What tier would Gogoat be in? Would he be in at least UU tier?
I see him as high RU with a pretty decent offensive movepool/stats and a reliable recovery move. I seem him similar to Miltank with less support options.What tier would Gogoat be in? Would he be in at least UU tier?
Sorry if I come off as rude, but if you're determined to hate Gogoat, do it somewhere else please. As far as I'm aware (and correct me if I'm wrong), but Smogon is here not to decide purely on how good a pokemon is, but to ensure every pokemon is brought to be the best it can. I'm not saying Gogoat is good, not even that it will escape NU, but wasting time arguing about weather or not its good at all is just annoying. The point is, weather or not its good overall, we have to make sure it's represented in the metagame to the maximum of its ability, and make it play to its strengths (even if it doesn't seem to have any).The person who said it had solid defenses cited it as having good HP differently. The defensive stats alone are on par with gengar's.
Luxray of XY is pretty accurate, but luxray is barely usable in NU.
I've tried using Gogoat, and it always seems like Burn bait. How do you deal with that in general?Gogoat + horn leech + leftovers + milk drink + max HP = One hell of a wall.
Personally Milk drink + horn leech is an absolute must. It really helps to being a good offensive staller
I can attest to this as I have used the bulk up set of the milk drink variant and positively love it. He has enough bulk to live non stabbed super effective attacks easy, and after a bulk up (or two, its been a bit since I used him in an ou match) he can live a Talonflame attack and retaliate with rock slide. I only wish I was a doubles player so I could take this set with Grassy terrain as that seems very very tempting.You're right, Gogoat is one of those Pokemon with a much higher HP stat than defenses. Investing some HP EVs into Defense will give a much more noticable boost. However on a defensive Bulk Up set, it will be boosting Defense anyway so it's best to maximize Gogoat's Special Defense. If you want better Defense immediately though, your spread is much better.
Hmm. Does go goat learn any status healing moves? If not, maybe replace the leftovers with lum berry, then switch into a fire typeI've tried using Gogoat, and it always seems like Burn bait. How do you deal with that in general?
I think Gogoat might also scrape a niche over Miltank with its typing. Even though it gives major problems with fire, bug and ice, grass type lets Gogoat tank some of the best RU offensive types, such as electric, ground and the almighty fighting type (which is one of Miltank's most prominent flaws). However, I agree that any form of major offense with Gogoat ought to incorporate BU. A leech seed set is probably viable, but is outclassed by ferroseed, who boasts a steel typing and entry hazard access. A pivot set faces similar competition from Amoonguss, who has spore. I think any offensive set would be best with BU, and defensive sets might do best to use Gogoats niches, namely Milk Drink, Horn leech and a good HP stat.I'm gonna play RU just so I can use this thing. I tried it in UU but it struggles to compete (then again UU is pretty broken right now). The comparison of it to Miltank is interesting. The problem with gogoat, compared to miltank (which is actually really under-rated and should be at least RU imo) is that it has awful stat distribution. 530 base is great, but have almost 100 of them dedicated to a shallow at best special movepool is a real waste. In comparison, Miltank has 40 special attack (though ironically it has the special movepool that could use 97 base) and instead had a bit more speed and bulk. On top of his poor speed, gogoat doesn't have a usable priority move, making him prone to revenge killing even after he sets up.
The only thing that gogoat has over miltank is the fact that it can hit slightly harder offensively and that it get's a better set up move. In fact, I think bulk up is gogoat's only viable set. The set in the OP is pretty good. I don't think milk drink can be sacrificed for substitute, milk drink set's gogoat apart from other set up sweepers. BUT gogoat hates burn, so he needs support from a fire type, both to cover weaknesses and burn. Rotom-H is a great partner in UU. I don't know, I really want to use gogoat, but it's not gonna be viable in any tier above ru sadly. :(
Gogoat is like the bastard bastard child of Sawsbuck and Miltank.Not sure why, but this guy reminds me a lot of Miltank despite having a few (albeit important) differences.
182 HP EVs results in 432 HP which is a leftovers number and allows you to dump a few EVs to boost Defense a bit. Not sure if it'll matter or make it worse in the long, so any math techies might wanna confirm or disprove?
RU I believewhat tier is gogoat in
Please post questions like these in the Simple Questions, Simple Answers thread. You can refer to this thread for your tiering questions.thanks, i kept thinking it was BL or UU, has chatot got a new tier yet, boom burst might make a difference in how people use it
Hey,how about gogoat with assault vest?with careful nature and max.invest on his special def?what do you think?Heh, but I just had to say it. Glad you like the thread! As for that 97 base SpA (assuming that number is correct): it looks wasted on paper, yes. But Gogoat does learn one handy move that will take advantage of it: Hidden Power.
Here's my GoMixedGoat LO + 3 Attacks Set:
Gogoat @ Life Orb
Ability: Sap-Sipper
Nature: Brave / Naughty
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
- Horn Leech
- Payback / Earthquake
- Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
- Milk Drink
This set forgoes boosting to hit hard right off the bat. Dropping special defense for max Attack and LO allows Gogoat to deal good damage with Horn Leech, and the healing can offset the recoil. Payback or Earthquake for coverage, and the fourth moveslot remains Milk Drink for extra longevity. The third moveslot is the real shocker, so make use of that 97 SpA by selecting the Hidden Power of your choice! Even with 60 BP and no investment the calcs are great:
0 SpA Life Orb Gogoat HP Fire vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Scizor: 265-312 (77.25 - 90.96%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Life Orb Gogoat HP Fire vs. 252 HP / 208 SpD Ferrothorn: 166-198 (47.15 - 56.25%) -- 75.39% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Life Orb Gogoat HP Fire vs. 224 HP / 32 SpD Skarmory: 143-169 (43.73 - 51.68%) -- 72.66% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Life Orb Gogoat HP Ice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Salamence: 291-348 (87.91 - 105.13%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Life Orb Gogoat HP Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 255-302 (71.22 - 84.35%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
As you can see, a lot of would-be counters will get smashed by HP. Thoughts?
Because a +1 rock slide from most Pokemon fails to KO Talonflame.A Bulk Up Rock Slide from my Brave Gogoat actually OHKOed a Tflame