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XY UU Viability Ranking Thread
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Alomomola is still the only mon able to heal itself and a teammate at the same time, and Florges and Umbreon aren't set-up bait for everything.
Blissey for A/A+ This thing just has absuloutely insane special bulk even withought investement. A huge boon to stall and has a great support movepool including the games biggest wishes, rocks and heal bell which help it be such a useful pokemon. It has crappy defence which holds it back a bit aswell as being the biggest bait for chandelure but its still so great it should be ranked high. I can see umbreon dropping to mid B's because it is completely outclassed by blissey aswell as it being weak to volc and luk, I think florges would drop A- because it can still run defencive sets well.
Infernape for A+ This thing just has so much versatility, great stabs and good offencive stabs. Being able to boost with nasty plot or sword dance, screw things up with its powerful stabs and being able to run a scarf/band set aswell as a sash rock lead. A great addition to UU and needs to be prepared for. Fletch should move up to B+ because it destroys this and volc and all the frail threats that were added.
Lucario for A+ A great powerful sweeper that will literally wreck all teams withought checks. Being able to boost with nasty plot and sword dance with great offencive stats and stabs with decent speed and great priority this thing is a monster. It can also run a specs set great that takes out its normal switch ins like slowking with a dark pulse or gligar with its flash cannon stab.Though that is all great, it is frail and has its checks such as slowking withought crunch, gligar withought ice punch, defencive moltres, mega aero (physical set), scarf chandelure and doublade. I think this thing is a great, powerful sweeper that is so hard to stop but is held back by its frailty and few checks. I think gligar deserves to move up to B+ just because it is such a good check to the sets withought ice punch (pretty much all of them).
Alakazam Mega for S Holy crap is this thing good, blistering speed that allows it to run modest and still outspeed all the relevent meta, awesome special attack and a stab in psyshock aswell as coveredge that allows it to get past all the special walls in the tier. This thing is just so good and is definately S if it doesn't get banned. The few checks it has is scarf hydriegon, sucker punch users and other scarfers aswell as mega evolved aero. This thing is just so fast and powerful. I can see mega doom dropping to A because it now has a ton of competition for a fast powerful special attacking mega.
Alakazam for A+ This thing is great, the most reliable revenge killer the meta has ever seen. Its sash set is just such a good revenge killer and it can also run sub sets, or 4 attack life orb sets (offencive sets are outclassed by mega tho). The thing that makes it so good is just that it is the best revenge killer ever seen in UU and its great this thing dropped alongside some of the most threatening sweepers UU has ever seen.
I haven't tested goodra but I think B+ is good for it just because opposing ones have been quite underwhelming.
Im not going to elaborate on volc because I think it is just friggen broken asf.
Also, I hope we retest all the Bl's again because things will be very different with new special walls and insanely god sweepers.
Infernape for A+ This thing just has so much versatility, great stabs and good offencive stabs. Being able to boost with nasty plot or sword dance, screw things up with its powerful stabs and being able to run a scarf/band set aswell as a sash rock lead. A great addition to UU and needs to be prepared for. Fletch should move up to B+ because it destroys this and volc and all the frail threats that were added.
Lucario for A+ A great powerful sweeper that will literally wreck all teams withought checks. Being able to boost with nasty plot and sword dance with great offencive stats and stabs with decent speed and great priority this thing is a monster. It can also run a specs set great that takes out its normal switch ins like slowking with a dark pulse or gligar with its flash cannon stab.Though that is all great, it is frail and has its checks such as slowking withought crunch, gligar withought ice punch, defencive moltres, mega aero (physical set), scarf chandelure and doublade. I think this thing is a great, powerful sweeper that is so hard to stop but is held back by its frailty and few checks. I think gligar deserves to move up to B+ just because it is such a good check to the sets withought ice punch (pretty much all of them).
