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Probably. At its best it can do 80% in melee, that shit is scary.
Something that really, REALLY irks me is something that someone posted on GameFAQS this past Sunday. Check this out (Or avert your eyes if you are worried about the amount of characters that this post claims will get into Brawl turns out to be true):
PuroresuGrande
Posted 8/12/2007 12:05:36 PM
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DON'T ASK FOR MY SOURCE. You will not be disappointed...
-There are 34 playable characters (excluding transformations).
-There are 20 starting characters, 14 hidden characters.
-Six characters have been removed from the last game.
-One of the "Original 12" has been removed.
-There are 15 newcomers (excluding transformations).
-All but one of the represented franchises from Super Smash Bros. Melee will be returning.
-Two character profiles will be revealed this coming week at the DOJO!! (one veteran and one newcomer).
Scary shit is scary if you ask me, do you think there's a mole somewhere? Of course this guy could be a liar and have made a well-predicted/extremely lucky guess. What do you think?
Sonuis, in response to your last post:
With my first response to your original "discussion-starter" post I seem to have misunderstood what you were thinking about the grappling whips, but I think I get it now... Personally I think that because of the whip's long range, you'll need to be precise about where you attack from. Since we haven't seen the move in action though, we'll just have to wait. What WOULD be interesting is that if it does hook onto flat ground, whether or not it will slide backwards until it hooks onto a ledge, or stays there. Personally I think it would be awesome if the former happened, it could be a way to prevent edgehogging.
I think the length itself is what will protect her- again, few characters can jump that far off the stage to spike someone else and then safely recover. I think it'd be great if the whip shocked people though, kind of like Sheik's chain, and like you mentioned would be handy for preventing getting meteor'd.
Another crazy idea I had was that if you could manage to hit someone in the air with the whip, ZSamus would yank them towards herself and use the force to propel herself forwards, which could be used as a meteor and recovery at the same time. Again though, that's just useless speculation.
Haha, I know it's completely off-topic but I had the strangest dream last night that it was around Christmas time and I was waking up to download a demo of Brawl on my Wii, but somehow ended up downloading some sort of Dragonball Z fighting game. I actually woke up thinking I still needed to download the demo, but then reality hit me.
The original 12 mean the characters form SSB. Well let's see the 3 that have not been confirmed.
-Luigi
-Jigglypuff
-Ness
Luigi will be in, if Wario is coming in Luigi should be staying. He is still a popular character and I don't believe he is this dropout. Jigglypuff is a very unique character and a cute little critter. I think Ness, if this is true will be dropping out. The kid from Mother 3 may replace him.
However this is still dubious. I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Like I said at another forum:
There can't be 34 characters.
In SSBM, there were 26. If the source from GF was right, there will be 25 veterans (one taken out) + Snake, Pit, Wario, PKMN Trainer, Metaknight, and Ike (Zamus doesn't count because she's a transformation).
That means there will only be 3 more slots open.
In SSBM, there were 26. If the source from GF was right, there will be 25 veterans (one taken out) + Snake, Pit, Wario, PKMN Trainer, Metaknight, and Ike (Zamus doesn't count because she's a transformation).
That means there will only be 3 more slots open.
Actually, I think either Ice Climbers or Game and Watch will stay and either Marth or Roy will leave.
The "source from GF" isn't right.
The "source" said 6 characters wouldn't return, not one. 25 (where did you get 26?) -6+15 = 34. It adds up. The fact that the "source"'s prediction was realized gives it some credibility but of course it could just be a lucky guess, or he could just be fucking with us. Even though we don't usually have 2 character reveals in the same week, it's not that hard to guess. That 6 characters will disappear isn't hard to guess either ;)
Let's play along just for fun. It says all franchises but one will return. I conclude that either G&W or Ice Climbers will be axed, but not both. Here is my prediction as for who will not return:
Dr. Mario for obvious reasons
Young Link for obvious reasons
Pichu for obvious reasons
Roy because I don't think we'll get 3 FE characters
G&W or Ice Climbers, I think G&W will get axed but I'm not sure
Jigglypuff, Ness or Luigi, I think Jigglypuff will disappear because we can only have so many pokemon characters (Pikachu, Mewtwo and Pkmn Trainer are _plenty_) but once again I'm not sure. IMO Luigi is too important in the Nintendo mythos to drop. Ness, I don't know. Maybe.
Assuming every character gets an original moveset (which I believe they will), it makes sense to drop the clones from the roster. Three clones (Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu) only make sense as clones. Roy is forgettable and extraneous. Ganondorf is an important recurring Nintendo character and will almost surely get a brand new set. Falco I'm not sure about. I'd axe him, personally, but I imagine he could get his own moves.
