I know theyre B+ ranked pokes but honestly the reason why its absurd to campare them to gothitelle is because theyre wallbreakers not stall breakers like gothitelle and scizor doesnt isnt that great this gen IMO if your gonna use might as well use its mega and medicham is a nuke just hit hard but gothitelle still dismantles stall relatively easier though with ST and yez megacham seems more biable with aegi gone proly gonna rank up after mawilite is gone
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I know theyre B+ ranked pokes but honestly the reason why its absurd to campare them to gothitelle is because theyre wallbreakers not stall breakers like gothitelle and scizor doesnt isnt that great this gen IMO if your gonna use might as well use its mega and medicham is a nuke just hit hard but gothitelle still dismantles stall relatively easier though with ST and yez megacham seems more biable with aegi gone proly gonna rank up after mawilite is gone
Well honestly yes but , have you used copycat couturier? That team is a legit example on why gothitelle should rank up since without it the team would be screwed and shows its definately no waiste vs offense
PS: Im on phone so punctuation is harder to put for me if I were using my computer then it'd be no prob
Literally the only reason Goth was on that team was to trap and murder Chansey, that's the main reason why Gothitelle sees usage on stall/semistall in the first place, but if I can't convince you then maybe ItoI6 can
Im not saying its supposed to be S ranked just saying honestly it does what it needs to do why would ANYONE use gothitelle if they cant already handle HO thats ilogical in every sense gothitelle need to do what it needs to do and it does it very well although I now dont see it in an A ranking unless it somehow gets a Mega evolution but B+ is where it proly should be you said it ( I think) Best Shadow Tag user !! ( yes I know only goth and wubafet get ST) though thanks to its flaws it wont and proly shouldnt go to an A ranking or A- to be more specific but with shadow tag its flaws are less than what you can imagine
Than what I can imagine
Excuse you
And yeah, Gothitelle does what it needs to do, which is one thing and one thing only. Outside of its niche it's absolute garbage, it loses to so many matchups it ain't funny, if anything it should be moving down if it moves at all. This thing's just so niche it shouldn't be allowed to venture any higher
i think B is pretty good for Goth and I used it a lot. 80hp + rest is pretty good even on specs which is pretty much the only thing you should take away from that team. I used scarf specifically because scizor's knock off to scarf psychic on goth is always a ohko against keldeo and without specs on it keldeo never ohkos with any move so scizor was a great lure to make sure it could switch in safely to beat it. Scarf psychic only does like 78-92% to keldeo and does 40% on a standard neutral hit to finish things off on offensive teams. Specs with modest 80hp/252specatt/176speed psychic/coverage/rest/trick is probably better on most teams...Its stronger against stall and only arguably worse against offense. Unfortunately you cant really trick and beat quagsire and suicunes weak scalds wearing specs wtih trick and rest stalling them since they wear specs and get a power boost after trick but its still overall better to do things like always 2hko ferrothorn and outdamage mega-venusaur's leechseed on the switchin+spammed synthesis. The only reason you should use that goth set with rest is if you run stall and you need to beat other stall. And the only other reason you would use goth on any other kind of team is on balance to remove ferrothorn for gyarados or something, which is a pretty mediocre role. B+ is really as high as it should ever go..
Thats what Im saying it should be B+ but not higher they already pointed out its flaws but come on its niche is outstanding its so underated and should be given more credit for its jobits flaws are lower due to ST since its basically almost guaranteed to take at LEAST 1 poke wich breaks any core down really so again B+ but not hogher than that AT ALL!
Cosmic Power Clefable is a bad set that should never be used. Also, Mega Venusaur can be EVed to 2HKO Clefable even at +1, if stall really wants it gone.
I'd like to nominate mega Hera to move up to A-. Herracross slaughters stall with it's massive power and decent speed, as well as using it's large bulk and defensive typing to beat, or at least be able to beat many of the tier's offensive pokemon like hP ice Thundurus, bisharp, mega tyranitar, dragonite, gyarados, terrakion and Breloom. Herracross requires less support than medicham thanks to its bulk and better typing, needing only bird spam countered (which should be anyway) and maybe Latias support, given defog should be on every team, and healing wish means that a well played herracross can almost guarantee a win against stall.