Alakazam Mega for S Holy crap is this thing good, blistering speed that allows it to run modest and still outspeed all the relevent meta, awesome special attack and a stab in psyshock aswell as coveredge that allows it to get past all the special walls in the tier. This thing is just so good and is definately S if it doesn't get banned. The few checks it has is scarf hydriegon, sucker punch users and other scarfers aswell as mega evolved aero. This thing is just so fast and powerful. I can see mega doom dropping to A because it now has a ton of competition for a fast powerful special attacking mega.
Alakazam for A+ This thing is great, the most reliable revenge killer the meta has ever seen. Its sash set is just such a good revenge killer and it can also run sub sets, or 4 attack life orb sets (offencive sets are outclassed by mega tho). The thing that makes it so good is just that it is the best revenge killer ever seen in UU and its great this thing dropped alongside some of the most threatening sweepers UU has ever seen.
I haven't tested goodra but I think B+ is good for it just because opposing ones have been quite underwhelming.
Im not going to elaborate on volc because I think it is just friggen broken asf.
Also, I hope we retest all the Bl's again because things will be very different with new special walls and insanely god sweepers.
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Right, so we should all be fully aware that Lucario is broken as heck and needs a a high rank. As a result, seeing as it has a special and physical set that both set up, and that Scarf Shandy seems the current only legit "counter" (and Hipppowdon can switch in as setting up but can't at +2) but that can't even switch in at the risk of Dark Pulse/Crunch set, I'm saying an EASY A+ Rank
why anyone ever said A- is completely beyond me. Saying that Lucario is too slow when it has 3 forms of priority... (Bullet Punch, Extreme Speed and Vacuum Wave) The other thing that bothers me is that it's also already fast enough to outspeed a bit anyway. At 90 base speed, you actually outspeed a fair bit, and those that you get outsped by (Well at least a lot of them) get hit fairly hard OR are weak to it depending on the set. Having about 1 counter that's even kinda shaky at best is never a good thing for the tier, but regardless of that, it's great news for that pokemon, and a very easy A+ rank. It's versatile with those 2 boosting sets that have different ways to beat them. It can sweep most/all of the metagame. It's flaw, frailness, is made up for by it's strengths, and while this would normally mean S rank, it is very easily checked. When something is causing Hitmontop to get this much usage to beat the physical set (special set beats it on switch lol and it lives mach punch lol) something is wrong. If anyone is wondering how it sets up, normally by switching into the most common UU pokemon, FLORGES, or just scaring a pokemon out.
Volcarona for A/A+ Rank. Volcarona is also a sweeper, boosting with Quiver Dance. We all know this is a very powerful way to set up. It can come in on and set up on a fair amount of UU threats that don't carry rock coverage, then attempt to sweep the majority of teams as long as it has support from Luc or Nape or something taking out Florges and Bilssey for it. This insane sweeping power would make it an easy S but it actually has counters. Unless it carries HP Rock it can't do jack to Chandelure and if that happens then it can't do jack to bulky waters as it won't be using Giga Drain. There's also AV Entei. It also has an awful SR weakness. Looking at all of that, You could say A+, but I think it needs a wallbreaker as support for Blissey and Florges so much that it can go A Rank.
I agree with Eaglehawk with Blissey. A+ also sounds ok for Infernape as it's versatile and in UU is good at all it's jobs. Dunno bout Goodra. Mega Alakazam at S also sounds fine. I'm putting all this here because I feel I don't need to say what others have.
why anyone ever said A- is completely beyond me. Saying that Lucario is too slow when it has 3 forms of priority... (Bullet Punch, Extreme Speed and Vacuum Wave) The other thing that bothers me is that it's also already fast enough to outspeed a bit anyway. At 90 base speed, you actually outspeed a fair bit, and those that you get outsped by (Well at least a lot of them) get hit fairly hard OR are weak to it depending on the set. Having about 1 counter that's even kinda shaky at best is never a good thing for the tier, but regardless of that, it's great news for that pokemon, and a very easy A+ rank. It's versatile with those 2 boosting sets that have different ways to beat them. It can sweep most/all of the metagame. It's flaw, frailness, is made up for by it's strengths, and while this would normally mean S rank, it is very easily checked. When something is causing Hitmontop to get this much usage to beat the physical set (special set beats it on switch lol and it lives mach punch lol) something is wrong. If anyone is wondering how it sets up, normally by switching into the most common UU pokemon, FLORGES, or just scaring a pokemon out.
