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Okay I'm going to explain this one more time for those who didn't understand post 361
The only submissions that can be posted in the thread are Nidoking, Raticate, Clefable and Wigglytuff.
If you had a pokemon reserved before I stopped adding in reservations then once you are finished PM me your finished product and I'll give you feedback
Do not post reservations or submissions in this thread besides the ones I am currently suggesting I hope this makes sense.
The only submissions that can be posted in the thread are Nidoking, Raticate, Clefable and Wigglytuff.
If you had a pokemon reserved before I stopped adding in reservations then once you are finished PM me your finished product and I'll give you feedback
Do not post reservations or submissions in this thread besides the ones I am currently suggesting I hope this makes sense.
Type: Fairy>>>Fairy/Flying
Stats: 95/70/73/85/90/60>>>95/120/73/115/80/90
Ability: Cute Charm/Magic Guard/Unaware>>>Aerilate
Movepool: same
Being OU I had to find a different role for Megable
It has wings
It has wings
Guys, let's focus on Raticate first, three mons kinda seems too much even for the current thread.
I also like Dark Typing for Raticate (OG Team Rocket Represent). I do think the +45 Speed is a little ridiculous combined with the +40 Attack, though. I don't think Bulldoze and Rock Tomb are very flavorful for Raticate, either. (How is a Rat bulldozing or burying you in rocks?)
While I like Strong Jaw for Raticate, you gave it too many new moves. I do think it's a crime that Raticate doesn't get more Fang abilities (LOOK AT THOSE TEETH), but Counter, Infestation, Superpower, and Extreme Speed don't make sense. Nice stat spread, but I think you need to tone down the Speed and maybe move some of that to Def or SpD.
Ugh you made it way too fast. Also that ability is too OP. It's strictly better than Unnerve in every way.
You added too many new moves, and that jump in Physical Attack just seems excessive. Maybe move some of the Attack boosts to Special Attack to not make Raticate too excessive? I also can't see how Bulldoze and Shadow Sneak fit in with the flavor of this being a Plague Rat.
No. Just no. You completely dropped his original typing, gave it a new ability, gave it a new ability that would be hell to program. Nice stat spread though.
I also like Dark Typing for Raticate (OG Team Rocket Represent). I do think the +45 Speed is a little ridiculous combined with the +40 Attack, though. I don't think Bulldoze and Rock Tomb are very flavorful for Raticate, either. (How is a Rat bulldozing or burying you in rocks?)
Poison kills rats though...
Normal > Normal
BST: 55/81/60/50/70/97 > 55/111/70/70/80/127 (+30 Atk / 10 Def / 20 SpA / 10 SpD / 30 Spe)
Ability: Run Away/Guts/Hustle > Mega ability: Strong Jaw
New moves: Ice Fang (Egg move), Fire Fang (egg move), Thunder Fang (egg move), Counter, Infestation, Double Kick, Superpower (event only, incompatible with ExtremeSpeed or egg moves), ExtremeSpeed (event locked to Adamant only, incompatible with Superpower or egg moves).
This should be so self-explanatory I shouldn't have to explain it.
While I like Strong Jaw for Raticate, you gave it too many new moves. I do think it's a crime that Raticate doesn't get more Fang abilities (LOOK AT THOSE TEETH), but Counter, Infestation, Superpower, and Extreme Speed don't make sense. Nice stat spread, but I think you need to tone down the Speed and maybe move some of that to Def or SpD.
Ugh you made it way too fast. Also that ability is too OP. It's strictly better than Unnerve in every way.
You added too many new moves, and that jump in Physical Attack just seems excessive. Maybe move some of the Attack boosts to Special Attack to not make Raticate too excessive? I also can't see how Bulldoze and Shadow Sneak fit in with the flavor of this being a Plague Rat.
No. Just no. You completely dropped his original typing, gave it a new ability, gave it a new ability that would be hell to program. Nice stat spread though.
Clefable-Mega
Type: Fairy>>>Fairy/Flying
Stats: 95/70/73/85/90/60>>>95/120/73/105/90/90
Ability: Cute Charm/Magic Guard/Unaware>>>Aerilate
Movepool: same
Being OU I had to find a different role for Megable
It has wings
I've got an idea for Nidoking.
Nidoking (Nidokingite? Nidonite M?)