Small nitpick but M-Hera will lose to Bounce Gyarados. But yeah its wall breaking capabilities alone is definitely just golden and M-Hera is actually pretty easy to fit on a lot of different teams such as Stall (To help opposing stall), or Balanced. Idk about the comment on M-Cham though I think outside of being fantastic wall breakers they function a bit differently and cover some different stuff more or less. Yeah I can agree with this.
If your gyarados is using bounce, its likely not running too much speed and is a bulky variant, thus it will be busted by mega heracross's faster rock blast, only beating it after a dragon dance. Seeing as mega heracross more or less ought to run jolly these days, and even if gyarados was speedy, you have a nice turn to notice that you are indeed slower and switch out.
So yeah mega heracross really doesn't have too much to lose in the m hera v gyara matchup.
Mega Heracross
This thing has already been discussed, and it should be bumped to A-. It's just a huge pain in the neck for stall teams. It sets up Swords Dance once you force out like Slowbro, Chansey, or Heatran out. There best Mega Heracross counter, Gliscor and Skarmory, are being OHKOed by +2 Rock Blast and Close Combat, respectively. It is beating stall teams really easily and there best check is like Talonflame. Especially with Aegislash gone, Mega Heracross has a free slot to use for Swords Dance, Bullet Seed, or Bulk Up. People say that it loses to Offensive team easily, but that's not necessarily true. Tyranitar + Mega Heracross core is just ridiculous because you are trapping like there only checks with Pursuit: Latios, Mega Charizard Y, and Talonflame. Landorus-I, Mega Charizard X, Landorus-T, Greninja, and Mega Pinsir are like the only things they have left that can beat it. Seems like a lot, but remember only one Lando forme and Mega per team :D. It's really good.
Salamence
I understand that we all think that Salamence is a bad Pokemon, but I feel like tossing it with niche crap like Gastrodon and Dugtrio is overdone, and tbh, it's not really bad. I have been using Salamence a lot recently and it is actually not bad. Yes, it's not bad. Salamence has been actually been a stupidly powerful unprepared threat with the recent bans to the Deoxys forms and Aegislash. With Aegislash gone, the only thing that Salamence is struggling with is Fairy-types and Talonflame. Lum Berry Salamence offers as a Thundurus-I lure that forces it to Thunder Wave as you Dragon Dan or kill something making it a liability. Fire Blast is a really nice move too because it lets you roast Skarmory, Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn, Air Balloon Excadrill, and Mega Mawile thinking it can due Intimidate shenanigans. In fact, Salamence has Intimidate allowing it to make threats like Mega Pinsir much more manageable for teammates like Thundurus and Hippowdon. It has a useful niche as a sweeper since it doesn't take your mega slot easier. It is not bad against stall tams either since you can easily get to +2 with Lum Mence and sweep your opponent's stall team because your opponent let there Skarmory die to lure Fire blast Garchomp for example. It's not amazing and requires quite some support but it gets the job done well and like said before, the metagame has shifted away from Salamence making it more of a threat now. C+/C is a good fit for it.