Volcarona for A/A+ Rank. Volcarona is also a sweeper, boosting with Quiver Dance. We all know this is a very powerful way to set up. It can come in on and set up on a fair amount of UU threats that don't carry rock coverage, then attempt to sweep the majority of teams as long as it has support from Luc or Nape or something taking out Florges and Bilssey for it. This insane sweeping power would make it an easy S but it actually has counters. Unless it carries HP Rock it can't do jack to Chandelure and if that happens then it can't do jack to bulky waters as it won't be using Giga Drain. There's also AV Entei. It also has an awful SR weakness. Looking at all of that, You could say A+, but I think it needs a wallbreaker as support for Blissey and Florges so much that it can go A Rank.
I agree with Eaglehawk with Blissey. A+ also sounds ok for Infernape as it's versatile and in UU is good at all it's jobs. Dunno bout Goodra. Mega Alakazam at S also sounds fine. I'm putting all this here because I feel I don't need to say what others have.
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I wholly disagree with saying regular 'Zam is A at best, or that you would never want to use non-Mega Alakazam over Mega. You are vastly underestimating just how powerful the Sash Guard set is. Like I said in my earlier post, if your set-up sweeper does not have a multi-hitting attack (Cloyster, Klinklang, Dual Chop Haxorus when that gets retested), or a safeguard in Substitute, Alakazam will always get a hit off. Period. I really shouldn't list Sub, because that still doesn't stop Alakazam from breaking your Substitute and letting something like Honchkrow or Lucario get a chance to snipe you. Backed by good coverage and a very dangerous base 135 Special Attack, Sash Guard Alakazam is the best revenge killer ever introduced. That set alone puts Alakazam in contention for A, but there's also the CM set, LO 4 Attacks, and Alakazam also has a very good support movepool, including stuff like Encore. That's all A+ rank shit. Mega Alakazam means Alakazam as a whole is clearly S rank.
There's also Agility Lucario, which can actually serve as a strong cleanup sweeper without having to rely on weak priority attacks, while being really damn hard to revenge (176 speed EVs + Adamant means you can already outrun Scarf Infernape after an Agility, and you can further up your speed to hit other benchmarks like Scarf Raikou etc).
alright, tested the drops, some more than others, and will add my thoughts on them on this thread, from less tested to more tested. huge post alert.
goodra: A- rank - nice resistances, amazing special defense and good movepool makes it a good pivot against a lot of stuff, and it can counter volcarona with rock slide. 110 sp.a is no slouch either, it does heavy damage with draco meteor and even learns sludge wave for fairies and fire blast for steels. but it's slow, has a terrible defense and is basically limited to being a tank, i think. i haven't used it much though.
infernape: A rank - honestly i have no idea why this was OU for so long. it's very very bad there, and it's not THAT good in UU. huge, very huge movepool and good offensive stats make up for a relatively hard to predict mon. can be tailored to lure and kill/weaken specific mons like using gk for slowbro or SD for mew, but outside of that, it's still easy to revenge kill, and can be hard checked by tentacruel, for instance.
alakazam: S rank - imo this guy is really really really good, but not broken. focus sash revenges literally every common setup sweeper, with exception of the probably BL volcarona and cloyster and brings balance to the metagame i think. (i wish it was here during mence test, would be a good check and maybe prevent its banning). even if the foe does not bring a setup sweeper, it still has high special attack, a very speedy encore and good coverage with psychic - shadow ball - maybe focus blast, but that is a very shitty move, other options are energy ball and dazzling gleam.