If the "source" is right I stand by those predictions, if it isn't I still stand by them plus Falco.
Let's play along just for fun. It says all franchises but one will return. I conclude that either G&W or Ice Climbers will be axed, but not both. Here is my prediction as for who will not return:
Dr. Mario for obvious reasons
Young Link for obvious reasons
Pichu for obvious reasons
Roy because I don't think we'll get 3 FE characters
G&W or Ice Climbers, I think G&W will get axed but I'm not sure
Jigglypuff, Ness or Luigi, I think Jigglypuff will disappear because we can only have so many pokemon characters (Pikachu, Mewtwo and Pkmn Trainer are _plenty_) but once again I'm not sure. IMO Luigi is too important in the Nintendo mythos to drop. Ness, I don't know. Maybe.
Assuming every character gets an original moveset (which I believe they will), it makes sense to drop the clones from the roster. Three clones (Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu) only make sense as clones. Roy is forgettable and extraneous. Ganondorf is an important recurring Nintendo character and will almost surely get a brand new set. Falco I'm not sure about. I'd axe him, personally, but I imagine he could get his own moves.
If the "source" is right I stand by those predictions, if it isn't I still stand by them plus Falco.
From the looks of things the tether recovery doesn't have to be exact.
Note where the beam latches on to the stage in this picture:
Now, look at how it's exactly on the ledge in this one:
Now, they could've easily just used pictures from two separate occasions, but assuming this is the same occasion, from the looks of things the beam may use ZSS's own ledge grab range, and teleport to the ledge. If that were true, it would leave all kinds of possibilities about invincibility frames and ledge hogging available, but I'd rather not go into that, as that goes a bit past our realm of knowledge right now. lol
Note where the beam latches on to the stage in this picture:
Now, look at how it's exactly on the ledge in this one:
Now, they could've easily just used pictures from two separate occasions, but assuming this is the same occasion, from the looks of things the beam may use ZSS's own ledge grab range, and teleport to the ledge. If that were true, it would leave all kinds of possibilities about invincibility frames and ledge hogging available, but I'd rather not go into that, as that goes a bit past our realm of knowledge right now. lol
Between Marth and Roy, I can see the former being more likely to be kicked out just because Ike looks too much like him. That's just my opinion, anyway. :\
Meh, that prediction being right could easily be a lucky guess.... However if it is true, I would agree that Ness will be replaced by Lucas (Mother 3)...
So I would say Ness, Roy, Pichu, Young Link and two from Marth, Falco, or Doc are gone, if it is true.
I think the fact that transformations is excluded from character count seems kind of strange, considering that Zero-Suit Samus is considered a newcomer on the site, and we know that she is at least a transformation... It's not like they put Zamus as part of the Samus page...
So I would say Ness, Roy, Pichu, Young Link and two from Marth, Falco, or Doc are gone, if it is true.
I think the fact that transformations is excluded from character count seems kind of strange, considering that Zero-Suit Samus is considered a newcomer on the site, and we know that she is at least a transformation... It's not like they put Zamus as part of the Samus page...
Not a source i would put my trust into. I don't think any veteran would be taken away, Luigi for example.
Hey the only reason this stands out is because one of the predictions turned out true, that one being the "one new veteran and one new newcomer this week" part... even if it could have been a guess, its a better prediction than I've seen anyone do if it is...
If it was missing that particular part, no one would give it a second glance.
Edit: that being said, I now think it might have been a bad idea to edit it into the first post, even if I did put a warning that it was likely false.... taking it out now...
It's not really like it's anything spectacular though, I mean I expected/predicted it too but I didn't go around posting it because
1: Nobody would care if I was right (or, judging by all the replies here, maybe people would have)
2: Everyone would say something if I was wrong
3: Everyone would tell me to stop making rumors and such.
That said, it was kinda evident (imo anyway) that they were going to do 2 characters this week since they had 0 last week, and I had thought they were trying to keep it uniform. They would almost have to do one new and one "semi-confirmed" because I highly doubt they would reveal 2 new ones in one week and they know everyone wants them to hurry up and get Snake/Peach/Metaknight up there but not all at once, so 1/1 was pretty much the most logical thing.
1: Nobody would care if I was right (or, judging by all the replies here, maybe people would have)
2: Everyone would say something if I was wrong
3: Everyone would tell me to stop making rumors and such.
That said, it was kinda evident (imo anyway) that they were going to do 2 characters this week since they had 0 last week, and I had thought they were trying to keep it uniform. They would almost have to do one new and one "semi-confirmed" because I highly doubt they would reveal 2 new ones in one week and they know everyone wants them to hurry up and get Snake/Peach/Metaknight up there but not all at once, so 1/1 was pretty much the most logical thing.
