A political question (I guess)

[Deck Knight]

You have an odd sense of the word respect. I don't think many people respect the USA at all. Respect is earned. What has the US done in the past little while to gain respect? Countries are following along for their own political reason. The US has a lot of power and the government thinks it's above world law. You can't fuck around with them. After the USSR was split up, the US has been the only true world power.

Seriously. No respect there. Fear is a better word.

Lets see, in reverse chronological order for the last century:

Aid to basically every poor and starving nation on the face of planet earth. (ongoing)
Innumerable medical and scientific advances. (ongoing)
Putting up with a bunch of ungrateful Euroweenies, dictator shills, and anti-semites in New York City, otherwise known as the UN. (ongoing)
Massive Aid to the Tsunami victims in Indonesia, from the pockets of individual Americans no less.
Integral in Ending the Cold War
Integral in Ending World War II
Integral in Ending World War I

Yeah, America has never done anything for the world. Except save its ass every time those ungrateful Euroweenies are getting their ass handed to them by the Germans or the Russians. When Europe needs something done to further their interests in foreign lands, who do they send for? American troops.

America is the only hyperpower in world history that takes this kind of crap. We do it because we're better people than the ungrateful bastards we begrudingly (sometimes) call allies. Do you really think Stalinist or Fascist heirs, had they won aforementioned conflicts would sit back and let a bunch of irrelevant, jealous stooges attack their society and culture on a daily basis if they had the kind of power the US currently enjoys? We had to threaten to blow the whole damn world up with the Soviets until, thankfully, their economy collapsed from within.

I should have added a fourth category to my list of people who hate America: The historically ignorant.

I admit that America's education system is a joke (and I place the blame for that solely on an education system run by unions and political correctness), but only those completely ignorant of world history over the past century would have the gall to ask "so what has America done for us recently?"

What the hell has Europe or anyone else done for us recently, other than send us off to fight their wars and their battles and then attack us for being "World Police?"

If it wern't for America we'd be typing online now in German or Russian, if at all (Americans invented the internet).

 

[rbygsc kid 251]

I have lived in America my whole life and I personally love the country, but I know that we have many problems. I obvouisly can not speak for Europeans (or the rest of the world for that matter), but I can understand where people are always pissed off with America.

1) Capitalism: Yes, I agree it really isn't fair that I want to be a teacher and will only be paid 40K a year; whereas, Brett Farve's back up gets paid over a million a year and does absolutely NOTHING. However, I was unlucky at birth. I'm only 5'5" so sports are pretty much out of the question and I was born in the lower class. These are things that I can't help. What I can do is make the most of my situation rather than just sit around and bitch about it. Last time I checked, I don't need to wear 150 dollar Nike's to function; 20 dollar tennis shoes do the same thing. So for me 40K will work quite nicely. On to the issue of people below the poverty line. For most people, they were born here. There really isn't much they can do but try to work their way out of it, but until the rich are completely stripped of their gold, millions will suffer. Also, do realize that not everyone is poor as a result of being born that way. People who abused crack put themselves in that position, although that is very few in number. For those of you who say that a "universal health care system" will not work, I unfortunetly have to agree with you. Sure, it is nice in theory, but as mentioned before, you will have to wait forever in a hospitial unless you are mortally wounded. After all, If money grew on trees, everyone would have it, but it would also be worth nothing. Health care is kinda similar, everyone has it; therefore, it's value depreciates.

2) arrogance. Yeah, America is extremely arrogant. There is a reason. Hey Britain and France, how many times did America and Russia save your asses from Germany? Twice too many. Notice I say America AND Russia, because America really played a small part in both wars(on the European continent), contratry to what many Americans think. It's funny how Europeans look at the US so lowly in 2007, when in 1919, it was Britain and France's greed and arrogance that led to Germany paying unreal war debts and what ultimately led to quite possibly the most evil man on the planet destroying the continent of Europe for the second time in 25 years. Chamberlain had a chance to crush Hitler in 1938, but he simply twiddled his thumbs. The reason we are the police of the world is because we are the big bad asses of the planet. Does anyone remember what Great Britain did to India? They made the Indians pick cotton, ship it to Britain, where the British made clothes, and then forced the Indians to buy back those very clothes. Great Britain, and the rest of Europe used to be the police of the world, and there time in the spotlight is over. I would suggest that some of you America haters read the book 1984 by George Orwell. That is what the world would be like if the Soviet Union won the Cold War. If worse comes to worse just look at America as "Europe's Frankenstein". Europe essentially created what America is and now they are regretting it. In all of this though, I do not dislike Europe. I just believe they should not be too quick to judge when they were in the same boat in the pass.

