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Introduction:So, while looking around in the other metas forums, I noticed one thing about all OMs: They have a very short life span. Some are exceptions like STABmons who had like, an 8 month popularity super span. However, for most like tier shift, Slowmons, Suicide Cup, etc. They die very quickly unless someone discovers a new metagame changing set, a new gen or move tutor++ DLC "XY2" kind of game comes out or there is a new event. So basically, unless something new gets added to the mix, we feel a certain, well, staleness, and this is especially true with OMs because we come from OU, UU etc where we know how to play it well, we know the top mons, we know how to peak the ladder, etc. but it's too repetitive for us, so when we get the same feeling from OMs, we just try to switch to the next one in order to avoid the staleness, it's like akwardly running out of things to talk about. BH avoids this because nobody can or will explore every single GOOD combo before somebody finds a new counter to the top pokemon making that counter the top pokemon, then making the meta about beating the top pokemon and the cycle repeats, BH is an endless cycle of freshness and miraculously avoids staleness due to that. So what if another metagame could very well avoid that staleness but not by infinite loops of creativity(well kind of) but by not being a constant, stale, metagame where nothing is changed, so I introduce you -
[INTRODUCTION] Test Subject (1): Welcome to the Lab
Welcome to test subject! Test Subject is an other metagames sub forum experiment as one might say. Basically, what test subject is is a tier where a community of us OM players decided to be the "professors" aka the council take 1-3 mechanic, pokemon, item, move, ability(s), really anything from one gen and put it in another gen. For example: Gen 2 Rest-Sleep Talk mechanics in Gen 6! Or Mega Gengar in ADV, or even A trio or duo of things like Goodra and Heliolisk in gen 5 with a weather themed test subject!
Current professors
- OiawesomeDG
- Arhops
- Asterat
- AWailOfATail
- Keep it Playful
- Kit Kasai
- Leafshield
- Pikachuun
- simsims2800
- The Reptile
- We cannot currently move a mechanic from a later gen to gen 1 or 2 due to EV mechanics on Pokemon Showdown
- We will vote on 1-3 Test Subjects per week
- Nomination period lasts 2 days, Voting Lasts 1-2 Days and Play Testing and Discussion Lasts anywhere from 3 to 4 days
- I'll start the opening of nominations for the council every Saturday and voting will start mondays, if I don't start it by 7:00 PM Pacific Time GMT -8 I'll leave it to Pikachuun to start the voting for me
Every test subject will have a new "opening" post like this as well with a title and list of our findings On the saturday of voting, we can also talk on if it's
- Too Good - Broken
- Great - Top meta threat
- Good
- Balanced - Like B rank viability rankings
- Not Good
- A Failure / Bad
Anyways our current test subject is:
Test Subject (3): 3Spooky5You
Hello people it's been long past the appropriate amount of time, and in order to progress this, I have decided on the next test subject:
Aegislash in BW OU(has stance change too)
Have fun
- Good conversation piece:
- How well does Aegislash fair in the metagame of BW OU?
- In what archetypes is it most effective on?
- Is it effective at all? YES LOL ITS AEGIS
- What common threats does it effectively block?
- How does the gen 5 typechart help it or hurt it?
- Will it make weatherless more effective or sun more anti meta?
- How does it fair in the viability ranks?
- Does it make the metagame unhealthy?
If everybody who wants to nominate/vote does nominate/vote already or I decide to end it early, then we can start the next round of test subject faster than usual!
Playability: none for now, but will be in a while
- Archived Subjects so far
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Mega gengar would probably be the best pokemon by farin ADV
It would have Aerodactyl speed + the highest sp atk in the game even with a Timid nature.
Some things that could work with it:
a) Explosion + special sweepers => trap and kill special walls
b) Hypno/Sub + Focus Punch + T-Bolt + Ice Punch => sleep something and kill it.
c) Bulky WoW => Guranteed burn vs some sweeper
d) Offensive: T-bolt, Ice Punch, GDrain, Fire Punch/Hypnosis
The list of things this thing could trap and kill is huge.
T-tar => sleep and fpunch
Celebi => cant kill with psychic and its 2hkoed by ice punch or fire punch
Suicune => is 2hkoes by t-bolt. crocune might have a chance to win
Gengar => slower and weaker, it's slept and 2hkoed
Salamence => OHKOed by IPunch, and MGengar could easily be EVd to survive a +1 HP Flying which is Mence strongest attack. Just don't swith in an EQ.