alakazam-mega: S rank, possibly BL - mega zam is incredible, it was absolutely destructive even in OU. but since it dropped i'll talk about it: basically you have a deoxys-a with trace, although it lacks psycho boost and 400 attack superpower, but with trace! yes, trace is like REALLY good. list of funny stuff to trace:
-flash fire from arcanine/chandelure/houndoom (risky if they predict you)
-levitate from flygon
-natural cure from blissey or rade
-sheer force from darmanitan/nidos, (trust me: you DON'T WANT to eat a sheer force psychic from 493 sp.atk)
-speed boost from sharpedo/yanmega
-analytic from magneton/starmie/porygon2
-adaptabilty or download from porygon-z
-regenerator from slowbro/amoonguss/alomomola/mienshao
-magic bounce from xatu
-prankster from whimsicott (very useful if you run encore or taunt)
-this list is huge as fuck already
then, with a coverage of psychic/focus blast/shadow ball, and running modest because it can afford to run it as it has mega aero's speed, it 2HKOes THE WHOLE METAGAME (except for blissey, but you can run psyshock over psychic for that). its problem is that it's still relatively easy to revenge with scarfers or sharpedo or priority, or trap with pursuit from the likes of escavalier, and you can always run spiritomb or sableye to counter it if it threatens your team too much, and it takes up a mega slot; but tbh this is the best mega evo of UU, (with mega aero being the second best by a tiny margin) so i don't think the argument that it takes up a mega slot is valid for it. i think it might be banned, but only time will tell.
volcarona: S Rank, probably BL - bulky QD with roost is imo the most broken thing atm. it needs a couple of quiver dance boosts to completely wreck everything barring uncommon things like specially defensive arcanine with roar or toxic and av entei. and it's actually VERY EASY for it to get up multiple qd boosts, seeing that slowbro, mew, florges, forretress, and a lot of stuff cannot even touch it without running shit moves like toxic. i am yet to try offensive qd since after it goes +1 it reaches almost the same sp.atk as a +2 bulky qder, and with LO it must hit much harder, but imo it's too frail and more susceptible to being revenged or picked off by prio users.
lucario: A+ rank - bipedal dog is actually very manageable, having a lot of troubles in consistent sweeping the opposition. tbh i would rank it in A-, but what makes it go A+ for me is the viability of its sets. SD is imo the best one by far, because +2 close combat OHKOes everything and +2 extremespeed OHKOes most things that can revenge it; however, it's kinda easy to wall with slowbro or physically defensive mew, even if it has crunch it'll get statused, not to mention it'll fail breaking florges, the most common poké; and if it opts to run iron tail, it makes the job easier for slowbro, volcarona and not to mention the accuraccy. i found the NP set to be pretty good, i was using NP - aura sphere - dark pulse - flash cannon, and while it beats the annoying pink core, it's even easier to revenge kill, as it has only 306 speed; vacuum wave is weak as shit and it still doesn't prevent a lot of stuff from revenge killing you (cannot OHKO flygon at +2, even if running modest). i tried specs too and it's a very good lure, since slowbro or hippowdon are usually the first stuff to switch into lucario, and both take huge amounts of damage if you predict correctly. agillity would be the other viable set i think, but imo it just seems too bad.
