Are you sure? It's not just starters though. Diancie gets a mega that's not in X or Y, and Kyogre/ Groudon are getting new forms (supposedly not Megas.) When I saw all this info I thought the exact opposite thing. Seems likely a truck load of new Megas are on the horizon. As far as new ideas for GF go Gen VI is dripping with them. A lot of traditional patterns in Pokemon gens and games have been broken this time around (New Type, New level of Evolution, no Trio of Legendaries, 100 other things) But if nothing else I argue that megas are, in a sense "alternate forms" and traditionally a lot of Pokemon have gotten new forms in the second half of a a generation.Kingpoleon said:
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Sap sipper mega swampert rapes victinis soul lmao
Objection! Volt Tackle was introduced right in the middle of Gen III via Emerald.
99% sure that was in the data of RS/FRLG
I'm not sure about that, but at the very least it wasn't accessible until Emerald since Light Ball was introduced then. Incidentally I didn't remember that FR/GL were released before Emerald; I was pretty sure it was the other way around.
The main point is that Volt Tackle was in the data regardless of when it was released. The assumption then being that IF there were unreleased gen VI moves yet to come, hacks would have already revealed them in the data of X and Y.
As for Not2good's comment. Yeah, like I said I'm surprised that people would expect less to be honest. Why would they have already spilled the beans on ALL the new things in ORAS... Already!?!? Lately Nintendo and GF have been doing a really good job of keeping things up there sleeves so that we have new stuff to get excited about all the time. I'm really sure more megas are coming and I highly doubt they're limited to just Gen III pokes (though I do have a few faves from gen III I'm really crossing my fingers for)
As for Not2good's comment. Yeah, like I said I'm surprised that people would expect less to be honest. Why would they have already spilled the beans on ALL the new things in ORAS... Already!?!? Lately Nintendo and GF have been doing a really good job of keeping things up there sleeves so that we have new stuff to get excited about all the time. I'm really sure more megas are coming and I highly doubt they're limited to just Gen III pokes (though I do have a few faves from gen III I'm really crossing my fingers for)
Maybe that wasn't the best example, alright lets try this:
In a normal competitive game, if swampert supposedly got sap sipper, would that really matter in the long run? It still can't take a bunch of hits for too long, so wouldn't it be easier just to outspeed all of the pokes and just eliminate them offensively while still being tanky enough to take some hits along the way? Most special attackers and some very powerful physical attackers that would destroy swampert like latios, keldeo, shaymin-s, crawdaunt, mega-medicham, who don't necessarily have to use grass moves to bring down normal swampert, would now find it hard to kill a very fast, offensive, M-swampert. Swift swim would work 95% of the time and is much more consistent, when sap sipper is situational at maybe 5% of all games at best.
Honestly, what do you beat with sap sipper? Victini can still hit you with Psychic, which will still hurt. trevenant can still curse+will-o-wisp you to death. Tangrowth? I guess I could give you that but sleep powder would cripple it for the time being.
...I just don't see sap sipper being that useful other than being an immunity. An immunity is always nice, but when it doesn't address core problems, then there is no point.
At least goodra has enough bulk to survive other coverage moves from pokes and hit back with its diverse moveset that covers the majority of types with some support moves like infestation and such. Sap sipper makes sense on goodra in this case.
edit: if you only replied to that one statement and nothing else, and you understood everything else, then ignore this comment.
Sap Sipper gives an immunity to ALL grass moves, including status ones like Spore and Sleep Powder. Regardless, the rest of your argument is relatively valid.
Well since it's a remake of Gen 3, if they're doing Pokémon from other gens it'd either be ones related to Gen 3 'mon (froslass, gallade etc.) and/or Pokémon you can find in Hoenn anyway like Golem or Ninetales or Magcargo or something. Maybe the Johto starters, since you get them as a gift for completing the dex, but that's about it imo.
lol,why did anyone even start talking about it in the first place? Was there some sort of false rumor or something?
Could be you're right. I guess we'll just have to wait and see :pKurona said:
When Mega Blaziken was confirmed, people started thinking naturally there'd be Mega Swampert and Sceptile. First thing that comes to people's minds of a good ability for Swampert happened to be "LOL SAP SIPPER NO WEAKNESSES NOW"
If any poke deserves to be bug/dragon, its flygon imo.
Anyway, I think there would be only 1 or 2 more new gen 3 megas introduced in ORAS because of the number of gen 3 megas that already exist. Not counting both x and y evo's, gen 1 gets 10 megas, gen 2 has 5 (which easy easily explainable because of the smaller roster that gen), gen 3 gets 12 including sceptile and swampert, gen 4 gets 3 and gen 6 gets 1.
