Ah, how foolish of me not to have explicitly pointed out that it only deals damage equal to the maximum HP. I could have saved Peterko a bit of trouble. ;)
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DP Research Thread #3 ("Newer")
- Thread starter obi
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Ah, how foolish of me not to have explicitly pointed out that it only deals damage equal to the maximum HP. I could have saved Peterko a bit of trouble. ;)
So what if a level 100 Vaporeon passes a sub to a level 1 Diglett, and someone Fissures him?
@RiptideFugitive:
I got some commentary from Footnote, who AIM'd me while I was out grocery shopping:
[19:29] LastFootnote: No need to respond. I just have a couple of comments about the research thread.
[19:30] LastFootnote: First, your info about Encore in the second research thread is inaccurate.
[19:30] LastFootnote: If you're encored in 2v2, you are forced to pick a random opponent to target. *You will not necessarily keep targeting the same foe. *It worked this way in Advance, too.
[19:31] LastFootnote: Second, you all should really make sure that OHKOs are even affected by Gravity's accuracy boost before using Fissure to test how much the boost is.
[19:32] LastFootnote: That is all. Hope you're doing well.
[19:40] LastFootnote: Actually, I lied. That's not all. Frisk chooses a random opponent in 2v2 and Razor Fang has a chance to flinch for each hit of a multi-hit attack (Beat Up with 6 Pokémon has about a 50% flinch rate).
Although we've already determined that OHKOs are unaffected by evasion\accuracy modifiers including Gravity, Footnote is right about Encore - I totally screwed up the interpretation of my findings.
This was what occurred in a battle I had. Now, one could interpret this as Encore forcing the target to instead target the Pokemon it last hit before it was Encored - this is the mistake I made. Or, it could be possible that Encore forces the target to instead target an opponent.
Footnote realized this, and he seems to be right about it. After Encoring my own ally Breloom's Spore, I found it would target only random enemies.
On a side note, Acupressure doesn't target random Pokemon on your side if it gets Encored. It does lock you into Acupressuring the target you chose the turn Encore went off. Also, Acupressure doesn't work if your target has a Substitute up - whether it's your ally or yourself. This puts a real damper on my Surf\Acupressure\Confuse Ray\Substitute Tentacruel...
As for Beat Up + Razor Fang, I'll look into it.
I got some commentary from Footnote, who AIM'd me while I was out grocery shopping:
[19:29] LastFootnote: No need to respond. I just have a couple of comments about the research thread.
[19:30] LastFootnote: First, your info about Encore in the second research thread is inaccurate.
[19:30] LastFootnote: If you're encored in 2v2, you are forced to pick a random opponent to target. *You will not necessarily keep targeting the same foe. *It worked this way in Advance, too.
[19:31] LastFootnote: Second, you all should really make sure that OHKOs are even affected by Gravity's accuracy boost before using Fissure to test how much the boost is.
[19:32] LastFootnote: That is all. Hope you're doing well.
[19:40] LastFootnote: Actually, I lied. That's not all. Frisk chooses a random opponent in 2v2 and Razor Fang has a chance to flinch for each hit of a multi-hit attack (Beat Up with 6 Pokémon has about a 50% flinch rate).
Although we've already determined that OHKOs are unaffected by evasion\accuracy modifiers including Gravity, Footnote is right about Encore - I totally screwed up the interpretation of my findings.
This was what occurred in a battle I had. Now, one could interpret this as Encore forcing the target to instead target the Pokemon it last hit before it was Encored - this is the mistake I made. Or, it could be possible that Encore forces the target to instead target an opponent.
Footnote realized this, and he seems to be right about it. After Encoring my own ally Breloom's Spore, I found it would target only random enemies.
On a side note, Acupressure doesn't target random Pokemon on your side if it gets Encored. It does lock you into Acupressuring the target you chose the turn Encore went off. Also, Acupressure doesn't work if your target has a Substitute up - whether it's your ally or yourself. This puts a real damper on my Surf\Acupressure\Confuse Ray\Substitute Tentacruel...
As for Beat Up + Razor Fang, I'll look into it.
That's very interesting. If Beat Up with 6 Pokemon has around a 50% flinch rate, that makes Razor Fang's flinch rate at around 10.91% (I solved the equation, lol). Although not a proof that Razor Fang's flinch rate is the same as that of King's Rock, this information points to that discovery.
I would like to ask Footnote: do you get the '[Pokemon] flinched!' message after any one of the 6 Pokemon uses Beat Up, or just at the end?
today is not a good day for testing...
KOed the target after like 3/15-20 flinches with king´s rock scratch
I started again and got 5/56
after a max ether I KOed the target accidentally again after 3/18
8/74 is my poor result
what was already shown in my 1hko level difference + gravity test...well tested gravity fissure on pokémon with the same level
2/8
2/8
3/8
total: 7/24 = 29.16%
with gravity it should´ve been 50%
gravity doesn´t affect fissure
KOed the target after like 3/15-20 flinches with king´s rock scratch
I started again and got 5/56
after a max ether I KOed the target accidentally again after 3/18
8/74 is my poor result
what was already shown in my 1hko level difference + gravity test...well tested gravity fissure on pokémon with the same level
2/8
2/8
3/8
total: 7/24 = 29.16%
with gravity it should´ve been 50%
gravity doesn´t affect fissure
Does Hustle affect the Accuracy of any OHKOs, Seismic Toss, Night Shade, Endeavor, or Dragon Rage?
Posting to confirm that a message does appear when Toxic Spikes get absorbed.