Skarmory => Yeah
Zapdos => MGengar wins 1vs1
Heracross => Especially if MGengar has FPunch.
Swampert => If MGengar has GDrain.
Blissey => It could sleep + fpunch, or use Sub (IB wont break it) and then Focus Punch, or just explode
Flygon => If MGengar manages to switch into something different than EQ, its dead
Starmie => Slower, and it's OHKOed by t-bolt
Milotic => 2hkoed by t-bolt unless it has some Sp def evs
Forretress => especially with fire punch
Gyarados => Slower even after a DD, unless jolly gyara, which is too weak
etc, etc
It can have many roles, like removing Swampert for heavy hitters (t-tar, ddmence, metagross...), removing spinners like Starmie or Forretress, and it can also be a better Magnezone that can trap and kill every Spiker, etc
Crunch + Pursuit tar with lum berry is probably the best way of beatlng it, but it can lose if Gengar has Focus Punch, or it could be bulky and just switch out to a Dugtrio, while easily surviving the pursuit.
Wish + MGengar + Dugtrio is probably a good core, with Dugtrio removing a lot of things that can give Gengar problems.
To sum it up, MGengar in ADV is a mon that can easily trap and kill more than half of the metagame to support the team and that can also easily sweep. It's like a faster, stronger and bulkier Dugtrio with a better typing, great resistances and inmunities and with an extremely better movepool.
It would probably even dominate ubers
What about something like this?
Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Fire Punch
- Protect
On Turn 1, you set up a Protect and Mega Evolve. The opponent may try to kill Gengar before it Mega Evolves, and this stops them from doing so. Alternatively, if the opponent switches to something else, this gives Gengar the opportunity to switch as well, on Turn 2. Otherwise, the opponent is now trapped by Shadow Tag. At that point, the only things that will outspeed Gengar are Ninjask and Electrode, with it speed-tying Jolteon, Crobat, and Aerodactyl (the latter two of which have access to Pursuit, but with such low Special Attack, it shouldn't matter, even Crobat, with higher Special Attack, typically doesn't carry any SpAtk investment, so it will only do 36.2 - 42.7% to Mega Gengar). From there, Gengar becomes a special sweeper with Thunderbolt and Psychic being its two most powerful special-based moves. This combo is resisted only by Magneton, Exeggutor, and Celebi, so Fire Punch was an obvious choice for the final move. Psychic is also good for taking out opposing Mega Gengars, because bear in mind that in ADV, Shadow Tag doesn't let you switch out, even if you also have Shadow Tag. In Ubers, however, Gengar's greatest enemy is Deoxys, who outspeeds it in all forms (save Deoxys-D) and can hit it with a strong Shadow Ball or Pursuit. Of course, in Ubers, Gengar can just carry around Perish Song+Protect+Substitute.
Edit: I just made a team, so I'll be on the server if anyone wants to play.
sorry for double
Damn, a good post, shouldn't have expected any less from such a competitive Old gens player such as yourself, MDragon :]. ANyways, remember, it has to spend a turn Mega Evolving which is the main problem, the speed doesn't take effect and the trapping doesn't really take effect until next turn. This means CB Aero can EQ it before it Tbolt kills you. Also, this means regular Gar can switch into EQ due to levitate, and THEN M-evo to handle the threats.
So I've come up with this set so far:
Ability: Levitate => Shadow Tag
EVs: 224 HP / 32 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
Substitute / Protect / Taunt | Disable | Will-O-Wisp | Thunderbolt or Ice Punch
So yeah, stallbreaker and sweeper handler. TormentProtect or Disable + WoW beats both DDTar and DDMence since you burn and disable their EQs. 224 HP EVs survive a +2 rock slide or +2 HP Flying from mence and ttar respectively with over 30% health remaining. More details later, but I think you get the jist.double posting just to say we got our first match done! we both stole teams from bkcs archive thread because we didn't have time to make our own, so here's the log!
ihba0002 joined.
Oiawesome joined.
Format:
Test Subject (1)
Sleep Clause Mod: Limit one foe put to sleep
Species Clause: Limit one of each Pokemon
OHKO Clause: OHKO moves are banned
Moody Clause: Moody is banned
Evasion Moves Clause: Evasion moves are banned
Endless Battle Clause: Forcing endless battles is banned.
HP Percentage Mod: HP is reported as percentages
Battle between ihba0002 and Oiawesome started!
ihba0002 sent out Gengar!
