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Well, Cloyster would be just a bit OP with Water Shuriken (Priority+75 BP+STAB? Jesus.), Scald on Blissey makes no sense, and Defog on Whimsicott seems unnecessary when you think about it, as it has Taunt to deal with hazards, as previously stated, and seems to have other moves to run (Sub+Seed+Taunt are pretty necessary, and Moonblast laughs in Taunt's face.), so I'd have to say Electric/Dark Luxray. That would be awesome, and makes a ton of sense with Luxray's flavor. I always loved him, who never used a Luxray in the DPP days?
I know Water Shuriken Cloyster was my idea, but it only has 1 set to run, and that's the shell smash set. So no.
Defog whimsicott? I don't really understand how this works. So no.
Scald Blissey? I like this for the fact that physical attackers may not be able to switch in as easily, although 4MSS.
Electric Dark Luxray is a cool idea, but Luxray is going to need way more than a better typing to be good. I've used Electric-Dark Luxray in a rom hack, and it wasn't that good besides STAB crunch. All psychic and ghost types carry will-o-wisp or focus blast.
Scald Blissey gets my vote because dat 60% burn chance. And it makes sense flavorwise by throwing the water from her boiled eggs at the enemy.
Defog whimsicott? I don't really understand how this works. So no.
Scald Blissey? I like this for the fact that physical attackers may not be able to switch in as easily, although 4MSS.
Electric Dark Luxray is a cool idea, but Luxray is going to need way more than a better typing to be good. I've used Electric-Dark Luxray in a rom hack, and it wasn't that good besides STAB crunch. All psychic and ghost types carry will-o-wisp or focus blast.
Scald Blissey gets my vote because dat 60% burn chance. And it makes sense flavorwise by throwing the water from her boiled eggs at the enemy.
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Electric / Dark Luxray
It is not a mindless offensive buff because strong priority helps revenge kill offensive Pokemon, giving to Cloyster some utility if it doesn't manage to set up.
Dark/Electric Luxray
Water shuriken cloyster
I know I'm late, but all y'all complaining about offensive buffs need to look at the utility strong priority does for cloyster. Besides, what does dark do for luxray besides STAB crunch? It gives it resistances, but that's the main goal as far as I can tell so that seems more contrary to theorymon to me. I just want cloyster to not be KO'd by every priority or fast mon out there
Not saying luxray shouldn't have been slated, I just don't like it as much. I agree that scald blissey would be the most evil thing since stealth rock, so no vote there, and I like priority hits better than priority hazard removal
I know I'm late, but all y'all complaining about offensive buffs need to look at the utility strong priority does for cloyster. Besides, what does dark do for luxray besides STAB crunch? It gives it resistances, but that's the main goal as far as I can tell so that seems more contrary to theorymon to me. I just want cloyster to not be KO'd by every priority or fast mon out there
Not saying luxray shouldn't have been slated, I just don't like it as much. I agree that scald blissey would be the most evil thing since stealth rock, so no vote there, and I like priority hits better than priority hazard removal
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Resisting Shadow Ball spam, while Intimidate prevents it from being 2HKOed by Sacred Sword makes it a good switch in to Aegislash. Resisting Sucker Punch from Bisharp while being able to OHKO back with Superpower means it checks DeoSharp. Being able to manhandle 2 huge threats in the meta is great. Making Luxray Dark/Electric is actually more of being a Dark type with the benefits of a Electric type, rather than being a Electric with the benefits of a Dark type -> being the only Flying resistant Dark type to not be 2HKOed by most unSTABed physical Fighting type attacks is pretty neat. Resistance to 3 very common priority types is just the cherry on the cake. And the main goal is to make something that can switch into Aegislash, Thundurus, Deoxys-S and Talonflame while threatening OHKOs back in return.
At the end of the day, Dark/Electric Luxray is actually a defensively oriented buff rather than an offensively oriented one, and the retype actually focuses more on being a Dark type having the advantages of a Electric type rather than the other way round. I think it has been explained here:
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All right, all right, I guess I'm just sick of people suggesting aegislash and Charizard checks. My bad. Handling deoxys and its favorite partners is pretty impressive
Dark/Electric Luxray. The others do seem interesting but I'm sick of priority filled meta and Cloyster would just be one if the kings while Scald Blissey is just asking for more Conkeldur...