Starmie
I think it's time ShootingStarmie can get the boost it needs with the Aegislash ban. The only spinblocker is crushed by Starmie's Psyshock and Hydro pump hits likes truck. It is a status absorber which many offensive teams lack and get mauled by and it is OHKOing almost everything on offensive teams with it's combined coverage. It is so powerful and the utility it offers is amazing. With Aegislash being banned, not only has its usage increased, but it has become what we call now, a threat. Starmie's speed tier is great too getting the edge like Greninja is. It's the material of a B Rank
#solidbrank
Heatran
Yea, I'm with Jukain on this one. Heatran is such an amazing ' on to use in the current metagame. It is walling common things like Mega Charizard X and Talonflame. It has multiple sets which add to its unpredictability. Choice Scarf Heatran is a huge threat to use outpacing and surprise oping a lot of the metagame. Sure, there are all those Water types but that's not stopping it from going to A+ especially since Azumarill is screwed by WoW and Greninja gets mauled by Fire Blast if it switched onto Ice Beam. It's really bulky, gets on on Latios etc, and he main thing is that it does so much it can fit on almost every team. Everything else is what Jukain said. A+
Mamoswine
This thing has been in A- for a long time. It's ridiculous how much of a threat this thing is to Offensive team. Ice Shard to revenge kill common and unprepared for crap like RP Landorus and SubSalac Garchomp. It comes in on Thundurus-I's Thunder Wave and immediately forces it out. Earthquake is so hard to switch into. Rotom-W is killed by Freeze Dry if it tries to act all bad coming in. Gyarados trying to set up on it in base form gets killed by Freeze Dry. Quagsire gets screwed by it too which offensive teams want removed to sweep stall teams. It can set up Stealth Rock, use Endeavor to add to its unpredibaility. Icicle Spear goes through Dragonite's Multiscale, Garchomp's Focus sash, as well as Brelooms. It is a huge threat and needs to be bumped. It is probably one of the most underrated things in the metagame. Solid A
Scolipede
Even with the Baton Pass ban, Scolipede remains a huge threat. Passing speed boosts to ridiculously powerful teammates like Mega Charizard Y and Kyurem-B seriously ends games. Outside of that ridiculous niche, it has a super star sweeping set. Mega horn hits hard and KOes almost every thing late game and Poison Jab is OHKOing Fairy-types like Azumarill after Stealth Rock. Earthquake rounds off its great coverage. It even provides utility with [Toxic] Spikes, so you don't know what it's planing to do. It either sweep your team or Baton Passes which adds incredibility and diversity. It's breaking past Clefable easy because all it can do is lol Moonblast which Scolipede resists. Outside of that, it is only being checked by Birdies and Thundurus-I , and things that can survive and retaliate back (oh and lando-t). Choice Scarf users can't outpace it, so good luck checking this thing. Did I mention that you don't even have to have a RKer on your team because it is practically the same thing? Aegislash ban makes it harder to beat you can't have something that can tank EQ and kill. It's kind of like Landorus-I where it kept moving between ranks but the higher rank was the best one. If you thought Gen 5 Sharpedo in Rain was terrifying enough, this thing is that with more coverage and power. I can explain in more detail, but the rundown is that it should be bumped to A-
Things that have been discussed and should move up/down
This thing has already been discussed, and it should be bumped to A-. It's just a huge pain in the neck for stall teams. It sets up Swords Dance once you force out like Slowbro, Chansey, or Heatran out. There best Mega Heracross counter, Gliscor and Skarmory, are being OHKOed by +2 Rock Blast and Close Combat, respectively. It is beating stall teams really easily and there best check is like Talonflame. Especially with Aegislash gone, Mega Heracross has a free slot to use for Swords Dance, Bullet Seed, or Bulk Up. People say that it loses to Offensive team easily, but that's not necessarily true. Tyranitar + Mega Heracross core is just ridiculous because you are trapping like there only checks with Pursuit: Latios, Mega Charizard Y, and Talonflame. Landorus-I, Mega Charizard X, Landorus-T, Greninja, and Mega Pinsir are like the only things they have left that can beat it. Seems like a lot, but remember only one Lando forme and Mega per team :D. It's really good.
Salamence
I understand that we all think that Salamence is a bad Pokemon, but I feel like tossing it with niche crap like Gastrodon and Dugtrio is overdone, and tbh, it's not really bad. I have been using Salamence a lot recently and it is actually not bad. Yes, it's not bad. Salamence has been actually been a stupidly powerful unprepared threat with the recent bans to the Deoxys forms and Aegislash. With Aegislash gone, the only thing that Salamence is struggling with is Fairy-types and Talonflame. Lum Berry Salamence offers as a Thundurus-I lure that forces it to Thunder Wave as you Dragon Dan or kill something making it a liability. Fire Blast is a really nice move too because it lets you roast Skarmory, Mega Scizor, Ferrothorn, Air Balloon Excadrill, and Mega Mawile thinking it can due Intimidate shenanigans. In fact, Salamence has Intimidate allowing it to make threats like Mega Pinsir much more manageable for teammates like Thundurus and Hippowdon. It has a useful niche as a sweeper since it doesn't take your mega slot easier. It is not bad against stall tams either since you can easily get to +2 with Lum Mence and sweep your opponent's stall team because your opponent let there Skarmory die to lure Fire blast Garchomp for example. It's not amazing and requires quite some support but it gets the job done well and like said before, the metagame has shifted away from Salamence making it more of a threat now. C+/C is a good fit for it.
