Other The OU Theorymon Project (CLOSED)

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Vote for Hydreigon! He's surely the best candidate; his unrivaled intelligence gives him the edge over others. His ability to enforce the law even with defiant citizens is a useful skill. And if you don't vote for him, he'll just shoot some meteors at your home! So vote for him today!

#3headsarebetterthan1
 
Why vote for a politician of three head fame when each head is determined to fulfill its own agenda behind the other heads back? Why accept a candidate when said candidate is at war with himself?


Paid for by the Committee to elect Sceptile + Dragon Typing.
 
The voting is over! Here are the results:

As true to each other as it was in the last vote, Volt Absorb Jellicent and Grass/Dragon Sceptile tied each showing that between them, they are true equals......only to both receive the lowest of votes in this with each having one vote (the Committee to elect Sceptile + Dragon Typing is reported to have lost billions due to their advertisement department assuring them a sure win while Jellicent seemed to still get a supporter even under the hot fire it was receiving).

Another tie was documented under Fur Coat Aromatisse and Prankster Gourgeist in both receiving 6 votes. The two seem to have equal power among the voters, with one being a known criminal and the ultimate fairy wall showed that even under the mudslinging that they still can get a vote out and win big....only to fall 7 votes shy of the winner.

Defog Hydreigon with 13 votes came away as the Second Chance winner, as by the voters he was a clear favorite to help un stagnate a metagame that to many is becoming stale already with the cores of Deo-Sharp-Slash dominating all only to fall to each of the Hydra's heads at once. His voters will surely expect big appraisals for campaigning for him and ensuring to do so again for their future candidates.


We appreciate your votes and look forward to yet another voting session!
 
The political campaign thing is just... wow, except I only realised it was going on when it ended .-. Was really fine if either Aromatisse or Hyderigon won, as long as Gourgeist didn't, because a government lead by a prankster is probably worse than having a 3 faced politician.
 
escarlata said:
The political campaign thing is just... wow, except I only realised it was going on when it ended .-. Was really fine if either Aromatisse or Hyderigon won, as long as Gourgeist didn't, because a government lead by a prankster is probably worse than having a 3 faced politician.
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I had fun with it obviously but I was just happy it sorta kept awareness up of the vote actually happening as the people who participated was definitely up compared to the last few votes.

Course any opportunity to act like a silly guy and destroy political ambitions is a win for me.
 
Defog Hydreigon? Finally, my favorite dragon-type can compete against everything else (although still slow ;-;)

And, unless I'm wrong, I can post ideas for the next Theorymon here? I don't want to be yelled at if I'm not supposed to XD
 
Salemance said:
I had fun with it obviously but I was just happy it sorta kept awareness up of the vote actually happening as the people who participated was definitely up compared to the last few votes.

Course any opportunity to act like a silly guy and destroy political ambitions is a win for me.
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Yea true there definitely was large increase in number of votes from last time, not to mention it was fun to read through. Props to Kairyu and Salemance coming up with this idea to make voting period more exciting.
 
Both of my Theorymon ideas tied with 6 votes. If my supporters would have mobilized behind one candidate instead of splitting the vote between Gourgeist and Aromatisse, I would have come a lot closer. Oh well. Congrats grassycow.
 
Red Cat said:
Both of my Theorymon ideas tied with 6 votes. If my supporters would have mobilized behind one candidate instead of splitting the vote between Gourgeist and Aromatisse, I would have come a lot closer. Oh well. Congrats grassycow.
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At least you got nominations in. Ive been trying to get one in for forever xD
 
Salemance said:
At least you got nominations in. Ive been trying to get one in for forever xD
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Unfortunately, this is not truly a democracy. The only candidates that make it on the ballot are those approved by The King of Conquerors who rules with an authoritarian iron fist. It all depends on what his personal favorites are.
 
Red Cat said:
Unfortunately, this is not truly a democracy. The only candidates that make it on the ballot are those approved by The King of Conquerors who rules with an authoritarian iron fist. It all depends on what his personal favorites are.
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Thus is true and must be delt with. My offerings for the Conqueror King must be mightier than xD

In all seriousness though, Gourgeist Prankster was just too much. I could deal with one less Prankster Ghost. Fur Coat Aromatisse was more just eh. That fairy is just too weird for me to vote on.
 
Lol guys, really funny stuff, and a nice way to increase participation! Let's move to our next slate:
  • Flower Veil Virizion (Magma)
  • Shed Skin Zygarde (Isa Simple)
  • Scrappy Forretress (alexwolf)
  • Competitive Mega Houndoom (Tomahawk9)
Discussion about them will last for 4 days, and then we will move on with the voting. Let's start!
 
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Competitive MegaDoom is perhaps the best counter to Aegislash to date, come in when it is on sword form, and press pursuit. If it uses kings shield, good for you; it switches, it dies; if it attacks, it gets 2hkoed by pursuit since its stabs are both resisted and Sacred Sword barely hits for more than 50%. Doesn't have much utility outside of that though, considering it has to mevo before being able to block defog.