Poison/Ground
Abulities: Poison Point, Rivalry (Sheer Force) -> Sheer Force
New Moves: Energy Ball, Gunk Shot
Stats:
HP: 81 -> 81
Atk: 102 -> 142 (+40)
Def: 77 -> 87 (+10)
SpA: 85 -> 105 (+20)
SpD: 75 -> 85 (+10)
Spe: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Total: 505 -> 605
So, now physical and mixed Nidoking are viable. At least now both its physical STABs are boosted by Sheer Force. It gets some more Special Attack so it can still use Fire Blast to nail Skarmory, Ferrothor, Forretress, and Energy Ball just because I feel like it fits him. Gunk Shot is for strong STAB and it has usable accuracy now (120 power 80 acc is better than Hydro Pump now).
Nidoking (Nidokingite? Nidonite M?)
Poison/Ground
Abulities: Poison Point, Rivalry (Sheer Force) -> Sheer Force
New Moves: Energy Ball, Gunk Shot
Stats:
HP: 81 -> 81
Atk: 102 -> 142 (+40)
Def: 77 -> 87 (+10)
SpA: 85 -> 105 (+20)
SpD: 75 -> 85 (+10)
Spe: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Total: 505 -> 605
So, now physical and mixed Nidoking are viable. At least now both its physical STABs are boosted by Sheer Force. It gets some more Special Attack so it can still use Fire Blast to nail Skarmory, Ferrothor, Forretress, and Energy Ball just because I feel like it fits him. Gunk Shot is for strong STAB and it has usable accuracy now (120 power 80 acc is better than Hydro Pump now).
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Right, so I feel that whoever did Fur Coat Wigglytuff has the right idea. If you read the descriptions on the dex, it's basically nonstop talk about how soft its fur is or whatever. So, here's my proposed set:
Wigglytuff
Type: Normal/Fairy -> Normal/Fairy
Ability: Cute Charm/Competitive/Frisk -> Fur Coat
HP: 140 -> 140
Wigglytuff
Type: Normal/Fairy -> Normal/Fairy
Ability: Cute Charm/Competitive/Frisk -> Fur Coat
Atk: 70 -> 80 (+10)
Def: 45 -> 65 (+20)
SAtk: 85 -> 105 (+20)
SDef: 50 -> 100 (+50
Spe: 45 -> 45
New Moves: None
Right, so, a few current megas have very specific roles from their face-smashing cousins. Prankster Banette, Defensive titan Aggron, etc.
SO, what I've done is made this pink bunny tailored to be a superb mixed wall and fabulous cleric. Huge Wish passes, access to status moves galore, Perish Song, Heal Bell, etc. Basically, everything a good cleric would need. With the defense stat doubled and the Special Attack nicely buffed, Wigglytuff is finally no longer horribly outclassed in every way, and while it does take up a mega slot.
Fur Coat is THE perfect ability for the Tuff. Srsly. Read the Dex description. Flawless.
Anyway, that's my contribution! Hope to have helped
Edit: For the lazy, the Dex descriptions:
"The rich, fluffy fur that covers its body feels so good that anyone who feels it can't stop
touching it"
"Its fur is extremely fine, dense, and supple. The exquisitely pleasant fur conveys an image of luxury."
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Aerilate you srsClefable-Mega
Type: Fairy>>>Fairy/Flying
Stats: 95/70/73/85/90/60>>>95/120/73/105/90/90
Ability: Cute Charm/Magic Guard/Unaware>>>Aerilate
Movepool: same
Being OU I had to find a different role for Megable
It has wings
The stats seem good, but I really don't like that Rock/Poison typing. Poison/Ground is his original, and I see no real reason to change that.I've got an idea for Nidoking.
Nidoking (Nidokingite? Nidonite M?)
Poison/Ground -> Poison/Rock
Abulities: Poison Point, Rivalry (Sheer Force) -> Sheer Force
New Moves: Energy Ball
Stats:
HP: 81 -> 81
Atk: 102 -> 142 (+40)
Def: 77 -> 87 (+10)
SpA: 85 -> 105 (+20)
SpD: 75 -> 85 (+10)
Spe: 85 -> 105 (+20)
Total: 535 -> 635
So, now physical Nidoking is viable. Poison Jab and Rock Slide for STAB, and can still use EQ for coverage. At least now both its physical STABs are boosted by Sheer Force. It gets some more Special Attack so it can still use Fire Blast to nail Skarmory, Ferrothor, Forretress, and Energy Ball just because I feel like it fits him. He resists Bug, Flying, Fire, Normal, and Fairy, and trades an Ice weakness for Steel / more weak to Ground (although that would've KOed it either way). I just wanted to give it a unique type while keeping the core type of its evolution line.
Sure I guess, we could easily drop Shadow Sneak (or even Gastro Acid).
What. It's a 38% increase. Less than CB. Would CB Technician Raticate be that strong for the metagame? I don't see Blastoise's Aura Spheres breaking OU.
