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Fur Coat Arcanine

Now it can actually switch-in to Bisharp. Fur Coat has much more flavor than Intimidate anyway.
 
Hmm.... I love the choices. Tor is deserving of a boost (yet how harvest would help him is another story).

Scrafty is truly the only one I do not like yet wouldn't mind getting. So much utility in that, so ya never know if this booster becomes monstrous.

No Guard Noiv (that is nice to say out loud) is a decent buff to a decent Mon. What else besides Meteor and Hurricane could he abuse I wonder...

and then Arcanine. I will not lie, I use defensive Arcanine in OU to great extent and do hate relying on Intimidate to give him Hippowdon's bulk. While great, just demands switching. Fur coat would, in theory make it so, so much better. He is already better as a defensive fire type than others (Heatran does give best competition, but no recovery) so I have to agree that Fur Coat Arcanine is my vote.
 
Hmm, something troubles me, is parting shot is compatible with assault vest ?

Edit: Obviously it's not; go on voting
 
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Parting Shot Scrafty

Fur Coat Arcanine sounds meh since it already has an ability that makes it take less from physical in a more roundabout way, and if I vote for the other two then I don't really have a chance of overvoting it.

While Parting Shot is pretty swell and could do with being on another Fight/Dark Pokemann.
 
Sergeant Spooky said:
Fully invested Fur Coat Arcanine would have 90/209 physical defense, along with Moonlight and Will-o-Wisp and decent offense. As much love as Arcanine needs, it's a little OP. Giving stuff Fur Coat is like giving stuff Huge Power, I thought we weren't doing that.

Gonna go with Parting Shot Scrafty. Parting Shot is a crazy good move, the only problem with it is that it's only on an unfortunately bad pokemon.
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There is already a Pokemon with similar physical bulk in OU, Mega Aggron, which also has a better ability, SR resistance, and more power. Of course Arcanine would have WoW, Leftovers, and Morning Sun over Mega Aggron, but SR weakness and vulnerability from the special side would still be big problems for Arcanine, not to mention that physical attackers such as Garchomp, Excadrill, Landorus-T, Mega Gyarados, and Terrakion would still be able to get past it.
 
alexwolf said:
There is already a Pokemon with similar physical bulk in OU, Mega Aggron, which also has a better ability, SR resistance, and more power. Of course Arcanine would have WoW, Leftovers, and Morning Sun over Mega Aggron, but SR weakness and vulnerability from the special side would still be big problems for Arcanine, not to mention that physical attackers such as Garchomp, Excadrill, Landorus-T, Mega Gyarados, and Terrakion would still be able to get past it.
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Reliable recovery is huge, though, and lack of it is pretty much the only reason Aggron is in UU. If it had Slack Off or something, it could check nearly every single physical attacker in OU with the exception of some Ground types that are immune to Thunder Wave. And while leftovers are just nice, Will-o-Wisp is one of the best moves for a physical wall. Everything you listed risks gets burned on the switch, and Excadrill gets insta-gibbed by Blitz. I'm not saying it's a terrible suggestion, but on paper it's pretty crazy and would pretty much dethrone a lot of other physical walls.

Also I'd like to suggest Aggron with Slack Off.
 
Sergeant Spooky said:
Reliable recovery is huge, though, and lack of it is pretty much the only reason Aggron is in UU. If it had Slack Off or something, it could check nearly every single physical attacker in OU with the exception of some Ground types that are immune to Thunder Wave. And while leftovers are just nice, Will-o-Wisp is one of the best moves for a physical wall. Everything you listed risks gets burned on the switch, and Excadrill gets insta-gibbed by Blitz. I'm not saying it's a terrible suggestion, but on paper it's pretty crazy and would pretty much dethrone a lot of other physical walls.

Also I'd like to suggest Aggron with Slack Off.
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I also thought of that, yet how does it make sense? I don't see a giant steel monster getting slack off. It would basically make him....godlike, but I would like to see the reasoning for it if ya wouldn't mind cause it escapes me.