Flower veil Virizion does not achieve anything because no one is going to try to reduce its stats or status it when its problem is that it's weaknesses are flying all over the meta

Scrappy Forretress probably isn't going to be OU viable considering we just got 2 fantastique hazard removers in the previous 2 slates.

Zygarde is obviously great with Shed Skin that I don't need to mention more. But Coil EdgeQuake Rest seems too hard to take down normally, like PH Snorlax we had a while back.

I'm really interested in seeing how else MegaDoom can make good use of Competitive though.
 
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Two of these just look.......horrendous. Forretress was a big user of sturdy to begin and the fact it doesn't have it means you will be hoping to make sure you are on a physical threat (sure, its not that hard considering people seem to think Physical Offense is the way to go now) but I do not think we need an hazard remover each month...

Flower Veil is useful for nothing in singles. Moving on.

Shed Skin Zygarde is a nice idea as I generally love the guy and want him to be used more than he already is and Shed Skin is a sensible way of going about it. I approve and I can already see the ideas of how to use this in political campaigning.

Mega Houndoom getting Competitive is an interesting idea. Flavor Wise it makes shit sense like Scrappy Forretress, but its interesting. Needs to mega evolve first, is a special version of Bisharp except with better speed, less powerful priority, and stronger STABs/Stats to work with. It fills in the Deo-Sharp-Slash core well (a slate later than that ultimate core killer is implemented...) and has great traits to abuse but is it gonna be usable? The Hell Hound is still incredibly poor on the defensive standing (which I guess doesn't matter that much), weak to Fighting and Water Priority and EdgeQuake (that matters) and I just see him as a competent user of it but will it be able to get past its pre-existing flaws to abuse it is the problem? We shall see if it makes it.
 
grassycow What makes flower veil better on virizion than florges is that it only affect grass types. But nonetheless it doesn't seem to help

Salemance virizion still cannot spam close combat the way you said considering it does not block self inflicted drops

Regarding Virizion^
 
escarlata said:
grassycow What makes flower veil better on virizion than florges is that it only affect grass types. But nonetheless it doesn't seem to help

Salemance virizion still cannot spam close combat the way you said considering it does not block self inflicted drops

Regarding Virizion^
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I saw that too. In my mind I remembered it saying grass stat drops so I posted that and checked after I posted on serebii to see the effects were for allies. Edited before your post came :D
 
escarlata said:
Competitive MegaDoom is perhaps the best counter to Aegislash to date, come in when it is on sword form, and press pursuit. If it uses kings shield, good for you; it switches, it dies; if it attacks, it gets 2hkoed by pursuit since its stabs are both resisted and Sacred Sword barely hits for more than 50%. Doesn't have much utility outside of that though, considering it has to mevo before being able to block defog.

Flower veil Virizion does not achieve anything because no one is going to try to reduce its stats or status it when its problem is that it's weaknesses are flying all over the meta

Scrappy Forretress probably isn't going to be OU viable considering we just got 2 fantastique hazard removers in the previous 2 slates.

Zygarde is obviously great with Shed Skin that I don't need to mention more.

I'm really interested in seeing how else MegaDoom can make good use of Competitive though.
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With Flower Veil Virizion can switch with impunity into Rotom-W and SubToxic Gliscor, which is great. However, the biggest boon is the ability to get past Chansey with a CM set, which can't Toxic Virizion anymore. Then, on the last slot, Virizion can use Hidden Power Psychic to deal with Mega Venusaur, which does little damage to +2 Virizion and gets 2HKOed back. Unaware Clefable can stop Virizion, but not all stall teams use it and even if they do, Clefable is not the hardest Pokemon to wear down from my experience, due to its reliance to Wish + Protect for healing, which is easy to take advantage of.

Also, SD Flower Veil Virizion with Close Combat / Stone Edge / Leaf Blade is not half bad against offensive teams, as long as you have a Pursuit user to get rid of Aegislash and Latios. Flower Veil not only gives switch-in chances against Rotom-W, but it also protects from Landorus-T's, Gyarados's, and Mawile's Intimidate, and most importantly, Thundurus's Thunder Wave, which can do little to Virizion otherwise. At +2, Virizion OHKOes most Pokemon found on offensive teams after SR (outside of the already mentioned Aegislash and Latios), and can OHKO most Pokemon that outspeed it or have priority to KO it as they try to switch in, such as Greninja, Talonflame, Scarf Excadrill, and Mega Pinsir. And of course, being able to revenge kill +6 Azumarill and +2 Bisharp is great, as well as check Pokemon such as Excadrill, Thundurus, Landorus, and Landorus-T.

Oh and Virizion's special bulk is so good that it can tank even one LO Ice Beam from Greninja and OHKO back (96.2% max) without any HP investment. Virizion can even take the role of an offensive tank that can check dangerous threats thanks to Synthesis being much more reliable in 6th gen.

tl;dr don't hate on Virizion, it's actually very decent with Flower Veil.
 