3) Isreal. This is the reason why the Middle East hates America. In WWI, Britain and France promised countries such as Jordan and Syria a homeland for the Arab's to live in because they helped defeat the Ottoman Empire in the East. However, Britain and France went back on there promise and took the land back. Enter Hitler. 6 million Jews were slaughtered in Concentration Camps, and after the war, America and the rest of the UNITED NATIONS promised the Jews this homeland. Well the problem is obvious here: two countries promised the same land. After Isreal was named a state in 1948, America was targeted. The Arabs felt betrayed because they thought the U.S. would be the country to liberate them and give them the land they wanted, but the U.S. simply turned there backs. The war on terror is a direct result of 1948.

4) Gay rights and abortion. These are MORAL issues and have no business on a POLITICAL level. I'm a Christian, and am very pro-life; however, I don't think Iran really gives a shit about America's stand on abortion. The bottom line is we are a Christian nation and the Middle East is mostly Islamic. Islams and Christians do not get along. It will never matter what the ultimate result of abortion and gay marriage is in this country, if there is no country here. The war on terror is important because otherwise, Islamic people will bring the fight in our backyard, and pretty soon we won't have to worry about abortion and gay rights; we'll have to worry about worshiping Allah or death.

Final thoughts: Regardless of what you think or feel about the topic at hand, realize that all civilizations FALL. This is essentially all you have to know about history. Just as all of you were born and will die, all civilizations rise and will fall. America is no different. So for you America haters, you can go to bed easy tonight knowing that you're descendents may not have to be bullied around by the U.S. After all, you really never know how great you have it, until it is GONE.

 

[rbygsc kid 251]

Lets see, in reverse chronological order for the last century:

Aid to basically every poor and starving nation on the face of planet earth. (ongoing)
Innumerable medical and scientific advances. (ongoing)
Putting up with a bunch of ungrateful Euroweenies, dictator shills, and anti-semites in New York City, otherwise known as the UN. (ongoing)
Massive Aid to the Tsunami victims in Indonesia, from the pockets of individual Americans no less.
Integral in Ending the Cold War
Integral in Ending World War II
Integral in Ending World War I

Yeah, America has never done anything for the world. Except save its ass every time those ungrateful Euroweenies are getting their ass handed to them by the Germans or the Russians. When Europe needs something done to further their interests in foreign lands, who do they send for? American troops.

America is the only hyperpower in world history that takes this kind of crap. We do it because we're better people than the ungrateful bastards we begrudingly (sometimes) call allies. Do you really think Stalinist or Fascist heirs, had they won aforementioned conflicts would sit back and let a bunch of irrelevant, jealous stooges attack their society and culture on a daily basis if they had the kind of power the US currently enjoys? We had to threaten to blow the whole damn world up with the Soviets until, thankfully, their economy collapsed from within.

I should have added a fourth category to my list of people who hate America: The historically ignorant.

I admit that America's education system is a joke (and I place the blame for that solely on an education system run by unions and political correctness), but only those completely ignorant of world history over the past century would have the gall to ask "so what has America done for us recently?"

What the hell has Europe or anyone else done for us recently, other than send us off to fight their wars and their battles and then attack us for being "World Police?"

If it wern't for America we'd be typing online now in German or Russian, if at all (Americans invented the internet).

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's funny how people are always crying and complaning when they don't know shit about history. "those who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it".

Firestorm, you know what the U.S. has done for the world? Cleaned up all of Europe's damn messes. Europe is like an old person. They think they can cook and clean and take care of themselves with out America's (their son's) help, but they are only fooling themselves.

Finally, to be fair, as a history major, Russians have saved Europeans way more than they have hurt them. namely, Napoleon, WWI, and WWII. If there is one thing Russia, can do well, it is die with honor. They (or rather their shitty leaders) threw countless bodies in the face of German bullets and Napoleon.

 

[Deck Knight]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's funny how people are always crying and complaning when they don't know shit about history. "those who do not learn from the past, are doomed to repeat it".

Firestorm, you know what the U.S. has done for the world? Cleaned up all of Europe's damn messes. Europe is like an old person. They think they can cook and clean and take care of themselves with out America's (their son's) help, but they are only fooling themselves.