Starmie
I think it's time ShootingStarmie can get the boost it needs with the Aegislash ban. The only spinblocker is crushed by Starmie's Psyshock and Hydro pump hits likes truck. It is a status absorber which many offensive teams lack and get mauled by and it is OHKOing almost everything on offensive teams with it's combined coverage. It is so powerful and the utility it offers is amazing. With Aegislash being banned, not only has its usage increased, but it has become what we call now, a threat. Starmie's speed tier is great too getting the edge like Greninja is. It's the material of a B Rank
#solidbrank
Heatran
Yea, I'm with Jukain on this one. Heatran is such an amazing ' on to use in the current metagame. It is walling common things like Mega Charizard X and Talonflame. It has multiple sets which add to its unpredictability. Choice Scarf Heatran is a huge threat to use outpacing and surprise oping a lot of the metagame. Sure, there are all those Water types but that's not stopping it from going to A+ especially since Azumarill is screwed by WoW and Greninja gets mauled by Fire Blast if it switched onto Ice Beam. It's really bulky, gets on on Latios etc, and he main thing is that it does so much it can fit on almost every team. Everything else is what Jukain said. A+
Mamoswine
This thing has been in A- for a long time. It's ridiculous how much of a threat this thing is to Offensive team. Ice Shard to revenge kill common and unprepared for crap like RP Landorus and SubSalac Garchomp. It comes in on Thundurus-I's Thunder Wave and immediately forces it out. Earthquake is so hard to switch into. Rotom-W is killed by Freeze Dry if it tries to act all bad coming in. Gyarados trying to set up on it in base form gets killed by Freeze Dry. Quagsire gets screwed by it too which offensive teams want removed to sweep stall teams. It can set up Stealth Rock, use Endeavor to add to its unpredibaility. Icicle Spear goes through Dragonite's Multiscale, Garchomp's Focus sash, as well as Brelooms. It is a huge threat and needs to be bumped. It is probably one of the most underrated things in the metagame. Solid A
Scolipede
Even with the Baton Pass ban, Scolipede remains a huge threat. Passing speed boosts to ridiculously powerful teammates like Mega Charizard Y and Kyurem-B seriously ends games. Outside of that ridiculous niche, it has a super star sweeping set. Mega horn hits hard and KOes almost every thing late game and Poison Jab is OHKOing Fairy-types like Azumarill after Stealth Rock. Earthquake rounds off its great coverage. It even provides utility with [Toxic] Spikes, so you don't know what it's planing to do. It either sweep your team or Baton Passes which adds incredibility and diversity. It's breaking past Clefable easy because all it can do is lol Moonblast which Scolipede resists. Outside of that, it is only being checked by Birdies and Thundurus-I , and things that can survive and retaliate back (oh and lando-t). Choice Scarf users can't outpace it, so good luck checking this thing. Did I mention that you don't even have to have a RKer on your team because it is practically the same thing? Aegislash ban makes it harder to beat you can't have something that can tank EQ and kill. It's kind of like Landorus-I where it kept moving between ranks but the higher rank was the best one. If you thought Gen 5 Sharpedo in Rain was terrifying enough, this thing is that with more coverage and power. I can explain in more detail, but the rundown is that it should be bumped to A-
Things that have been discussed and should move up/down
- Azumarill --> S
- Mega Aggron --> B-
- Latios --> A+
- Gengar --> A-
- Terrakion --> A+
- Mega Houndoom --> B- ( this is just me reminding alexwolf about the nom I made)
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I agree fully with Terrakion moving up, the aegi ban opened up a moveslot, meaning it's back as arguably the best stealth rock lead for offense, one of the most consistent revenge killers with a scarf, a great lure with hp ice, a scary wall breaker with choice band that doesn't take the mega slot, and even a sub sd salac sweeper that is surprisingly effective, only needing Gliscor and Landorus dead. It's got so many roles it can fill and it does all of them extremely well requiring minimal support , it's the definition of A+
Gonna go ahead and agree and run with this.