Yeah, regular Houndoom gets Competitive as well. And just to be clear, regular Houndoom and Mega Houndoom must both have Competitive, you can't go with Flash Fire on regular Houndoom and Competitive on Mega Houndoom, or Competitive on regular Houndoom and Solar Power on Mega Houndoom.
 
alexwolf said:
With Flower Veil Virizion can switch with impunity into Rotom-W and SubToxic Gliscor, which is great. However, the biggest boon is the ability to get past Chansey with a CM set, which can't Toxic Virizion anymore. Then, on the last slot, Virizion can use Hidden Power Psychic to deal with Mega Venusaur, which does little damage to +2 Virizion and gets 2HKOed back. Unaware Clefable can stop Virizion, but not all stall teams use it and even if they do, Clefable is not the hardest Pokemon to wear down from my experience, due to its reliance to Wish + Protect for healing, which is easy to take advantage of.

Also, SD Flower Veil Virizion with Close Combat / Stone Edge / Leaf Blade is not half bad against offensive teams, as long as you have a Pursuit user to get rid of Aegislash and Latios. Flower Veil not only gives switch-in chances against Rotom-W, but it also protects from Landorus-T's, Gyarados's, and Mawile's Intimidate, and most importantly, Thundurus's Thunder Wave, which can do little to Virizion otherwise. At +2, Virizion OHKOes most Pokemon found on offensive teams after SR (outside of the already mentioned Aegislash and Latios), and can OHKO most Pokemon that outspeed it or have priority to KO it as they try to switch in, such as Greninja, Talonflame, Scarf Excadrill, and Mega Pinsir. And of course, being able to revenge kill +6 Azumarill and +2 Bisharp is great, as well as check Pokemon such as Excadrill, Thundurus, Landorus, and Landorus-T.

Oh and Virizion's special bulk is so good that it can tank even one LO Ice Beam from Greninja and OHKO back (96.2% max) without any HP investment. Virizion can even take the role of an offensive tank that can check dangerous threats thanks to Synthesis being much more reliable in 6th gen.

tl;dr don't hate on Virizion, it's actually very decent with Flower Veil.
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Virizion doesn't actually have synthesis, so it still cannot get past Chansey using a CM set reliably due to seismic toss. The others are still good points though.
 
escarlata said:
Virizion doesn't actually have synthesis, so it still cannot get past Chansey using a CM set that reliably due to seismic toss. The others are still good points though.
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It gets it as a BW2 tutor move. Also, Virizion doesn't need Synthesis on CM sets to get past Chansey, it has Giga Drain.
 
Virizion certainly interests me, Scrappy Foretress seems very meh considering we just got a much better Hazard cleaner, and Houndoom seems a bit much considering we picked said Hydreigon because of an abundance of anti-Defog cores.

I'm a bit more bias in favor of Zygarde.

Shed Skin would alleviate the biggest problem my Zygarde typically faces for Coil sets: Status effects. Having to dedicate his item slot to a Lum Berry because of how many burns have ruined my sweeps. I prefer Coil over DD because Zygarde priority either way, but the defense boosts give a decent way to survive non-STAB priorities or any physical one bar Ice Shards. Since Coil Zygarde depends even more on bulk, passive damage is a huge pain. With a sufficient number of boosts, Zygarde might even be able to afford to run Rest for recovery, if he can get a free turn. Not a GOOD option, but something to be wary of at least.

Given Zygarde already runs into some issues with 4MSS between
-Boosting
-EQ
-Stone Edge
-Outrage/Dragon Tail
-Extremespeed (Priority)
-Substitute (to avoid said statuses)
Anything to alleviate one will go a long way. Now I only wish this had happened when he got Thousand Arrows, which would also alleviate Stone Edge and give him one "definitive" set of moves to use.
 
alexwolf said:
It gets it as a BW2 tutor move. Also, Virizion doesn't need Synthesis on CM sets to get past Chansey, it has Giga Drain.
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Giga Drain isn't quite sufficient because it needs to be at +4 to heal off seismis toss reliably, which is cannot always do when it needs to boost as well. Nonetheless it does seem more interesting now.

And regarding megadoom, why is it an exception to get changes on both mega and non mega formes when Ampharos and Blasoise in the previous ones didn't? It seems inconsistent when Megas can either have one or 2 changes.
 
These 4 aren't that good to be honest. Shed Skin Zygarde isn't going to do anything because he's completely outclassed by Garchomp. The only scenario where he performs better is if Zygarde is your last pokemon and your opponents teams' Haze user died. Garchomps attack and speed make it superior every other time. And i'm just going to say this, its going to take a lot for another Dragon/Ground to unseat the king. Competitive MegaDoom is boring because i rarely use frail pokemon, and even though it is it doesn't even hit as hard as Chari Y. No thank you. Foretress is still a worse Skarmory. Sorry but Scrappy doesn't justify losing Taunt, reliable recovery and a Ground immunity.

Vizirion is very underrated as it is but i'm still not sure if losing Justified is worth it or if it's worse.
 
THATS WHAT IT IS.


Okay that makes much more sense. Not self inflicted stat drops but enemies and it does block toxic (even if it doesn't say that on serebii but whatever). MAN I FEEL STUPID XD

Sorry, moment of stupidity on my part and Houndoom gets it? Okay then that changes things just a little then but that's a little odd to include it but whatever.
 
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