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Pokémon Aegislash
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Although its worth noting that Weakness Policy Aegislash can get the kill with Shadow Ball alone:
+2 252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 364-430 (101.6 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 333-393 (93 - 109.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 364-430 (101.6 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 333-393 (93 - 109.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
But Aegislash can't really tank a LO Garchomp's EQ, especially not without max HP (which I presume is the case for Autotomize sets, though I've never used one so I could be wrong), so the weakness policy boost wouldn't come into play:
252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 299-354 (92.2 - 109.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Without max HP he goes down every time. He can take an EQ from non-LO Lando-T slightly better (though again, not if Aegis doesn't have max HP), and can beat it with +2 shadow ball followed by a sneak. But better to just pack the HP Ice and clean up without having to tank a hit:
252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-T: 352-416 (92.1 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 336-396 (93.8 - 110.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
With rash instead of naughty or with stealth rock support you're golden.
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I've been running 252HP / 172 Att / 84 Spe Adamant Aegislash. Was wondering what I should move around to give it enough Speed to outrun 0 Spe Heatran to hit it w/ a Sacred Sword after I SD on its switch in as that has been a problem for it and I want to be able to take it out. Want it to have as much Bulk as possible but would hate to sacrifice too much attack as well. If it matters I don't want to consider losing Leftovers as it allows it to set up easier.
It's not a huge deal either way. You need 140 EVs in speed to outspeed 0 Speed Heatran, and you already have 84, so that means 56 EVs or only 13-14 stat points. If you cut if from HP it will only cost you 1 less HP from leftovers recovery each turn. From attack it will probably not be too significant either, at +2 Secret Sword is still an OHKO on pretty much all Heatran whether at 172 or 116 Atk EVs.
First time posting but Aegislash is so interesting i couldn't resist putting up this set to see what people think.
currently only breeding one so haven't got to use it yet but i feel something like this could be effective.
Mixed Attacker
Ability: Stance Change
Item: Weakness Policy
Nature: Hardy
IV: All 31
EV: Hp 88, Atk 126 SpA 126, Spe 164.
Moveset:
Autotomize
Shadow Ball
Sacred Sword
Iron Head.
I know using completely nuetral natures isn't really done but i'm finding it hard to justify to myself lowering any of his stats.
6 perfect IVs is almost mandatory as he really needs to be able to do everything (tank a hit to set up auto and WP).
not sure how viable this set will be as it may lack power due to split EVs but it's just an idea. Flash cannon can be used instead of Iron Head with more EVs in SpA but iron head suits my team build better. Thoughts?
currently only breeding one so haven't got to use it yet but i feel something like this could be effective.
Mixed Attacker
Ability: Stance Change
Item: Weakness Policy
Nature: Hardy
IV: All 31
EV: Hp 88, Atk 126 SpA 126, Spe 164.
Moveset:
Autotomize
Shadow Ball
Sacred Sword
Iron Head.
I know using completely nuetral natures isn't really done but i'm finding it hard to justify to myself lowering any of his stats.
6 perfect IVs is almost mandatory as he really needs to be able to do everything (tank a hit to set up auto and WP).
not sure how viable this set will be as it may lack power due to split EVs but it's just an idea. Flash cannon can be used instead of Iron Head with more EVs in SpA but iron head suits my team build better. Thoughts?
Sometimes for Mandibuzz, but the Subsword set is better for screwing over Mandi.
After trying it, it doesn't seem to be useful on it and it does so much recoil.
Thanks a lot, with E-Belt Goodra being the only thing that can remove Heatran w/ surprise EQ that thing still has been causing all sorts of trouble for my team as the only Pokmon I've been seeing that can successfully Lure it in repeatedly is Aegislash.
Aegislash@Leftovers
Adamant
Stance Change
252 HP / 116 Att / 140 Spe
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-Sacred Sword
-Iron Head
+2 116+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 418-492 (108.2 - 127.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That's gonna solve a lot of my problems and still enough Power to break Mega Venusaur and Clefable.