So Terrakion is a good deal better in the Aegislash-less metagame. Pretty much every set that ran Earthquake before can free up that slot for another coverage or utility move, which makes them all a little better as a result. The Stealth Rock set with STABs + Stealth Rock + Taunt was good before, but its even better now that its STABs aren't walled by Aegislash anymore. I'm not a tournament player myself, but if the replays I've seen are of any indication, this set has been pretty popular in tournament play. The combination of Taunt, great speed, great power, and great coverage between Terrakion's STABs makes it a great Stealth Rock supporter for offensive teams. Swords Dance sets no longer have to worry about running Earthquake for Aegislash, which frees up that moveslot for other options, each of which have terrifying implications for offensive and defensive teams alike. I've been running Swords Dance + STABs with HP Ice to smash Landorus-T and Def Gliscor on the switch, and SubSD has gotten pretty good with Aegislash gone (I've used Salac Berry and Life Orb, and both are pretty cool). Double Dance is also alright, but I prefer Substitute myself. Choice Scarf Terrakion is still as handy a revenge killer as ever, and with Earthquake no longer being mandatory, it can run Iron Head to better handle Clefable and friends, as well as for fun flinch hax from time to time. While I wasn't a huge fan of the Choice Band set back in the Aegislash metagame, it's easier to use now that you don't have to worry about Aegislash getting in easily if you pick either of your STABs or half the rest of the metagame coming in easily if you pick Earthquake. It's still a very powerful wallbreaker and has the advantage of being harder to wear down than Life Orb sets, which makes it harder for Talonflame or something to revenge kill it. All in all, Terrakion's single biggest problem is gone, and it has the raw power and neutral coverage to 2HKO pretty much all of the metagame now with its STABs alone. It even takes advantage of the fact that many Gliscor are specially defensive now since Life Orb Stone Edge almost always 2HKOs SpD Gliscor after Stealth Rock + Poison Heal (and obviously Choice Band Stone Edge just obliterates it). It's not only a fantastic wallbreaker, but an excellent Stealth Rock supporter, a potent revenge killer, and even a devastating sweeper depending on the set it chooses. Its ability to be such a constant offensive thread and/or team supporter and the versatility to run several viable sets makes it plenty worthy of A+ Rank, especially with Aegislash gone.
I built a team this week around M-Ampharos as a laugh, because I've always had a soft spot for the little guy. I went with the sleep-talk set, because it seems to me to have little competition as an incredibly bulky special defender with a very powerful kick (165 base special attack!) and slow volt switch. I played to its strengths and went basically full stall with spikes Skarmory, stealth rock Ferrothorn, chesto-rest Rotom-H (superb synergy with m-Amp and Skarmory and once again proving its value as an anti-meta poke par excellence), magic guard CM Clefable with aromatherapy instead of a second attack and, since I was building a team of personal favourites instead of A-listers, rapid spin AV Tentacruel.
Anyway, I wasn't expecting great things from this team. And OK, I've not had the stiffest competition imaginable. But so far, it hasn't lost. In fact, it's barely lost a poke!
I don't know quite what to make of this. Alright, Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Clefable are great pokes and they do a lot of work. But my god, is M-Ampharos effective in its role. It's absolute glue and it's a nightmare to kill. Seeing it rest up and then sleep talk a volt-switch is enough to make a lot of opponents rage quit right there.
Do I think M-Amp belongs to move up from B-? Probably not, to be honest. Maybe not. I dunno. But it seems to me that the little electro-dragon has never really even been discussed. Has anybody else used a set? Did you find it's sleep talk as effective as I did? Did you use an agility set, and how was it?
Anyway, I wasn't expecting great things from this team. And OK, I've not had the stiffest competition imaginable. But so far, it hasn't lost. In fact, it's barely lost a poke!
I don't know quite what to make of this. Alright, Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Clefable are great pokes and they do a lot of work. But my god, is M-Ampharos effective in its role. It's absolute glue and it's a nightmare to kill. Seeing it rest up and then sleep talk a volt-switch is enough to make a lot of opponents rage quit right there.
Do I think M-Amp belongs to move up from B-? Probably not, to be honest. Maybe not. I dunno. But it seems to me that the little electro-dragon has never really even been discussed. Has anybody else used a set? Did you find it's sleep talk as effective as I did? Did you use an agility set, and how was it?