Finally, to be fair, as a history major, Russians have saved Europeans way more than they have hurt them. namely, Napoleon, WWI, and WWII. If there is one thing Russia, can do well, it is die with honor. They (or rather their shitty leaders) threw countless bodies in the face of German bullets and Napoleon.

Actually, dispite my virulent hatred of Fascists/Communists as a political movement, I've always sort of admired both Russians and Germans. For the latter it mostly stems from a good work ethic, immense discipline and focus, and high quality products associated with such characteristics. One of my professors said of Russians: "Russians don't take a crap without making a plan." Millions of Russians died fending off Hitler (and sadly, millions more were killed by Stalin.) I can't say I know too much else other than anecdotes, but Russians do appear to have a strong sense of national pride.

Unlike our current Islamofascist nutter enemy, you could actually talk to the Soviets because their main goals could be achieved through earlthy means. You can't talk with a man who thinks both killing you and dying in the process are going to win him a trip to heaven. The Russians were at least sensible. The basic idea behind the Cold War was to kill communism, not Russians. Sad truth was that commies (then and now) don't part easily with power, so essentially you had to make a prisoner's dilema situation where it was more favorable to prevent anyone from getting nuked then it was to start hostilities.

If you don't mind, I think I'll borrow "Europe's Frankenstein" for any other Europe/America discussion.

Oh, and I hope I didn't lash out too harshly against Europe earlier. My primary problem is with their craptastic bureaucrats (The motto of the bEurocrat is: When the going gets tough, send for America).

I haven't really been around the world, but the same basic principle seems to hold, at least for the Canada, the UK and Scotland: Most people don't have the time or the interest to actually hate something. They might have an opinion, but it usually isn't set in stone. Even if they do hate America, they probably won't be rude to an American. They'll probably bash Bush (deservedly or no, the man sold me down the river too, but this Bush = Hitler stuff is complete nonsense and an insult to anyone who suffered during WWII), but that's normal and Americans don't care. American's value free speech, the only thing we ask in return is that if you're spouting a crock of %&@#, we also have the right to call you on it.

That's the beauty of America.

You can come to America.
You can bash America.
You can act like a stupid putz and say all sorts of horrible, inaccurate things about America.
And no American will stop you, imprison you, or otherwise detain you.

Just don't expect an invite to any parties though, and don't be shocked when a random patriotic American citizen tells you to have a nice cup of STFU, or another classic, "if you hate America so much, why don't you just leave? (sidenote: many celebrities have threatened this. None have followed through, much to my dismay)"

 

[Firestorm]

I meant the last decade, but okay, century:

Lets see, in reverse chronological order for the last century:

Aid to basically every poor and starving nation on the face of planet earth. (ongoing) - Yes, because the US is the only country giving aid
Innumerable medical and scientific advances. (ongoing) - Yes. US is the only country with scientists
Putting up with a bunch of ungrateful Euroweenies, dictator shills, and anti-semites in New York City, otherwise known as the UN. (ongoing) - What the fuck.
Massive Aid to the Tsunami victims in Indonesia, from the pockets of individual Americans no less. - Firstly, it wasn't just Indonesia. Secondly, you weren't the only nation. Far from it.
Integral in Ending the Cold War - That was pretty much US vs USSR... How does that even figure into this?
Integral in Ending World War II - True, but where were you until you were personally hit?
Integral in Ending World War I - True, but where were you for the first few years?

Deck Knight... seriously, the US is not a gift from god to the world or whatever you think it is. None of that shit puts you above INTERNATIONAL LAW.

rbygsc kid 251, I agree with points #1 - #4 although I don't think the value of health care depreciates. I live in Canada where we already have MediCare, so I won't comment too much on it.

 

[Vineon]

I am never exactly impressed whenever rich countries flaunt they help third world countries economically. Rich countries have nothing to gain from third world countries getting out of their poor spot and they've understood that. Capitalism with always be the rich feeding off the poor.

Besides, past wars have nothing whatsoever to do with people from other countries's rights to be allowed to disagree with american policies. The fact that some of America feels they should because "they've saved their ass" generations before is really over the top arrogance. I hate when world war facts are brought up in discussions like this because I see it having really little to do with it.

 

[McGrrr]

Weak dollar = cheap electronic goods.

America would be my second choice (after England) as a place to live. Living standards are comparatively similar, but the cost of living is substantially cheaper over there. It is mainly liberal gun laws and summer heatwaves that put me off. Then again, as long as I lived someplace without a ghetto, I would be nearly just as safe as in affluent Southeast England.