Defog Whim is interesting, but I don't know if that would be making life harder for it make it easier. I would need to debate on him longer for him to get the vote.
Defog Whim is interesting, but I don't know if that would be making life harder for it make it easier. I would need to debate on him longer for him to get the vote.
I was kinda hesitant to vote for any of these but escarlata convinced me dark / electric Luxray it is.
Electric / Dark Luxray
Regarding Cloyster, there's a difference in adding a flavorful and purposeful offensive buff like Water Shuriken, which fits thematically with its ability Skill Link and typing and is something it actually needs, and a mindless offensive buff like adding Adaptability or Sheer Force to everything for example. This at least makes sense.
Honestly, I'm very tempted, but I vote Electric/Dark Luxray. Luxray is so close to OU viable having some great abilities, and Electric typing is becoming one of the new premier typings lately, as is Dark. So let's put them together on something that is unique and thematically appealing as well. Guts and Intimidate are always awesome, outside of Defiant and Competitive pokemon now.
Honestly, I'm very tempted, but I vote Electric/Dark Luxray. Luxray is so close to OU viable having some great abilities, and Electric typing is becoming one of the new premier typings lately, as is Dark. So let's put them together on something that is unique and thematically appealing as well. Guts and Intimidate are always awesome, outside of Defiant and Competitive pokemon now.
Sorry, i know it is not the good time for discussing, by i'll do it. Actually, i agree with you on only 2 points : dark/electric is a nice double type, deoxys is checked. Anything else may make sense in theory, but in the real game, it doesn't. Actually only one hing can explain that, Luxray is too weak to become a good pokemon in OU ( poor movepool support, low stats -bar ATK- and poor 70 BS speed with no priority move). Oh yeah we can believe it can check bisharp, what a pitiful check ! Actually it can't switch in if it has not HP or Def spread, and if you use such spread, it will lack too much speed for being able to do anything else.
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Luxray: 200-237 (66.4 - 78.7%)
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Luxray: 165-195 (54.8 - 64.7%)
What about aegislash, first of all it is affected by kingshiel and will lose ATK can only 4 or 3HKO O.O.
-2 252+ Atk Luxray Crunch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 98-116 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO, in the other hand aegislash have fun even at -1.
Sacred Sword vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Luxray: 164-194 (54.4 - 64.4%).
Well after seeing Luxray will not be a star for defensive role, what about offensive ? Actually the miss of speed and the priority move lack is a big issue, and that double will not solve it. Dark/electriic luxray will be more viable with that double type but i don't think an OU.
BTW i want to vote for blissey+scald but i can't bold it with my phone and i have no computer until tomorrow. If a gentle admin can edit my post, that could be nice. Thanks
Edit: sorry for all mistakes, its really a pain for me to correct them by phone
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While I don't think it will be particularly good, I'm voting for Electric/Dark Luxray. When my Luxio evolved into Luxray and I realized it wasn't a Dark-type in Pearl, I was so disappointed.
I feel like it's the only suggestion that will actually have valid discussion and exploration around it. The rest of the suggestions are pretty one-dimensional, and hell no is Serene Grace Scald okay. Scald is irritating enough already.
I feel like it's the only suggestion that will actually have valid discussion and exploration around it. The rest of the suggestions are pretty one-dimensional, and hell no is Serene Grace Scald okay. Scald is irritating enough already.
I'm torn between Cloyster and Luxray. Both have great potential, but I'm gonna have to go with Electric/Dark Luxray.
Water Shuriken Cloyster
You obviously wouldn't use Intimidate on Luxray if you wanted it to be able to check/counter Bisharp, you'd instead use Guts which lets it act as a nice status absorber and boost it's attack, which would also let you use a defensive spread more viably. And it actually is an excellent Bisharp counter too with the new typing:
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Luxray: 92-109 (25.2 - 29.9%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Luxray: 77-90 (21.1 - 24.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
While Superpower is of course a clean 1HKO:
0 Atk Luxray Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 404-476 (149 - 175.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It still wouldn't be a good OU pokemon though because of how badly GF trolled it in the stats department, but damn it would be a nice and much needed upgrade nonetheless.
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