SubKS is also hilarious against most stall teams, especially if you're going on the offensive immediately, as most people are surprised when they see it, and can't do jack shit back to Aegis, as it constantly recovers With KS+Leftovers, and It's Sub is pretty strong too. I don't remember if it was already mentioned, but it's a really cool set.
Aegislash@Leftovers
Quiet Nature
EVs: 252 HP/252 SpA/4 Atk
Moveset:
- King's Shield
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
Aegislash@Leftovers
Quiet Nature
EVs: 252 HP/252 SpA/4 Atk
Moveset:
- King's Shield
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
I used to run a Max Attack/Speed Life Orb SD set with Head Smash and Shadow Claw, it had surprisingly good neutral coverage in practice, putting serious pressure on Rotom-W, which would have dismantled my VoltTurn core if given the chance. This was back before 44 speed on Rotom was in vogue, but a Shadow Claw/Head smash on the Switch, followed by a sneak usually did him in after rocks.
When matched up against Mandibuzz, I admit that 2HKOing yourself kind of sucks, but killing the turkey is even more satisfying, especially when your team has a hit and run sensibility without the time or bulk for taunt.
At the end of the day, Head Smash is situational, but very threatening to those who seek to tank a Sacred Sword.
TheEpicBro I keep seeing SubSlashes play around with speed investment to exploit his crowded speed bracket. One finds that they can exploit Azumarril, Mawile and Tyranitar into racking up extra damage and attack drops and proceeding to KO or force them out.
It almost feels like Toxic would be the superior option on min-Speed Aegislash, as it would allow you to cripple those you lure instead of spending an exploitable turn to King's Shield, or take a hit, then earmark an additional 25% for a substitute.
For the health of a team's momentum, offensive SubSlash likes its speed. In my experience, at least.
This is the reason I run Autotomize on Aegislash. Also why I run defense envestment
Why does everyone hate swords dance+kings shield so much? Becase its so easy to use? Becase it gains perfect coverage with just sacred sword and shadow sneak? Or because its getting old?
-You are vulnerable to burns
-Your main STAB move is 40 fucking BP
-It requires several turns of set-up to be threatening
-Aegislash prefers going second
-Shadowball is strongth
-You are laughably easy to wall
-It just fucking sucks
You mean stance dance?
I've been trying out Pursuit Aegislash and it can be very effective when done right. Pursuit's unSTAB and as such won't be doing too much damage, but it's a great tool for whittling down an opposing threat's HP as it tries to switch out.
>Opponent sent out Staraptor!
>Staraptor was hurt by rocks!
>Go Aegislash!
>Staraptor used Double Edge/Close Combat/Brave Bird/Any other move that won't hurt Aegislash
>Staraptor, come back!
>Aegislash used Pursuit! 88 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Pursuit vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Staraptor: 152-179 (48.7 - 57.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO
And now, of course assuming that you don't get the 5% chance to get a low damage roll, Staraptor will not be able to come back onto the field with the rocks up, whereas before it would have been able to switch in two more times.
Pursuit Aegislash fits well with entry hazard spamming teams and with Pokemon that are checked/countered by Pokemon that are checked/countered by Aegislash and hurt by Pursuit. ..Yeah I didn't word that very well. So basically if you use a Pokemon that is weak to Latios, you can lure Latios in, switch in to Aegislash, and do some big damage to it with the surprise Pursuit as it tries to switch. And if it doesn't switch, well Pursuit+Shadow Sneak should be enough to kill.
Here's the set I use, if anyone wants to try it out..
Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 168 HP / 88 Atk / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Pursuit
- Iron Head
>Opponent sent out Staraptor!
>Staraptor was hurt by rocks!
>Go Aegislash!
>Staraptor used Double Edge/Close Combat/Brave Bird/Any other move that won't hurt Aegislash
>Staraptor, come back!