Following 3N3MY posting on my RMT that he tested in-game and found that gravity:
removed SR weak, spikes and toxic spikes immune
...from flying types, I've decided to test in a similar vein. Iron Ball- Will it remove weak to SR? That would pwn for a lot of Pokémon, especially already fast ones that can, for example, get their speed back easily (ninjaskcough) or for really slow flyers that just hate SR. It's a bit tough for an opponent to realize you have an iron ball, so it doesn't exactly make you a target for EQ; It just takes away your ability to switch into it.
Will get back after I test...
removed SR weak, spikes and toxic spikes immune
...from flying types, I've decided to test in a similar vein. Iron Ball- Will it remove weak to SR? That would pwn for a lot of Pokémon, especially already fast ones that can, for example, get their speed back easily (ninjaskcough) or for really slow flyers that just hate SR. It's a bit tough for an opponent to realize you have an iron ball, so it doesn't exactly make you a target for EQ; It just takes away your ability to switch into it.
Will get back after I test...
Any attacking move can flinch with the King's Rock, which I believe Obi mentioned.
Despite evidently not being a researcher anymore, I've tested out Mimic and Sketch. Mimic copies a move to have just 5 PP remaining (Tackle copied with 5/35 PP left) whereas Sketch copies it with full PP (Tackle copies with 35/35 PP remaining). This is contrary to what the Move Descriptions say about those moves.
Toxic damage caps at Floor(max HP/16) * 15. I'm not sure if this was the case in older gens as well.
MAGNITUDE
Lv.15 geodude (26-36 att.) VS 13def chansey
turned off the power when dude struggled (forgot to catch it lol)
M4 (1/30 ) damage: 6
M5 (4/30) damage: 16, 18, 18, 16
M6 (7/30) damage: 30, 30, 27, 27, 27, 30, 30 (rock throw did the same)
M7 (12/30) damage: 40, 36, 40, 72 (CH), 37, 42, 36, 39, 39, 40, 40, 42
M8 (2/30) damage: 52, 49,
M9 (2/30) damage: 115 (CH), 61
M10 (2/30) damage: 84, 81
Magnitude***
BP = 10 if R is between 0 and 13 (Magnitude 4),
BP = 30 if R is between 14 and 38 (Magnitude 5),
BP = 50 if R is between 39 and 89 (Magnitude 6),
BP = 70 if R is between 90 and 166 (Magnitude 7),
BP = 90 if R is between 167 and 217 (Magnitude 8),
BP = 110 if R is between 218 and 242 (Magnitude 9), and
BP = 150 if R is between 243 and 255 (Magnitude 10),
where R is a random whole number between 0 and 255 with uniform probability.
so around 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 20%, 10%, 5%
I think the base powers correspond with what was assumed, if more tests are needed and someone else wants to test it, those geodudes are in the mt. coronet cave, enter from route 207
Lv.15 geodude (26-36 att.) VS 13def chansey
turned off the power when dude struggled (forgot to catch it lol)
M4 (1/30 ) damage: 6
M5 (4/30) damage: 16, 18, 18, 16
M6 (7/30) damage: 30, 30, 27, 27, 27, 30, 30 (rock throw did the same)
M7 (12/30) damage: 40, 36, 40, 72 (CH), 37, 42, 36, 39, 39, 40, 40, 42
M8 (2/30) damage: 52, 49,
M9 (2/30) damage: 115 (CH), 61
M10 (2/30) damage: 84, 81
Magnitude***
BP = 10 if R is between 0 and 13 (Magnitude 4),
BP = 30 if R is between 14 and 38 (Magnitude 5),
BP = 50 if R is between 39 and 89 (Magnitude 6),
BP = 70 if R is between 90 and 166 (Magnitude 7),
BP = 90 if R is between 167 and 217 (Magnitude 8),
BP = 110 if R is between 218 and 242 (Magnitude 9), and
BP = 150 if R is between 243 and 255 (Magnitude 10),
where R is a random whole number between 0 and 255 with uniform probability.
so around 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 20%, 10%, 5%
I think the base powers correspond with what was assumed, if more tests are needed and someone else wants to test it, those geodudes are in the mt. coronet cave, enter from route 207
No, Pursuit hits before the switch.
Regarding Magic Guard Clefable and Struggle.
I just tested this out with a friend last night, and Clefable does indeed take recoil damage from Struggle.
Quite a shame.
I just tested this out with a friend last night, and Clefable does indeed take recoil damage from Struggle.
Quite a shame.
Okay, so the formula for a move's hit is as follows :
Normal Move Accuracy x User's Accuracy Mod x Foe's Evasion Mod
Okay, that's all fine and good if only move or Berry Mods are in effect. Now what about things like Bright Powder, or Sand Veil? Or even Hustle or Compoundeyes? Would the full formula be something like this :
(Normal Move Accuracy x Ability Mod x Item Mod x Gravity Boost) x User's Accuracy Mod x Foe's Evasion Mod x Ability Mod x Item Mod
Is there anything I am not accounting for?
Normal Move Accuracy x User's Accuracy Mod x Foe's Evasion Mod
Okay, that's all fine and good if only move or Berry Mods are in effect. Now what about things like Bright Powder, or Sand Veil? Or even Hustle or Compoundeyes? Would the full formula be something like this :
(Normal Move Accuracy x Ability Mod x Item Mod x Gravity Boost) x User's Accuracy Mod x Foe's Evasion Mod x Ability Mod x Item Mod
Is there anything I am not accounting for?