PS: mega aerodactyl checks literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of the new drops, solid mon.
goodra: A- rank - nice resistances, amazing special defense and good movepool makes it a good pivot against a lot of stuff, and it can counter volcarona with rock slide. 110 sp.a is no slouch either, it does heavy damage with draco meteor and even learns sludge wave for fairies and fire blast for steels. but it's slow, has a terrible defense and is basically limited to being a tank, i think. i haven't used it much though.
infernape: A rank - honestly i have no idea why this was OU for so long. it's very very bad there, and it's not THAT good in UU. huge, very huge movepool and good offensive stats make up for a relatively hard to predict mon. can be tailored to lure and kill/weaken specific mons like using gk for slowbro or SD for mew, but outside of that, it's still easy to revenge kill, and can be hard checked by tentacruel, for instance.
alakazam: S rank - imo this guy is really really really good, but not broken. focus sash revenges literally every common setup sweeper, with exception of the probably BL volcarona and cloyster and brings balance to the metagame i think. (i wish it was here during mence test, would be a good check and maybe prevent its banning). even if the foe does not bring a setup sweeper, it still has high special attack, a very speedy encore and good coverage with psychic - shadow ball - maybe focus blast, but that is a very shitty move, other options are energy ball and dazzling gleam.
alakazam-mega: S rank, possibly BL - mega zam is incredible, it was absolutely destructive even in OU. but since it dropped i'll talk about it: basically you have a deoxys-a with trace, although it lacks psycho boost and 400 attack superpower, but with trace! yes, trace is like REALLY good. list of funny stuff to trace:
-flash fire from arcanine/chandelure/houndoom (risky if they predict you)
-levitate from flygon
-natural cure from blissey or rade
-sheer force from darmanitan/nidos, (trust me: you DON'T WANT to eat a sheer force psychic from 493 sp.atk)
-speed boost from sharpedo/yanmega
-analytic from magneton/starmie/porygon2
-adaptabilty or download from porygon-z
-regenerator from slowbro/amoonguss/alomomola/mienshao
-magic bounce from xatu
-prankster from whimsicott (very useful if you run encore or taunt)
-this list is huge as fuck already
then, with a coverage of psychic/focus blast/shadow ball, and running modest because it can afford to run it as it has mega aero's speed, it 2HKOes THE WHOLE METAGAME (except for blissey, but you can run psyshock over psychic for that). its problem is that it's still relatively easy to revenge with scarfers or sharpedo or priority, or trap with pursuit from the likes of escavalier, and you can always run spiritomb or sableye to counter it if it threatens your team too much, and it takes up a mega slot; but tbh this is the best mega evo of UU, (with mega aero being the second best by a tiny margin) so i don't think the argument that it takes up a mega slot is valid for it. i think it might be banned, but only time will tell.
volcarona: S Rank, probably BL - bulky QD with roost is imo the most broken thing atm. it needs a couple of quiver dance boosts to completely wreck everything barring uncommon things like specially defensive arcanine with roar or toxic and av entei. and it's actually VERY EASY for it to get up multiple qd boosts, seeing that slowbro, mew, florges, forretress, and a lot of stuff cannot even touch it without running shit moves like toxic. i am yet to try offensive qd since after it goes +1 it reaches almost the same sp.atk as a +2 bulky qder, and with LO it must hit much harder, but imo it's too frail and more susceptible to being revenged or picked off by prio users.
lucario: A+ rank - bipedal dog is actually very manageable, having a lot of troubles in consistent sweeping the opposition. tbh i would rank it in A-, but what makes it go A+ for me is the viability of its sets. SD is imo the best one by far, because +2 close combat OHKOes everything and +2 extremespeed OHKOes most things that can revenge it; however, it's kinda easy to wall with slowbro or physically defensive mew, even if it has crunch it'll get statused, not to mention it'll fail breaking florges, the most common poké; and if it opts to run iron tail, it makes the job easier for slowbro, volcarona and not to mention the accuraccy. i found the NP set to be pretty good, i was using NP - aura sphere - dark pulse - flash cannon, and while it beats the annoying pink core, it's even easier to revenge kill, as it has only 306 speed; vacuum wave is weak as shit and it still doesn't prevent a lot of stuff from revenge killing you (cannot OHKO flygon at +2, even if running modest). i tried specs too and it's a very good lure, since slowbro or hippowdon are usually the first stuff to switch into lucario, and both take huge amounts of damage if you predict correctly. agillity would be the other viable set i think, but imo it just seems too bad.