>Aegislash used Pursuit! 88 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Pursuit vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Staraptor: 152-179 (48.7 - 57.3%) -- 94.5% chance to 2HKO
And now, of course assuming that you don't get the 5% chance to get a low damage roll, Staraptor will not be able to come back onto the field with the rocks up, whereas before it would have been able to switch in two more times.
Pursuit Aegislash fits well with entry hazard spamming teams and with Pokemon that are checked/countered by Pokemon that are checked/countered by Aegislash and hurt by Pursuit. ..Yeah I didn't word that very well. So basically if you use a Pokemon that is weak to Latios, you can lure Latios in, switch in to Aegislash, and do some big damage to it with the surprise Pursuit as it tries to switch. And if it doesn't switch, well Pursuit+Shadow Sneak should be enough to kill.
Here's the set I use, if anyone wants to try it out..
Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 168 HP / 88 Atk / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Shadow Sneak
- Pursuit
- Iron Head
Personally in that situation I would just Shadow Ball/Sacred Sword whatever switches in since there's no way in hell a Staraptor would stay in on an Aegislash, but Pursuit is a very good option for Aegislash (especially for trapping the Latis). Also, your set is better off just maxing out your offenses if you're not running King's Shield, as the HP EVs are kinda useless.
So what exactly is this SubToxic set that I'm hearing?
Substitute/Toxic/King's Shield/Shadow Ball
Not so sure on the EVs but I'm assuming it'll pretty much all be dumped into bulk, perhaps some Special Attack investment as well. It's a great stallmon.
Not really. It's max HP and SpAtk, it's essentially the crumbler but doesn't have to worry as much about prediction to avoid taking a hit in Bkade form, and it can Toxic Pokemon like Hippowdon who otherwise counter it. I'm not a big fan though as it's pretty much forced to run Leftovers and I like the power of Spooky Plate
It might not hit as hard, but its a hell of a lot more flexible than Crumbler, and lasts a good deal longer too.
Personally, I love it. Being able to set up a Sub and Toxic a counter or just go crazy with
Is a fully offensive/attacker (ie. not using SpAtk or Shadow Ball) viable?
Aegislash likes it's priority in Shadow Sneak, Sacred Sword allows it to somewhat beat checks like Bisharp, Terrakion, Mamoswine, T-Tar, Chansey (which you can't really do anything too unless you have Toxic) so I don't see why it should give it up. I don't understand why a lot of sets seem to include Flash Cannon over Iron Head though? Wouldn't Iron Head be more effective as it's most Fairies have a higher SpDef or is Flash Cannon to counter something other than just Fairies. I feel King Shield is kind of mandatory too to get Aegislash in Shield Forme when necessary.
So, I'm thinking a set like:
Aegislash @ Life Orb (?)
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4
Adamant Nature
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Iron Head
Or do you think Aegislash would miss Shadow Ball too much?
Aegislash likes it's priority in Shadow Sneak, Sacred Sword allows it to somewhat beat checks like Bisharp, Terrakion, Mamoswine, T-Tar, Chansey (which you can't really do anything too unless you have Toxic) so I don't see why it should give it up. I don't understand why a lot of sets seem to include Flash Cannon over Iron Head though? Wouldn't Iron Head be more effective as it's most Fairies have a higher SpDef or is Flash Cannon to counter something other than just Fairies. I feel King Shield is kind of mandatory too to get Aegislash in Shield Forme when necessary.
So, I'm thinking a set like:
Aegislash @ Life Orb (?)
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4
Adamant Nature
- King's Shield
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Iron Head
Or do you think Aegislash would miss Shadow Ball too much?
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Without Shadow Ball, Aegislash loses a ton of its potential as it loses its most spammable STAB move, which compromises a its ability to break walls so well. It can (and often should) use Sacred Sword as well to hit its best check, Bisharp, on the switch, so you don't really miss out on anything by using Shadow Ball either.
Also, a few other things: Life Orb is a pretty bad item on Aegi since its fantastic natural bulk is a lot of what makes to so great. Also, your set has waaaay too many EVs. Finally, Aegislash is in no way checked by Chansey since Chansey cannot damage it back.
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