Gen 3 already has the largest number of megas so if there will be more, I bet they would be from the newer gens to even out the numbers a bit.
I'm still holding out for Bug/Dragon Yanmega, IMO.
Mega Diancie has its ability marked as "???" while Swampert and Sceptile both had theirs revealed, right? Not going to assume anything yet, but I'd say that's a pretty strong indicator that Diancie will be getting a new ability (Xerneas and Yveltal had the same "???" when they were first revealed, right?)
You're my hero! I think of every Pokemon in the Entire Game the one that deserves a Mega the most and that deserves that typing the most is Flygon. Maybe I'm just a big Flygon fanboy but Garchomp really disgusts me and I was so upset that they gave that ugly thing a mega and not Flygon. Who by the way also really deserves the ability Tinted Lens.Typhlito said:
Also I agree with everything you said. Gen III already really lucked out on Megas. Maybe partially because Gen III pokes were at the bottom of the power creep/ power creep correction curve, and partially because ORAS was gonna be coming out. But if there are more Megas it just really makes sense they'd come from all gens. Anyway a lot of Gen I guys could still use a Mega and it would be fun to see Megas on a few of the weaker Gen V guys too.
??? =/= New Ability, could be an old one for all we know, I haven't heard of any new abilities that have been found in game code either.
I think everyone is forgetting that gen2 is the one most in need of megas with only 8 assuming all the starters get 1 mega. Theirs is also the gen with more competitively unviable pokemon with probably more than half being that way. Even granbull who got buffed this gen is unviable in ou. Blissey is outclassed by its own prevo. Dunsparce needs something.
Personally my position is that TF purposely put those things in the code to hype us up while not expecting anything else in because they knew it was going to get hacked before ORAS releases. They even put in a pixie plate when they didn't include new megastones.
Also I think the reason steven is interested is because he fakking loves mineralsMarie.
They also didn't find the new mega stones.
Personally my position is that TF purposely put those things in the code to hype us up while not expecting anything else in because they knew it was going to get hacked before ORAS releases. They even put in a pixie plate when they didn't include new megastones.
Also I think the reason steven is interested is because he fakking loves minerals
Only because the sap sipper doesnt exist, I will agree to disagree lol im not touching this one with a sixty foot pole
New formes are compatible with old games because the new games will just tell them "look I'm the pokemon you have in your data, these are my stats now, use the old sprite roll with it", or "you know what mega evolution is, this pokemon that is in your data is going to mega evolve and change stats and ability, use the old model and roll with it". With a completely new ability the new games wouldn't be able to connect with the old ones because the new ability isn't in its data. There is nothing to tell the other game to look up because it has no existing data for it. Same story for entirely new pokemon. Megastones can't be tricked so there shouldn't really be a problem there, xy can just interpret it as any random megastone they already have. I wouldn't be surprised though if you weren't allowed to put it on a pokemon incompatible with it in a battle with xy.
Also people seem to forget they covered up genesect's download for no reason at all.
*harshcoughgen4gen5harshcough*
Half the things in Gen II are Gen I Pokemon. In the grand scheme of things Gen II is more like a post-it note stuck onto Gen I than it is it's own Gen.... in a lot of ways. That said, as much as I want Megas only for Pokemon that need them. it's been pointed out that Megas tend to get thrown on things that are popular as much as things that are weak (if not more so) hence the disappointments like Flygon still bumming around while Mega Garchomp exists. (sorry to bitch so much for people who don't like bitchin') Even if weakness was the only basis for awarding a Mega stone to a species, one only has to sing the Pokemon rap and you'll find that for every weak 'mon in Gen II there are 2 and a half more from Gen I just as weak. (Golduck, Dewgong, Hypno, Persian, Arbok, Rapidash, Primeape, Mr. Mime (lol Mega Mr.Mime), Sandslash, Seaking, Dodrio... I'm not half done with the list but I'll run out of breath)Throbulator36 said:
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I really wanted to argue with this.
Then I realized how true it was.
It made me sad.
The point is it is unreleased just like the new megas.
While this is true the main reason for that last part is because there are only like 100 pokemon in gen2 compared to the 150 in gen1. Gen2 even has the least competitively viable starters(other than typhlosion being better than Emboar). Also I wasn't saying that other gens didn't need/want more megas, I just wanted to point out gen2 when no one else would(I don't even like gen2 as much as any of the other gens either which is weird since I'm the one that brought up gen2).
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