PS: mega aerodactyl checks literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of the new drops, solid mon.
radianthero156 Mega-Aero is only a shaky check to Luke (in the rare case of Bullet Punch)
I was definitely feeling a bit harsh on the impact assessment of Blissey on Alomomola but I still think it's viability will be hit the hardest out of the medics/wishpassers in this tier since it, like Blissey, has very little offensive presence. I dunno, I just see Alomomola as a little niche in this situation since regen and maybe knock off are the only two major things that this bulky fish has over Blissey.
Edit: Alomomola's defense and typing will lessen its massive drop a little if it happens
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Ok Opinions
Infernape should be A:Its Mixed Sets have Excelent Coverage and hit most of the tier Super Effetively and Scarf Nape is the fastest actually viable scarfer in the tier
Mega Alakazam S:This thing looks like Hawlucha all over again dies in 1 hit vrs most stuff but if it gets one turn to set up a Sub or a CM you have to pray he misses a Focus Blast especially if you are playing a Offensive team also Trace has so much shenanigans that its surprising people complain that much about losing magic guard
Alakazam A+:Sash Zam still is the Safest Revenge Killer in the history of Mankind LO will also be good after Mega Zam gets the Boot
Volcarona S:Let me see Ignores most of the Special Walls in the tier can set up Freely on Choiced Fire Types and Fighting types good knews that is completely not popular in the tier right?
Luke A+:Its Terrifying at +2 But I don't think its AS Crazy as Rona and Zam
Blissey A:I feel Blissey is kinda Overated as hell but its still a Unkillable Blob on the Special Side
Infernape should be A:Its Mixed Sets have Excelent Coverage and hit most of the tier Super Effetively and Scarf Nape is the fastest actually viable scarfer in the tier
Mega Alakazam S:This thing looks like Hawlucha all over again dies in 1 hit vrs most stuff but if it gets one turn to set up a Sub or a CM you have to pray he misses a Focus Blast especially if you are playing a Offensive team also Trace has so much shenanigans that its surprising people complain that much about losing magic guard
Alakazam A+:Sash Zam still is the Safest Revenge Killer in the history of Mankind LO will also be good after Mega Zam gets the Boot
Volcarona S:Let me see Ignores most of the Special Walls in the tier can set up Freely on Choiced Fire Types and Fighting types good knews that is completely not popular in the tier right?
Luke A+:Its Terrifying at +2 But I don't think its AS Crazy as Rona and Zam
Blissey A:I feel Blissey is kinda Overated as hell but its still a Unkillable Blob on the Special Side
I think Chandelure is going to have a move up on ranking now simply because it is able to check and even counter some of the new drops namely Luke, Volc and Infernape via resisting or immune to their stabs and hitting back hard off 145 base special attack
I love sacking things to Nido's and non-Scarfed Darmanitan's. Because then I can bring in MegaZam and wreck shit with Sheer Force boosted Psychic/Energy Ball/Shadow Ball. >:)
Time to for my shitty opinions
Megazam and Volc are godlike atm. The offensive pressure they put on other teams are amazing. Solid S-rank if not BL.
Normal Zam is fantastic, revenge kills just about everything. It cant switch in on things, so Id say A or possibly A-.
Luke is strong, but relying on Priority is kinda sad. If you run E-speed aero kills you, run BP and nape/MegaDoom/scarfed fire types kills you. Special with vacuum wave gets destroyed by scarf Candel and victini. It also needs to set up NP or SD to so things to stall. A- imo
Nape is amazing, but not broken. Its sorta like a Victini without V-create but with a better dual STAB. Great speedtier, Neutral to rocks, resists Knock Off and is unpredictable as fuck. Scarf, band, specs, SD, NP, Sash lead, mixed LO and physical LO are all viable. Blaze boosted specs Fire Blast is great for cleaning, while Iron fist is a fantastic ability on a pokemon with so many Punching moves. Solid A+.
