Right... so you bring up a weird set and then say nobody uses it... Why bring it up if nobody uses such a thing and you admit so?Please read again:
Right... so you bring up a weird set and then say nobody uses it... Why bring it up if nobody uses such a thing and you admit so?Please read again:
Because everyone complains about how broken M-Luc is and yet no one does even try to do something about it. At least back in Gen 4 peopleRight... so you bring up a weird set and then say nobody uses it... Why bring it up if nobody uses such a thing and you admit so?
That's not even a real check, much less counter, seeing as how you'd have to keep Golurk from taking ANY damage for the whole match until M-Luke comes in. Plus after a crunch you might still get flinch-hax'd, and then you've lost your 'check' for him.while we're on the subject of extremely obscure and niche 'counters'
+2 252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Flash Cannon vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Golurk: 296-350 (77.6 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Mega Lucario Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Golurk: 316-372 (82.9 - 97.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
8 Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Lucario: 288-342 (102.4 - 121.7%)
easy.
edit: after further analysis the set can be optimized to also beat gene and deo, golurk is pretty legit
This just us back to the point that I made. The fact that you have to resort to such terrible sets shows exactly how broken M-Luc is. If this is going to keep going in circles, I'm not going to discuss anymore.Because everyone complains about how broken M-Luc is and yet no one does even try to do something about it. At least back in Gen 4 people
were running something like Bronzong do deal with Garchomp but as I said "the fact that no one does something like that speaks for itself".
You’re missing the point here; no one does "resort to such terrible sets" and now ask yourself why.This just us back to the point that I made. The fact that you have to resort to such terrible sets shows exactly how broken M-Luc is. If this is going to keep going in circles, I'm not going to discuss anymore.
Because they're terrible.You’re missing the point here; no one does "resort to such terrible sets" and now ask yourself why.
defensive AV Azumarril is a obsurce and terrible set, you might as well be running Sap Sipper and Whirlpool/Perish Song on it with max defensive investment.You’re missing the point here; no one does "resort to such terrible sets" and now ask yourself why.
Exactly but if M-Luc were really the nemesis everyone claims it to be you would be forced to run something like this to deal with it.Because they're terrible.
The rules of this forum heavily discourage one-sentence posts. Please elaborate on your argument.Exactly but if M-Luc were really the nemesis everyone claims it to be you would be forced to run something like this to deal with it.
You don’t, no one does. If you would have to rely on one of these things people would actually use them but they don’t.Having to use a bad pokemon for a single other pokemon that you may or may not have to fight
It fits the definition of a counter…especially one that is barely a check
Yah but that’s beside the point.Do you remember what happened to Garchomp in Gen IV?
Assault Vest Azu and Golurk are terrible, niche things that have one sole purpose in OU: checking MLuke. That's not acceptable, that people should have to put dead weight on their teams to deal with MLuke. And it's already been shown how they are easily KO'ed anyway, so they aren't counters. People shouldn't have to rely on stupid, bad things to deal with a single threat, it's better for the metagame to just ban overpowered elements.You don’t, no one does. If you would have to rely on one of these things people would actually use them but they don’t.
It fits the definition of a counter…
Yah but that’s beside the point.
Genesect actually switches more than enough to ensure entry hazard always a matter of concern, and it is not like SR is completely dead even with defog.Genesect: Defog has made it so much easier to remove rocks, and without that SR damage it's extremely hard to damage Genesect. It can run so many sets so it's hard to bring in something that can take the presumed hit, because it can just as easily use Shift Gear and start going to work. It received a buff to it's techno-blast, so it can used Douse Drive to damage potential fire switch ins (I wouldn't use this set though). All in all it's a huge threat to most of meta, and to be honest using Genesect is like an easy mode button it takes very slight prediction and gets amazing results.