Starmie should definitely be B rank. I've been running a bulky set and it has a surprising amount of longevity. What sets it apart from Excadrill is that it has the great defensive type in Water, though Psychic is less than stellar defensively. It also has reliable recovery in Recover as well as the ability to shrug off status with Natural Cure. What's also wonderful is that the best spin-blocker in the tier has left to Ubers, so nothing is stopping it from spinning, especially since Gengar can't spinblock it because it's weak to Psychic and is also slower. Tyranitar and Bisharp also have a hard time pursuit-trapping it because they risk getting burned by Scald.
Starmie should definitely got to at least B- or B
Starmie should definitely got to at least B- or B
Yeah I don't know if it deserves to be moved up or not, but the black... er, yellow sheep of megas is definitely quite underrated. It has great bulk and a decent defensive typing that, despite giving it a few nasty weaknesses, still grants it resistances to fire, flying, electric, and water, allowing it to soak up some of the powerful Brave Birds and Thunderbots in OU. It has great natural bulk, and rest talk keeps it alive for much longer than you would think it would. It's bulk and low speed also makes it a great pivot as well, as it can afford to take a hit and fire back with a powerful STAB Volt Switch to bring in a teammate safely. And yes, Agility makes quite a good late game cleaner, as Modest max speed Ampharos outspeeds everything up to Greninja at +2, so you should be fine as long as you make sure to be prepared for Choice Scarf. However, as many pros as it has, it still has glaring shortcomings. Its type weaknesses and low speed tier still leave it vulnerable to being revenged, as anything faster than it with a powerful Earthquake can pick it off very easily. It also struggles with a lot of the top Pokemon in OU. Heck, 3 of the four S rank Pokemon check it easily, and huge amounts of the A rank Pokemon do as well. It just is so easy to pick off that you really need to play it smart or you're sheep will be sheared. I can see it moving up to B, but unless the meta drastically shifts I can't really see it going any higher.
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Who knows if starmie can or will go up its main niche last gen was its speed and this gen fast pokemon were introduced as well as priority
Its main roles were revenge killing and being a spinner on offensive teams. While the former role has been taken by Greninja, the latter is still something Starmie can very much do, especially with Aegislash gone, because it now beats every other relevant spinblocker. I do expect Starmie to rise somewhere in the B ranks. B+ is a little high imo but I think it's a solid B at the very least. When using Starmie, though, you ABSOLUTELY must use Rapid Spin, or else you're better off just using Greninja.
I honestly believe Gengar can stay in A. While it's SubWisp set may be A- worthy, you have to remember this is the last user of Ghost STAB in OU. Incredible STABs+incredible coverage options and support options are nothing short of A imo. It has a LO 3 atks+DBond set, allowing it to checkmate pursuit users such as Tyranitar and Bisharp, if it doesnt straight up burn them if it is SubWisp. This is why Gengar is such a threat; between its two sets, it can be a huge dick to offense or stall. the LO set is near impossible to switch into against offense due to its incredible coverage and power, and it can give a last "fuck you" with destiny bond, allowing it to attack 1 more time or bring something down with it. I don't know a match where Gengar doesnt pull its weight, because it is so damn good. You have to remember, Gengar has a great STAB combo as well as incredible coverage and support options. I can't see Gengar in A-.
I think its time to discuss the rises due to the aegi ban. It had a big affect on the meta, so all this ranking changes reflects that.
-> B Celebi is literally a very good pokemon. It has a huge, important niche that easily distinguishes it from the other grass types, even more so with aegi gone. First of all Celebi is able to take Keldeo, Landorus and Thundurus lacking hp flying. Those are the three most deadly special attackers in OU, and Celebi can beat all of them. It also can lay rocks as well as having extremely reliable, instant recovery in recover. It also takes things such as azumarill comfortably. Celebi can also run sub pass sets which are really good too as well as its nasty plot set, which comfortably dismantles cores like venutran quag. Celebi has been extremely underrated this gen, and with aegi gone it should be moved up, being a great specially defensive pivot, beating the three most dangerous special attackers in the tier and being able to provide stealth rock, or pass substitues, be a nasty plot sweeper and having natural cure which helps it against status. All those traits give it a huge niche that distinguishes it from other defensive grass types.