As for the people, it is obvious that there are many types of Americans. For some, the chubby/ignorant/better than thou stereotype is not far off, but I would probably blend in happily with most white collar middle class demographics. I judge people on their merits, not where they come from.

Edit: oh, this is meant to be political... American foreign policy has always been self righteous and even idealistic. It is of course debatable whether its impact will be beneficial in the long run. Recent history obviously favours the plaintiff, but the accused was merely following its vote winning instincts.

 

[CupofLifenoodles]

" It is mainly liberal gun laws and summer heatwaves that put me off."

I thought of the deep south then I laughed heartily.

 

[God.]

Reason #1: The issues that are most important to american politicians (at least those they talk about most) are gay marriage and abortion. Issues which I believe are pointless. America was in the middle of a war and those idiots were more concerned about minor cultural debate that serves no purpose but to obtain the votes of ignorant, fanatic evangelical christians. any information about the senseless slaughter being committed by both sides in the iraq war seems to take a back shelf during election time.

what

Immigration and terrorism take much more presence right now than Abortion or Gay Marriage. Especially Immigration which is a very hot issue right now.

Reason #2: America has enormous wealth and we don't have universal health care. do not feed me the bull about how government health care is horrible or communist or whatever. its not. If cuba gives away health care to its citizens america certainly can. The politicians hide behind stupid crap about self reliance, but its just an excuse to let people suffer while they accept campaign contributions from HMOs.

The thing about this is, America has the absolute best healthcare in the world - for those who can afford it. We have great specilization, equipment, and facilities. Leaders of foreign countries will sometimes come to America when they need medical care. The problem is, if universal healthcare is given in the same way it is in other countries, although everyone will get it, the overall standard will fall. It's more of a complicated issue than it seems, and I need to do more research into before I make a decision. And this is from someone who doesn't have health insurance.

4) We idiotically invaded Iraq for basically no reason

'cept for terrorism. Iraq isn't a vacuum war.

 

[God.]

Deck Knight... seriously, the US is not a gift from god to the world or whatever you think it is. None of that shit puts you above INTERNATIONAL LAW.

About Internation Law. America pretty much IS the UN. The UN told America not to invade Iraq, which is pretty typical of the UN Policy of Not Really Doing Anything. George Bush has been the most vocal for Darfur intervention, a favorite issue of the same liberal teenagers who hate Bush, and has pushed for it to be called Genocide, which the UN pussyfoots around with, because if they call it what it is, they HAVE to intervine, and they don't want to. We probably just want their oil lol

 

[Deck Knight]

I meant the last decade, but okay, century:

Deck Knight... seriously, the US is not a gift from god to the world or whatever you think it is. None of that shit puts you above INTERNATIONAL LAW.

rbygsc kid 251, I agree with points #1 - #4 although I don't think the value of health care depreciates. I live in Canada where we already have MediCare, so I won't comment too much on it.

Never said the US was perfect, nor did I say other contries didn't help or do anything. You asked "what has the US done for the world recently?" I gave you the short, general list off the top of my head. If you want to localize it to the last decade, the Tsunami aid relief remains, the ousting of Saddam remains an international good regardless of whatever hatred comes our way, and as far as major world events are concerned, the biggest moment in our history occurred on September 11th, 2001. For perspective, look at the reaction: human rights violators in backwards nations accross the world cheered the death of 3000 Americans that day. Our allies sent us aid and comfort.

That's the difference between America and our declared enemies. When disaster befalls anywhere else on earth, Americans send aid. When disaster hits here, our allies support us and our enemies hold a parade in the street.

But do tell me, which International Laws has the US violated? Who decided those internatational laws, and which court would we go to, on what charges. I have a hunch that the US had a large part in actually making those laws, primarily because most of them started developing after Europe blew itself to bits twice in 50 years.

It started with Woodrow Wilson's (28th President) Fourteen Points, which factored into the Treaty of Versailles and The League of Nations.

League of Nations? It failed mostly as a result of WW II exposing its weaknesses, but it was Woodrow Wilson who did a lot of groundwork on it. Granted the US never joined, but that was due to domestic politics and the Republicans greatly disliking Democrat Wilson. The UN was a spinoff of the same idea that ocurred after World War II. The International Criminal Court is a more recent development, and quite frankly rejecting to join them doesn't mean we're violating "international law."