Maybe not Bulldoze (it was there to hit Steels but lol Flame Wheel), but... how can rats not be sneaky?
I changed that because
A) Unique typing
B) I wanted it to have physical STAB that was boosted by Sheer Force (Rock Slide)
As it was, he basically only has physical Poison STAB. Bulldoze after the boost is still weaker than EQ. And he still can use EQ for coverage. The point was to make a more physical Nidoking as a slight boost he got in XY isn't enough.
Also Aerialate Clefable is solid gold.
The new-move limit is 3, I say drop Gastro Acid.
The typing on everything doesn't have to be unique. I guarantee, if Game Freak themselves made a Mega Nidoking, they would keep the typing the same. I think that's really what would benefit the project the most, if instead of going for pure uniqueness for the sake of uniqueness, we do something logical that the pros would do themselves. Maybe that's just me, but I feel pretty strongly about this.
Now, I'm not harping on you specifically. Here's a list of other type changes that are totally unnecessary and make me sad:
Mega Muk's Poison/Steel Typing. Why
Mega Suicune's Flying/Water Typing. That one makes a little more sense I suppose, but I'm still not fond of it.
Mega Clefable's Fairy/Flying Typing. That one gives me physical pain.
And many others that I can't remember. But that's why this thread is in the current state it is in, right?
It may be a 38% increase, but it's still a +40 boost to a single stat. I think we should kinda avoid such drastic boosts moving forward to not make this yet another variant of Hackmons (IMHO). I'd suggest a cap of 35 to boosts, but I need to compare what the average stat boosts are for mega evolutions.
But Raticate already has Quick Attack and Sucker Punch, which fit in with his flavor more. Shadow Sneak (which to me has the flavor of a mon turning into a ghost that surprise attacks the opponent) doesn't seem to fit with Raticate...
Look at that list. Clefable's on it.
All of Suicune's pokedex entries mention the north wind or something similar. The Flying typing is a reference to that and the Mega Evolution I pictured would have to ability to glide swiftly.
I didn't think Clefable was too ridiculous since it would kind of be a big pixie if it were to Mega Evolve and get wings, but it would definitely be OP with Aerialate and its wide array of Normal moves.
Yeah I just find Fairy/Flying Clefable weird.
127 Speed isn't super fast, especially when you consider it's relatively frail, and doesn't resist any priority bar Shadow Sneak. Infestation was a joke about rats spreading diseases, it gets Counter as a FRLG tutor anyway (so it actually gets it already), plenty of weirder things get Superpower, and Pikachu gets ExtremeSpeed as an event move (and Raticate is faster than Pikachu, and already gets Quick Attack... so why not?). As for buffed defenses, remember that while we'd all like to have perfectly rounded Pokemon, Gamefreak doesn't do that, hence I didn't with my version of Raticate.
Flying/Fairy isn't to bad. Also makes sense. I could lower defenses if you want.
Look at Clefable. It already has wings. Also at least one of its dex entries says something about its wings.
They are already done. I guess he just put who did it
You've managed to convince me about Infestation, but Extreme Speed is too OP IMHO. I think we need to keep a close eye on adding Priority moves, especially on something that already gets Sucker Punch.
Also my concern is that 127 speed is too drastic an increase and would mess too much with the speed tiers. I think a nice "cap" for boosts would be +30/35, as bigger than that puts too many mons in Uber territory.
If you're THAT insistent on Flying/Fairy (which I still think is hella jank), at least change the ability. Aerilate is weird and totally unfitting. I'd stick with Magic Guard -- It's already a great ability, and Aerilate is just too off-putting and nonsensical on this thing.
127 Speed isn't going to "mess with the speed tiers", above a certain point a pokemon is just fast, and their speed is actually irrelevant except against a few other speed demons. As long as we're not giving crazy offensive boosts through abilities like Adaptability or swords dance if they already have a great offensive movepool and STABs, speed isn't breaking any pokemon
For Raticate, I really think Hustle is the best ability for it. It already has it, and it's a superb ability.
Also, those suggesting Normal/Dark typing have the right idea. It learns Crunch and Sucker Punch already, and the plague rat theme is pretty cool.
As far as moves go, HONE CLAWS FOR GOD SAKE HONE CLAWS, it pairs flawlessly with Hustle and it's a dark type boosting move.
Also, those suggesting Normal/Dark typing have the right idea. It learns Crunch and Sucker Punch already, and the plague rat theme is pretty cool.
As far as moves go, HONE CLAWS FOR GOD SAKE HONE CLAWS, it pairs flawlessly with Hustle and it's a dark type boosting move.
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