-> B Starmie is now a really good offensive spinner. Withought aegi to freely switch in, starmie can pressure offensive and defensive teams alike, to be able to get a free spin off. Its has a veriety of great coveredge moves to use which can be picked to suit whatever you're team needs. As an offensive water type, greninja is better, but starmie has a huge niche in being able to spin withought any ghost being able to switch in. It can also run things like reflect type to be able to spin in bisharps face.
-> B- No steels are able to avoid being trapped now. Drag mag has become a whole lot more viable.It has great utility in being able to take out pesky steels that can stop a mega pinsir or dragonite spamming their stabs. It is also a great switch into tflame. Its niche is actually really important and easily deserving of B-.
-> A- Mew is actually amazing. It has the ability to 6-0 teams. With the combination of wisp, knock off, roost and taunt it is an amazing stall breaker as well as being good against offence. It can cripple physically offensive threats with wisp and then heal of the damage, then able to cripple them with knock off. It has great all round stats and its sp.defensive stall breaker set is literally amazing, there should be no argue about this change.
-> A- Slowbro is blessed with a great defensive typing, regenerator and great bulk. It is the best switch in to band terrakion in the tier, as well as being a great switch in to zard x, mega ttar, excadrill, mega gyara (non-sub), gardchomp, azumarill, heatran and mamo among a heck ton of others. Its a lot more viable with aegislash gone and it provides an amazing defensive pivot.
-> A-/A Heracross's combination of ridiculous power, bulk and ability make it the most feared physical wall breaker for stall in the tier. Its close combat 2ohko's skarm, while its pin missile 2ohko's defensive venu. Its great bulk also lets it get a kill against offence almost every game, being able to survive powerful hits like a latias's psyshock and a specs keldeo hydro pump.
-> A Garde no longer has a good switch in. Scizor can switch in but must be extremely cautious of a will-o-wisp. Gardes ridiculous power and great special bulk let it be great against offensive and defensive teams. It is held back by its poor physical bulk and lacluster speed, but its amazing special bulk for an offensive pokemon and its ridiculous power makes it one of the most feared powerhouses in OU, and easily deserving of A.
Those are just some of the pokemon that should move due to the aegi ban. There are more but I feel these are the most important ones.
Those are just some of the pokemon that should move due to the aegi ban. There are more but I feel these are the most important ones.
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Came here to say this. Slowbro is a great blanket check to a ton of physical attackers, and even some special ones like Keldeo. Also, other than Regenerator + Slack Off, another great thing about it is its movepool, which lets it run moves like Fire Blast and STAB Psyshock to deter a lot of Pokemon.
I also agree about Celebi, I've used it a bit and it's a really solid switch-in to a lot of popular threats.
E: Actually, I agree with pretty much everything lol
Celebi actually can take HP Flying pretty well, being able to survive 2 hits of any Specs HP Flying (unless its from Specs Thundurus which doesn't exist), even after SR. Another point which I'd like to point out which is how Celebi is the only Grass to gain momentum instead of lose momentum against other Grass types, which alone makes it using over other grasses on more offensive teams.
B is too high for Celebi; too much shits on it still. You'll want to run Baton Pass on pretty much every set if you don't want to be Pursuit bait.
I disagree with Starmie rising.
- It relies on LO to do damage so it loses almost a quarter of its health each time it spins. Balance and Stall have an easy time getting it to kill itself.
- It's useless against stall unless you run TrickSpecs for Chansey.
- Defensive sets are super weak and even more useless against Stall. They're also not bulky.
- It's outclassed by Greninja as a cleaner.
- Its typing gives it very few switch-in opportunities.
- Gengar can still sack itself so you can't spin and force you to face a possible Bisharp, Greninja, etc.
- Scarf Excadrill can do your job while still checking shit like Birdspam, Thundurus, Zard X (if you're Jolly Scarf), Mega T-Tar, regular T-Tar, normal Gyarados, Greninja, Mega Gardevoir, unboosted Bisharp, and Clefable.
Mega Gardevoir and Mega Heracross still have really bad matchups against offensive teams and are deadweight against some like Birdspam.
Rofl how are they dead weight against offence, they both can take some insane hits and KO back. Im not sure what OU you're playing buddy. And rocks beat zard x, it must be bad. Seriously, stuff beats celebi like zards and bisharp, but it the three most dangerous special attackers in ou and provides really good utility, its easily deserving of B.
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