UU Simple Questions Thread

Koishi Komeji said:
Would Alazakam or Togekiss be broken if they somehow managed to drop to this tier? Blissey as well.
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Well, considering the fact that Chansey was just fine in the tier, I really don't see any reason why Blissey, which is much worse, will be broken when it drops (which it should and most likely will), considering the only sets it can run better than Chansey are the legendary Calm Mind and Specs sets.

Volcarona, on the other hand (currently the last OU mon by usage), is an entirely different story. Good luck beating this thing if it manages to drop.

Also yay 1/2 k

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Chansey was okay but everyone hated it.

Blissey can't take physical hits as well, a lot of 3HKOs on Chansey are 2HKOs on Blissey. It'd be marginally less obnoxious but still pretty good.

Alakazam and Togekiss are probably not going to drop, but I don't see them as tier-breakers.
 
What makes Crawdaunt not BL-worthy?

Diggersby received a ban because of his overwhelming power (according to the pastebin log that was previously posted in the XY UU Council thread), and because he is difficult to revenge kill.

The current UU Ban List is also things that are potentially broken, how is Crawdaunt not potentially broken?
Is Crawdaunt not in the same boat as Diggersby?

I've ran calcs on almost everything that would be a reliable check/wall to it, and I can't find a single pokemon that can survive more than two hits from Crawdaunt and successfully kill it. Mega-Aggron gets 2HKO'd. Porygon2 gets OHKO'd with 0 Def EV's. 50% Chance to OHKO with 252+ Def / Stealth Rocks. But Porygon2 only deals back 86%. (Yeah, only, because then the next thing that comes in dies). That's only two of the Pokemon I've run.

The only way I've reliably killed Crawdaunt is by stalling it out with a Sableye.

I feel as though I'm either missing something obvious, or Crawdaunt's overwhelming power is simply being overlooked/ignored.

Anyway, thanks in advance.
 
First of all - crawdaunt's shitty speed makes it pretty easily revenge-able by anything that can take an aqua jet, which if you don't have something like that on your team well nice work building it. Plus the reason diggersby was worse than crawdaunt is that you could conceivably lose your check to it while you were trying to figure out what set it was - it could run band, scarf, 2 different set up sets.

Crawdaunt hits things really hard. That's what it does. Sometimes it runs SD or DD but the way you deal with crawdaunt never really changes.
 
Billtodamax said:
First of all - crawdaunt's shitty speed makes it pretty easily revenge-able by anything that can take an aqua jet, which if you don't have something like that on your team well nice work building it. Plus the reason diggersby was worse than crawdaunt is that you could conceivably lose your check to it while you were trying to figure out what set it was - it could run band, scarf, 2 different set up sets.

Crawdaunt hits things really hard. That's what it does. Sometimes it runs SD or DD but the way you deal with crawdaunt never really changes.
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It helps as well that Normal/Ground is quite complimentary STABs that give it great coverage, only special dual typings or abilities could handle it.
 
From my experience with this gen's UU so far, Poliwrath is still a great hard check to Crawdaunt. He's immune to Crawdaunt's water STAB, resists his dark STAB, and can phaze him out with Circle Throw.

Intimidate Qwilfish cripples Crawdaunt pretty well, too, whittling him down with Thunder Wave and Poison Jab. Does anyone have any experience using Tangrowth to counter/check Crawdaunt?
 
Franklyna said:
From my experience with this gen's UU so far, Poliwrath is still a great hard check to Crawdaunt. He's immune to Crawdaunt's water STAB, resists his dark STAB, and can phaze him out with Circle Throw.

Intimidate Qwilfish cripples Crawdaunt pretty well, too, whittling him down with Thunder Wave and Poison Jab. Does anyone have any experience using Tangrowth to counter/check Crawdaunt?
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Probably, it can take most of the hits but it wont want to switch into Knock off. Also Crawd always be faster, Tangrowth has no reason to build speed and if Crawd gets enough +Attack it might just try to kill with Knock off.

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 354-416 (87.6 - 102.9%) +leftovers lost
 
Speaking of Crawdaunt, how viable would it be in a physical sweeping/wallbreaking core with Hawlucha? Crawdaunt easily dispatches of Doublade, while Hawlucha can maim stuff like Aggron, Poliwrath, Chesnaught and the like.
 
Pardon me if this has been answered elsewhere, but what exactly does it mean that the tier has now gone official? We already have a discussion forum and I don't see one for analyses, so I'm just confused about what it entails.
 
Fizz said:
Pardon me if this has been answered elsewhere, but what exactly does it mean that the tier has now gone official? We already have a discussion forum and I don't see one for analyses, so I'm just confused about what it entails.
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The primary change that I'm aware of is that when UU went official several BL-tier bans went into effect that didn't exist during the beta.
 
Can anyone give me the current UU banlist? I've been looking for a fair while and I haven't found it. The Feb usage thread isn't updated to meet the 1760 stats and doesn't have a banlist.
 
Arikado said:
Woah. I totally meant the Pokemon that changed tiers with the shift to the 1760 stat. I didn't know they made new bans. Thanks!
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http://sim.smogon.com:8080/Threads/retroactiveUU/1850-1850-1760.txt
So far this is what I know of. Everything at 50 or higher is banned to OU and everything lower has either been BL banned or is viable. It's out dated (still has Genesect on) but for now gives an idea what is banned based on usage and what could possibly change.
 
This might be me just being unaware, but with the recent bans and the tier becoming official, I am just wondering: we aren't having suspect tests where you have to get requirements but instead are reintroducing all the BL threats one at a time to see if they are broken? So then will it be the UU council who decides if the reintroduced mon is banned or will we as the community decide? I am not saying that it should be the community's decision but I am just wondering if there will be suspect tests.
 
aidbail45 said:
This might be me just being unaware, but with the recent bans and the tier becoming official, I am just wondering: we aren't having suspect tests where you have to get requirements but instead are reintroducing all the BL threats one at a time to see if they are broken? So then will it be the UU council who decides if the reintroduced mon is banned or will we as the community decide? I am not saying that it should be the community's decision but I am just wondering if there will be suspect tests.
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Taken from the tiering info thread : "Each time we'll keep the suspect in the tier only for as long as we need to in order to determine whether or not it deserves to stay or go back to BL. The council will convene on IRC and over forum PM, come to a decision, and the verdict will be executed."
So yeah, you won't be able to get TC in UU for quite a while. I think I remember kokoloko saying that regular suspect tests were a possibility once all the initial BL mons have been tested. See you in a year I guess...
 
Can anyone link me the updated UU tier w/ bans. I can't find it anywhere.

The list above only shows what just got banned from UU. Is there a list where it just shows a long list of UU Pokemon you can use.
 
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Is there a possibility while testing a Pokemon another Pokemon that can check said Pokemon will also be tested alongside it to see if they can balance each other out (for instance, if Salamence was theoretically tested before Weavile, Weavile also gets tested after a while to see if the metagame can function with both at the same time)?
 
Swamp-Rocket said:
Is there a possibility while testing a Pokemon another Pokemon that can check said Pokemon will also be tested alongside it to see if they can balance each other out (for instance, if Salamence was theoretically tested before Weavile, Weavile also gets tested after a while to see if the metagame can function with both at the same time)?
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Salamence and Weavile don't balance each other out. Weavile balances Salamence out but not the other way around, meaning that Weavile probably will get banned again (except if it isn't broken anymore) and therefore, Salamence too.
 
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