Blissey is way to bulky. To bad so many top tier treaths are physical. A or A+ (drop Florges to A/A-)
Megazam and Volc are godlike atm. The offensive pressure they put on other teams are amazing. Solid S-rank if not BL.
Normal Zam is fantastic, revenge kills just about everything. It cant switch in on things, so Id say A or possibly A-.
Luke is strong, but relying on Priority is kinda sad. If you run E-speed aero kills you, run BP and nape/MegaDoom/scarfed fire types kills you. Special with vacuum wave gets destroyed by scarf Candel and victini. It also needs to set up NP or SD to so things to stall. A- imo
Nape is amazing, but not broken. Its sorta like a Victini without V-create but with a better dual STAB. Great speedtier, Neutral to rocks, resists Knock Off and is unpredictable as fuck. Scarf, band, specs, SD, NP, Sash lead, mixed LO and physical LO are all viable. Blaze boosted specs Fire Blast is great for cleaning, while Iron fist is a fantastic ability on a pokemon with so many Punching moves. Solid A+.
Blissey is way to bulky. To bad so many top tier treaths are physical. A or A+ (drop Florges to A/A-)
Guess a lot has changed while I was gone.
Zam/MegaZam for A+
Insanely fast and powerful. Psychic Typing sucks with Knock-Off around but it has immunity to passive damage and with Focus-Sash it can survive one hit, which is more than enough for it to go through teams like butter. Now having priority moves has become a must have to kill it, but then again we have MegaZam, which is much bulkier.
Goodra for A/A+
Now why would anyone run a special attacker after all the insanely Special Defensive mons are in the tier. Goodra is most likely the only dragon that can laugh at Florges' Moonblast. Great offensive movepool on both stats and made specificly to wear an Assult Vest.
Infernape for S
Rather than telling you what makes Infernape so broken, I would ask, what can safely switch into this thing?
Base 107 Spe, 104 offense, great typing, large movepool, viable with almost any competitive item allowing it to run a large amount of sets:
Nastyplot Sweeper, Swords Dance Sweeper, (Suicide) Lead, Choice Band, (Mixed) Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, Life Orb, Expert Belt.
Lucario for S
Pretty much like Infernape, just more powerful and has access to Espeed. You just got your reliable Knock-Off absorber here.
Volcorona for B+/A
We already have great Fire-types but now we get the cake. To be honest, I don't know what to think about anime Mothra. On one hand, we have a lot of special walls in the tier that can take even a few boosted hits, on the other hand, I feel like "did I really just say that?".
Already great Special Attack, a tier full of Spinners and Defoggers, good speed, one of the best boosting moves, reliable recovery and great on almost any team that isn't relying on Sand or Hail.
Blissey for S
Burn+Blissey=GG, for almost any non Fire-type physical attacker. You know a mon is insane when it can't even be 2HKOed by the strongest non-Super Effective special move in the game aka. Modest Choice Specs Deoxys-A Psycho Boost without investment into HP and SpD.
Forretress just found a new friend with whom he can wall almost the entire metagame with.
Zam/MegaZam for A+
Insanely fast and powerful. Psychic Typing sucks with Knock-Off around but it has immunity to passive damage and with Focus-Sash it can survive one hit, which is more than enough for it to go through teams like butter. Now having priority moves has become a must have to kill it, but then again we have MegaZam, which is much bulkier.
Goodra for A/A+
Now why would anyone run a special attacker after all the insanely Special Defensive mons are in the tier. Goodra is most likely the only dragon that can laugh at Florges' Moonblast. Great offensive movepool on both stats and made specificly to wear an Assult Vest.
Infernape for S
Rather than telling you what makes Infernape so broken, I would ask, what can safely switch into this thing?
