
I'm not sure you understand. There is a big difference between simply crippling Kang with a burn like most Sabeleyes do. This set effectively disables half of the opponents typical Kang's moveset and for the entire team (noting that Sucker Punch is commonplace at this point and you are more than likely messing with other 'mons ex. Mawille) AND still gets to burn.

Edit: And you are disabling the most common form of burning for the opponent which is a boon if you are also running Kang or any other phys. attackers.
 
Okuu said:
Or, ya know, you can just run Crunch on Kanga and eat any ghost switch-in alive.
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Or, ya know, BURNED Mega Kangaskhan can't do shit to those 3?

252+ Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist-Super: 88-105 (23.5 - 28%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye: 75-88 (24.6 - 28.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Trevenant: 120-142 (32 - 37.9%) -- 0.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

We were talking about Mega Kang eating burn from Rotom-W just to get buff to Facade.
I was arguing that will leave Mega Kang crippled against any bulky ghost.
 
GentlemanNazgul said:
I'm not sure you understand. There is a big difference between simply crippling Kang with a burn like most Sabeleyes do. This set effectively disables half of the opponents typical Kang's moveset and for the entire team (noting that Sucker Punch is commonplace at this point and you are more than likely messing with other 'mons ex. Mawille) AND still gets to burn.

Edit: And you are disabling the most common form of burning for the opponent which is a boon if you are also running Kang or any other phys. attackers.
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Kangaskhan is switching out anyways.

Who is going to Wisp a Sableye when it has Taunt? Just smack it hard with something.

Bottom line: Imprison still does nothing for you that Will-O-Wisp alone does not do.
 
Who is going to Wisp a Sableye when it has Taunt? Just smack it hard with something.
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Read my original post. I said it excels in doubles with that set. So his partner would be a physical attacker like Kang. or anything else which is now protected from WoW.
 
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