Same with the United Nations, the brainchild of Roosevelt and Churchill. I'm not saying "we made the laws so we can break them," I'm saying "we made the laws so we know them down-pat."
Please don't tell me something like "violated the Geneva conventions." If you look at world history, the only people who have done that are, gasp, America's enemies. Americans don't use human shields. Americans don't dress as civilians when attacking other people. America has followed every applicable international law too the letter, and only people inculucated in leftist thought, by purpose or brainwashing could argue otherwise.

In summary, the US had a heavy hand in creating International Laws in the first place, and no one I've ever seen has been able to point to the international law the US has supposedly violated. Invading Iraq? Lesse, Saddam was evading UN sanctions and other international laws for thirteen years, bribing France and Germany with oil-for-food, attacking planes from other nations in the No Fly Zone... but the US violated international law for putting a stop to it, once and for all. I love that logic. Maybe if the UN or the ICC had any actual teeth and not just empty threats, they could have tried Saddam before we had to wipe out his military capabilities (in a matter of months, no less.) The problem with international law as it now stands, is that no country, democracy or dictatorship, is willing to cede its sovereignty to an international body. Even if the ICC had teeth, who wants to bet Saddam would just send the summons back with a photocopy of his exposed rear and the words "Kiss It" in arabic?

The fact is, America is the sole reason most of the world lives their lives the way they do today. Call it "meddling" or call it interational engagement, every serious historian refers to the 20th Century as "The American Century."

But hey, America sucks. Why let history and reality get in your way?

Also, sorry for the tl:dr posts, but history and politics has a way of droning on.

 

[Firestorm]

Meh, you know, I guess I'll just say that this all has to do with the US being the only world superpower. During the Cold War, they couldn't do what they do now as they were kept in check by the USSR, but obviously that was a crappy situation too since both countries wanted to have enough power to blow each other up.

And saying America most of the world lives today isn't that positive of a statement. I mean, there are far more countries that are poor than rich.

And by International Law, yes I mean pretty much the founding principles of the UN. Also how if an Americans seem to get preferential treatment when breaking laws outside their country as opposed to others. Can't remember most of the instances and I'm not going to go looking now.

The US is "pretty much the UN" only because they have the military force to be. I mean, look at Canada: "Peacemakers".

Although I have to say, just because the USA had a large part in creating the rules doesn't mean your current government knows it any better than any other government.

Also, my question was "What has the US done to gain world respect recently". And I'd say what they've been doing to lose respect does outweigh what they've done to earn it in the public eye. I am not American. I don't hate America, but I've got to say, you guys don't make a great impression.

I'd say hardly anyone in Canada has a good impression of the States after the last year or two. Stealing millions of dollars from your neighbour isn't very nice after all. Especially when you know they can hardly do anything about it.

 

[Surgo]

The thing about this is, America has the absolute best healthcare in the world - for those who can afford it. We have great specilization, equipment, and facilities. Leaders of foreign countries will sometimes come to America when they need medical care. The problem is, if universal healthcare is given in the same way it is in other countries, although everyone will get it, the overall standard will fall. It's more of a complicated issue than it seems, and I need to do more research into before I make a decision. And this is from someone who doesn't have health insurance.

This is really just...not true. To use one rather important example, the UK is miles ahead of the US in anything involving M.S. (How do I know this? My mother suffers for it.) This is not true only for M.S., but any disease that involves embryonic stem cells for treatment.

 

[commonyoshi]

Also, my question was "What has the US done to gain world respect recently".

I'm very interested on how you would answer that question if it were turned around on China, England, Germany, or France. So please tell me what any of those countries have done to gain the respect of the world lately. Sorry if this seems like I'm challenging you or something like that. I'm just very curious.

And I looked at your counter arguements against Deck Knight. The US certainly isn't the only country who helps needy countries after disasters and contributes great scientific discoveries, but it is definitely one of the better ones.

"Integral in Ending World War II - True, but where were you until you were personally hit?"
Sending countless provisions to the Allies, and restricting Nazi movements in the Atlantic Ocean.
"Integral in Ending World War I - True, but where were you for the first few years?"
Funny how people criticize America right now for sticking its nose in places it doesn't belong. Well America didn't belong there either until the Zimmerman Note. It seems America gets blamed no matter what.

 

[Firestorm]

Yes, I guess I agree with you there commonyoshi. Although we do seem to be getting away from my initial point. I was only commenting on the idea that the USA was among the most respected countries in the world. I don't want to get into some crazy debate about the US because I quite honestly don't care about it.

Although it does irk me when Americans use the World Wars as to why they're so important.

 

[Hipmonlee]

See the real problems with americans is that when an argument like this starts, you guys really dont get it..