Yeah, what that source guy said was pretty obvious already. We all knew Peach was going to be revealed since they spoiled it in the Zelda/Mario/Kirby movie and Snake/Metaknight are sure to come out sooner or later.
They kept Yoshi under wraps for the longest time, so long after the Yoshi song was revealed. Everyone knew he was in the game. Sure he wasn't featured in a video/screenshot, but the song proof is pretty much just as good. After going one week without Peach, I don't see how you can say that she was sure to be posted this week. She could have gotten in the same boat that Snake and Metaknight are in. Speaking of them, I don't think there was any reason for someone to think a newcomer was coming this week. Sure, Metaknight and Snake are long overdue, but the fact that they haven't appeared this week goes to show that it has become impossible to predict when they will be revealed. And you can not tell me that someone could have predicted another complete newcomer this week with any sort of reasoning or logic.
Now I'm not saying that you didn't predict a newcomer and veteran yourself, but you can't prove it. And I would like to hear some more logical reasoning than they were trying to keep it uniform. Have you been following these updates at all? They are in no order or uniform format whatsoever. Saying that since they posted 2 characters the week before the week before the week where the prediction was made, the prediction was obvious would imply that there is some kind of pattern to these updates, which there isn't. At least none that anyone has figured out.
So either this guy is really lucky, or he has the inside scoop.
Now I'm not saying that you didn't predict a newcomer and veteran yourself, but you can't prove it. And I would like to hear some more logical reasoning than they were trying to keep it uniform. Have you been following these updates at all? They are in no order or uniform format whatsoever. Saying that since they posted 2 characters the week before the week before the week where the prediction was made, the prediction was obvious would imply that there is some kind of pattern to these updates, which there isn't. At least none that anyone has figured out.
So either this guy is really lucky, or he has the inside scoop.
When deciding if this purported leak is factual or fabrication, one must look at the amount of information he decided to give.
First of all, the figures he gives are very plausible, the numbers corresponding to a very reasonable roster. However, the fact that they are entirely inspecific points to a different conclusion: he doesn't know shit about the game, but knows enough abut starting rumours to make a realistic-looking prediction. Surely if this was truly in inside job, the guy would know the details in their entirety; if not, who's to say he himself hasn't been duped by his source?
The second and perhaps more glaring point of contention is the prediction of the two characters. If this guy had inside info, he'd have been MUCH more exact, predicting the entire week perhaps, if he was looking to be taken seriously. As it stands now it could easily have been a lucky guess; maybe he made different guesses on other forums in the hopes of hitting the jackpot. What it boils down to is that the guy gave only enough information to be believed, but absolutely nothing to prove he actually knows anything about the release. Which points to the likely possibility that the list is but a hoax.
First of all, the figures he gives are very plausible, the numbers corresponding to a very reasonable roster. However, the fact that they are entirely inspecific points to a different conclusion: he doesn't know shit about the game, but knows enough abut starting rumours to make a realistic-looking prediction. Surely if this was truly in inside job, the guy would know the details in their entirety; if not, who's to say he himself hasn't been duped by his source?
The second and perhaps more glaring point of contention is the prediction of the two characters. If this guy had inside info, he'd have been MUCH more exact, predicting the entire week perhaps, if he was looking to be taken seriously. As it stands now it could easily have been a lucky guess; maybe he made different guesses on other forums in the hopes of hitting the jackpot. What it boils down to is that the guy gave only enough information to be believed, but absolutely nothing to prove he actually knows anything about the release. Which points to the likely possibility that the list is but a hoax.
The guy is a fraud, apparently.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=37567506
He's tried it before with a different game and was apparently wrong. I'm not sure, the topic I posted confuses me. x_X
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=37567506
He's tried it before with a different game and was apparently wrong. I'm not sure, the topic I posted confuses me. x_X
i'm pretty sure that's all bullshit i thought i saw somewhere that sakurai confirmed that the original 12 were returning...
and even if he didn't confirm this, don't you think it'd make no sense removing a character after two installments?
edit: oh whoops haha forgot there was another page left in the thread
anyways yeah that was really just a shitty prediction anyone could have figured that friday they would have "unveiled" some character as they'd done twice before now [i think]
and even if he didn't confirm this, don't you think it'd make no sense removing a character after two installments?
edit: oh whoops haha forgot there was another page left in the thread
anyways yeah that was really just a shitty prediction anyone could have figured that friday they would have "unveiled" some character as they'd done twice before now [i think]
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