Everything else you said was true though. Recovery makes/breaks defensive mons (imagine Rhyperior with that huh?) and being able to use W-o-W to do it even further makes him almost the best physical wall (as two of his three weaknesses are physical, thus he could in theory invest in Sp. Def no?).

EDIT: oh getting off topic. Discussion for and or if it gets the vote.
 
Salemance said:
I also thought of that, yet how does it make sense? I don't see a giant steel monster getting slack off. It would basically make him....godlike, but I would like to see the reasoning for it if ya wouldn't mind cause it escapes me.

Everything else you said was true though.
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Well then give it "Repair," which would just be Recover. We've already got four exact equivalents of Recover, along with a few like Roost and Synthesis that are slightly different. I just didn't want to suggest a new move, and Slack Off was the most fitting.
 
Sergeant Spooky said:
Well then give it "Repair," which would just be Recover. We've already got four exact equivalents of Recover, along with a few like Roost and Synthesis that are slightly different. I just didn't want to suggest a new move, and Slack Off was the most fitting.
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Oh believe me bud, I understand. I've had difficulty trying to get it my self. Meggron with Slack off was one of my first suggestions (followed by Dry Skin Camerupt) yet I could not quite understand how to make it work was all. I was genuinely asking if you had an idea on it to ensure it worked.
 
what's the major difference between Pangoro and Scrafty that would make Scrafty viable in OU? Scrafty could make some interesting pairs with set up sweepers such as M-Mawile, but I don't see a humongous difference between that and the panda bear. I feel like giving Arcanine Fur Coat really increases it's viability and sets it apart from other Pokemon who attempted to do the same thing.

252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Arcanine: 89-105 (23.1 - 27.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

-1 252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 109-130 (28.5 - 34%) -- 99% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

so yeah I'm going to go with Fur Coat Arcanine because it now has the moves and ability to become a very powerful wall/tank.
 
higglybiggly said:
what's the major difference between Pangoro and Scrafty that would make Scrafty viable in OU? Scrafty could make some interesting pairs with set up sweepers such as M-Mawile, but I don't see a humongous difference between that and the panda bear. I feel like giving Arcanine Fur Coat really increases it's viability and sets it apart from other Pokemon who attempted to do the same thing.

252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Arcanine: 89-105 (23.1 - 27.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

-1 252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-T: 109-130 (28.5 - 34%) -- 99% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

so yeah I'm going to go with Fur Coat Arcanine because it now has the moves and ability to become a very powerful wall/tank.
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Scrafty has way better bulk, Intimidate, and a much better movepool, with options such as Drain Punch, Ice Punch, and Knock Off, all reasons why it would be much more viable than Pangoro.
 
alexwolf said:
Scrafty has way better bulk, Intimidate, and a much better movepool, with options such as Drain Punch, Ice Punch, and Knock Off, all reasons why it would be much more viable than Pangoro.
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true but it's typing and speed leave much to be desired. I don't want to go into the specifics of what it can and can't do, so I'll leave that for after a theorymon gets chosen.
 
Such great choices this time around! Like others have said, No Guard Noivern would just be a buff to a couple of his moves, and I also believe the theorymons were supposed to be more defensive. So he's out.

Harvest Torterra sounds really awesome, but compared to the other two I think he's just slightly less good. And his stats are actually quite similar to Fur Coat Arcanine's (except speed).

Well, Fur Coat Arcanine is also really awesome, but he may actually be to strong, he's less interesting, and we already have Altaria to be a wall, so I'm gonna go with Parting Shot Scrafty. I love U-turn to death, and Parting Shot is quite similar.
 
No Guard Noivern
I love how such a tiny buff to something that can barely even abuse it (Hurricane is basically the only thing affected) would totally be enough to make it great in OU.
EDIT: perfect accuracy Focus Miss too (that would just be so satisfying, useful or not), thanks Alexwolf.
 
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