Base 107 Spe, 104 offense, great typing, large movepool, viable with almost any competitive item allowing it to run a large amount of sets:
Nastyplot Sweeper, Swords Dance Sweeper, (Suicide) Lead, Choice Band, (Mixed) Choice Scarf, Choice Specs, Life Orb, Expert Belt.
Lucario for S
Pretty much like Infernape, just more powerful and has access to Espeed. You just got your reliable Knock-Off absorber here.
Volcorona for B+/A
We already have great Fire-types but now we get the cake. To be honest, I don't know what to think about anime Mothra. On one hand, we have a lot of special walls in the tier that can take even a few boosted hits, on the other hand, I feel like "did I really just say that?".
Already great Special Attack, a tier full of Spinners and Defoggers, good speed, one of the best boosting moves, reliable recovery and great on almost any team that isn't relying on Sand or Hail.
Blissey for S
Burn+Blissey=GG, for almost any non Fire-type physical attacker. You know a mon is insane when it can't even be 2HKOed by the strongest non-Super Effective special move in the game aka. Modest Choice Specs Deoxys-A Psycho Boost without investment into HP and SpD.
Forretress just found a new friend with whom he can wall almost the entire metagame with.
I think that Volcorona has a lot of merit simply because of how well it deals with florges
Florges can't touch it. So it can quiver dance/sub all that it wants. Frequently, florges is such a behemoth that teams use it as a blanket wall, but it can't deal with volc.
Blissey is problematic, but if volc runs 252 hp, it can avoid seismic toss breaking the subs.
Florges can't touch it. So it can quiver dance/sub all that it wants. Frequently, florges is such a behemoth that teams use it as a blanket wall, but it can't deal with volc.
Blissey is problematic, but if volc runs 252 hp, it can avoid seismic toss breaking the subs.
no it can't. you need at least base 100 hp in order to do that. volcarona has 85 base hp. volcarona's hp only goes up to 374.
Ah. My mistake. I thought it was base 100.
Owell. If blissey gets the boot, then volc will do well
Just for your info the strongest non-super effective move in the game is Choice Specs Modest Kyogre Rain-Boosted Water Spout which does 2HKO. But agreed I think Blissey is a little broken IMO literally walling a good portion of the meta. Pair it up with something like M-Aggron and you got yourself a solid core(screw fighting weakness mienshao does 50% with HJK). And stuff like Scarf Chandelure and Victini can switch into Infernape and Lucario while pain split Chandelure handles Volc pretty well.
I would like to say Volcarona for A+ Rank. It is an excellent sweeper with Quiver Dance and its decent STABs (Fiery Dance is like the best move ever), but it is 4x weak to Stealth Rock, which is HUGE, and it is checked fairly well by special walls like Goodra and Blissey.
Also, this is my 700th post :)
Also, this is my 700th post :)
Congratulations on your 700th post! Agreed although I question Goodras ability to fully check Volc as after a few quiver dances it is quite impenetrable on the special side and would have sufficient power to break through even Blissey if Blissey lacks toxic and especially if Volc carries giga drain or roost
Rock Slide Goodra ohko volcarona and 2hko bulky variants and if Blissey has thunder wave instead of toxic it will still stop its sweep anyway.
Is rock slide Goodra common? I thought most ran special attacks unless they are forced to run rock slide because of Volc heh. But even after a thunder wave Volc can keep quiver dancing and eventually have the power to break through as well as heal itself from seismic tosses
I suppose av sets have room for it considering STAB + Fire Blast gets perfect neutral coverage already, so the other two moveslots can be used to cover specific threats
0 Atk Goodra Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 308-364 (98.7 - 116.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 156-184 (40.6 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Goodra is a safe check. I'm not even sure Modest Volcarona is standard and I gave it +2.
+2 252+ SpA Volcarona Bug Buzz vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 156-184 (40.6 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Goodra is a safe check. I'm not even sure Modest Volcarona is standard and I gave it +2.
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