Go! Gengar!
Turn 1
Battle timer is now ON: inactive players will automatically lose when time's up. (requested by ihba0002)
You have 300 seconds to make your decision.
Gengar, come back!
Go! Swampert!
Gengar has Mega Evolved into Mega Gengar!
The opposing Gengar used Taunt!
Swampert fell for the taunt!
Turn 2
You have 300 seconds to make your decision.
Battle timer is now OFF.
ihba0002 withdrew Gengar!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
Swampert used Earthquake!
It's not very effective... The opposing Celebi lost 13% of its health!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's taunt wore off!
Turn 3
ihba0002 withdrew Celebi!
ihba0002 sent out Gengar!
Swampert, come back!
Go! Salamence!
Salamence intimidates the opposing Gengar!
The opposing Gengar's Attack fell!
Turn 4
The opposing Gengar used Shadow Ball!
Salamence lost 13.6% of its health!
Salamence used Earthquake!
It's super effective! The opposing Gengar lost 100% of its health!
The opposing Gengar fainted!
ihba0002 sent out Swampert!
Turn 5
Oiawesome: shadow ball is physical in adv
Oiawesome: :/
Oiawesome: learn 2 gen 3
Salamence, come back!
Go! Zapdos!
The opposing Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! Zapdos lost 29.2% of its health!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 6
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! The opposing Swampert lost 61% of its health!
The opposing Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! Zapdos lost 27.1% of its health!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 7
ihba0002: Danm it
ihba0002 withdrew Swampert!
ihba0002 sent out Blissey!
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
The opposing Blissey lost 8% of its health!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 8
Zapdos, come back!
Go! Gengar!
The opposing Blissey used Flamethrower!
Gengar lost 39.5% of its health!
The opposing Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 9
Gengar has Mega Evolved into Mega Gengar!
Gengar used Thunderbolt!
A critical hit! The opposing Blissey lost 33% of its health!
The opposing Blissey used Flamethrower!
Gengar lost 32.2% of its health!
The opposing Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 10
Gengar used Explosion!
The opposing Blissey lost 73% of its health!
The opposing Blissey fainted!
Gengar fainted!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
Go! Zapdos!
Turn 11
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
Zapdos lost 21.1% of its health!
Zapdos used Rest!
Zapdos fell asleep!
Zapdos slept and became healthy!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 12
Zapdos, come back!
Go! Salamence!
Salamence intimidates the opposing Celebi!
The opposing Celebi's Attack fell!
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Salamence was seeded!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Salamence's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 13
Salamence used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 85% of its health!
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
Salamence lost 43.5% of its health!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Salamence's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 14
Salamence, come back!
Go! Skarmory!
The opposing Celebi used Recover!
The opposing Celebi regained health!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 15
ihba0002 withdrew Celebi!
ihba0002 sent out Tyranitar!
The opposing Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the opposing team!
The sandstorm rages.
Turn 16
Skarmory, come back!
Go! Swampert!
The opposing Tyranitar used Flamethrower!
It's not very effective... Swampert lost 10.4% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 17
ihba0002 withdrew Tyranitar!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
The opposing Celebi is hurt by the spikes!
Swampert used Earthquake!
It's not very effective... The opposing Celebi lost 12% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 18
Swampert, come back!
Go! Blissey!
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Blissey was seeded!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Blissey is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 19
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
Blissey lost 12.3% of its health!
Blissey used Wish!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Blissey is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 20
ihba0002 withdrew Celebi!
ihba0002 sent out Tyranitar!
The opposing Tyranitar is hurt by the spikes!
Blissey used Protect!
But it failed!
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Blissey's wish came true!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 21
The opposing Tyranitar used Pursuit!
A critical hit! Blissey lost 12.8% of its health!
Blissey used Wish!
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 22
Blissey, come back!
Go! Salamence!
Salamence intimidates the opposing Tyranitar!
The opposing Tyranitar's Attack fell!
The opposing Tyranitar used Rock Slide!
It's super effective! Salamence lost 18.1% of its health!
Salamence fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Go! Swampert!
Turn 23
ihba0002 withdrew Tyranitar!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
The opposing Celebi is hurt by the spikes!
Swampert, come back!
Go! Skarmory!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 24
ihba0002 withdrew Celebi!
ihba0002 sent out Tyranitar!
The opposing Tyranitar is hurt by the spikes!
Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the opposing team!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 25
Skarmory, come back!
Go! Blissey!
The opposing Tyranitar used Flamethrower!
Blissey lost 9.6% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Blissey is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Blissey restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 26
The opposing Tyranitar used Rock Slide!
A critical hit! Blissey lost 52.6% of its health!
Blissey fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Go! Swampert!
Turn 27
The opposing Tyranitar used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! Swampert lost 63.4% of its health!
Swampert used Earthquake!
It's super effective! The opposing Tyranitar lost 57.0% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 28
The opposing Tyranitar used Pursuit!
Swampert lost 27.5% of its health!
Swampert, come back!
Go! Zapdos!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 29
Zapdos is fast asleep.
The opposing Tyranitar used Rock Slide!
Zapdos avoided the attack!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 30
Zapdos is fast asleep.
The opposing Tyranitar used Rock Slide!
It's super effective! Zapdos lost 74.0% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 31
Zapdos woke up!
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! The opposing Tyranitar lost 38% of its health!
The opposing Tyranitar used Pursuit!
Zapdos lost 11.7% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Tyranitar restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 32
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! The opposing Tyranitar lost 36% of its health!
The opposing Tyranitar fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
ihba0002 sent out Swampert!
The opposing Swampert is hurt by the spikes!
Turn 33
Zapdos used Hidden Power!
It's super effective! The opposing Swampert lost 28.0% of its health!
The opposing Swampert fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
Zapdos is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Zapdos restored HP using its Leftovers!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
The opposing Celebi is hurt by the spikes!
Turn 34
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
Zapdos lost 14.3% of its health!
Zapdos fainted!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Go! Skarmory!
Turn 35
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Skarmory was seeded!
Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of the opposing team!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Skarmory's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 36
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
It's not very effective... Skarmory lost 17.7% of its health!
Skarmory used Whirlwind!
Forretress was dragged out!
The opposing Forretress is hurt by the spikes!
The sandstorm rages.
Skarmory restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Forretress restored HP using its Leftovers!
Skarmory's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 37
Skarmory, come back!
Go! Swampert!
The opposing Forretress used Rapid Spin!
Swampert lost 3.5% of its health!
The spikes disappeared from around the opposing team's feet!
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Forretress restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 38
Swampert used Rest!
Swampert fell asleep!
Swampert slept and became healthy!
The opposing Forretress used Earthquake!
Swampert lost 15.1% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
The opposing Forretress restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 39
ihba0002 withdrew Forretress!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
Swampert is fast asleep.
Swampert used Sleep Talk!
Swampert used Rest!
But it failed!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 40
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Swampert avoided the attack!
Swampert is fast asleep.
Swampert used Sleep Talk!
Swampert used Rest!
But it failed!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 41
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Swampert was seeded!
Swampert woke up!
Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 35% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 42
The opposing Celebi used Recover!
The opposing Celebi regained health!
Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 36% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 43
Swampert, come back!
Go! Skarmory!
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
It's not very effective... Skarmory lost 18.0% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Skarmory restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 44
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
It's not very effective... Skarmory lost 16.2% of its health!
Skarmory used Rest!
Skarmory fell asleep!
Skarmory slept and became healthy!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 45
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Skarmory was seeded!
Skarmory is fast asleep.
Skarmory used Sleep Talk!
Skarmory used Whirlwind!
Forretress was dragged out!
The sandstorm rages.
Skarmory's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 46
Skarmory, come back!
Go! Swampert!
ihba0002 withdrew Forretress!
ihba0002 sent out Celebi!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 47
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Swampert was seeded!
Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 35% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 48
The opposing Celebi used Recover!
The opposing Celebi regained health!
Swampert used Ice Beam!
A critical hit! It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 68% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 49
The opposing Celebi used Recover!
The opposing Celebi regained health!
Swampert used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! The opposing Celebi lost 35% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 50
Swampert, come back!
Go! Skarmory!
The opposing Celebi used Psychic!
It's not very effective... Skarmory lost 17.4% of its health!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Skarmory restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 51
Skarmory, come back!
Go! Swampert!
The opposing Celebi used Leech Seed!
Swampert was seeded!
The sandstorm rages.
The opposing Celebi is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The opposing Celebi restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert restored HP using its Leftovers!
Swampert's health is sapped by Leech Seed!
Turn 52
Oiawesome: eh w.e
Oiawesome forfeited.
ihba0002 won the battle!
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