Someone said that there are only 3 types of people who hate americans.. Well that isnt true. Everyone hates americans.

But dont take it to heart, everyone hates the french too, also the english, the germans, the japanese, the chinese, australians, and pretty much anyone from any country that isnt the one that they live in.

See the real problem with Americans is that they are generally so insulated from the rest of the world, that when they meet people from these other countries that hate them, you are so shocked, and you dont really know how to respond. So you start spouting off bs about ww2 that just pisses everybody off.

Basically what it comes down to is different countries have different cultures, and people dont like that. You come to NZ or whatever and you expect to be treated exactly as you would in USA when that isnt what happens here.. Then you get upset and you call NZ a shithole and we have to put up with your lecturing about why your country is better than ours. But, on the other hand, you are less whiney about it than the English, which is nice, and you spit slightly less than the french do..

Also every country in the world has shit foreign policy, but USA have the most foreign policy, and therefore have the most shit foreign policy.

Have a nice day.

 

[MinorthreaT]

It is definitely the most hated nation on earth. But that tends to happen to whatever is defined as the strongest.

I personally dislike America's general overall arrogance as a country. Most of the third world I would suspect really hate them, seeing they are the best representation of what they arent.

I remember watching an american news discussion show where the topic of discussion was Canada's recent more permissive marijuana laws and what effects that might have in the united states. Comments such as "who do they think we are, without us, they'd be as important on this continent as Uruguay is in south america" and "sometimes I wish we would just go up there and crush them". They even had a canadian politician on the show over satelite and asked him what they'd do once the united states decide to impose an embargo on canada over it, because it apparently had a good chance to happen.

This is what I mean by arrogance, it is totally a generalisation to say this is what most americans believe, but not a single country should have to ask the united states permission to make their own laws, but apparently, the us believe they have a veto on everything.

It is also not well seen by everyone that they think of themselves as the world's police, that they dismiss international environment accords such as kyoto and Iraq certainly didnt help.

HAH! Arrogance in America is nothing compared to that of the EU. Wat is "soft power" anyways?

And as for your assertion that the thrid world hates us, not to get over vitriolic, but a recent study showed that in the third world (read= africa) America is approved of roguhly 66% (compare that to 48% in Russia, 45% Britain, etc.).

America can afford to be arrogant, and what most people in the rest of the World call arrogance, I call pride in being a little better than the average bear. I spent 48 days in japan and i HATED EVERY GODDAMN MINUTE OF IT. There was trash in the streets, i saw a yakuza gun battle from a train and I watched as a mine blew 36 Japanese soldiers to hell. This is not to say that America is perfect (far from it, walk around in compton if you think so) but it is to say that America is not "THE GREAT SATAN" that Al-fucking-jazeera and "le monde" make us out to be.

Oh, parting shot:

in America we have 5-8% max unemployment and a FUCKING AWESOME capitalistic society, in europe the average unemployment rate is 23% beat that bitches. In africa it is WAYYYYYY high (read=nobody bothers doing studies its soooo high) and in Japan unemployment is insane.

America ftw. I don't jsut say that because I am American either.

 

[Vineon]

lol that was a fantastic post, it made my day. Every part of it.

I'd agree arrogance is seen in Europe as well. England & especially France seem particularly arrogant to me. Then again, not as much as the americans in by book.

Regardless of your statistic, I am still willing to bet most of the third world hates america. Note "do you love america" wasnt the question they polled people with. Also, you did not link to this study. But I am willing to trust you on it. Let's say you are right and that 2/3 of Africa (which isnt the third world alone) 'approve of america'. What the hell does 'America is approved' mean anyway.

You can afford to be arrogant. Ok sure, never said you couldnt afford it, but that is still the main reason most people hate you guys. Hell, patriotism is a good think, it blinds you though.

I dont understand your Japan experience, you're saying you went there for a month and a half and had to walk through mine fields. A gun fight in Japan? Wait mine fields, and japanese soldiers killed. What the fuck are you talking about. Wow Japan is dangerous, I had no clue it was war over there. You never went to Japan.

I dont think, aside from extremists, that most people believe America is Satan either.

I'd be really shocked if this unemployment rate average for Europe was true. Please back your statements with links. Although yes, certainly it is significantly higher than that of the United States. Please dont compare Africa with industrialised countires.

Yes America is a lot of good things. Make your patriotism heard. Somehow, still, everybody hates you guys and this thread is to find out why that is, and frankly, you did shed some light on the reason.

And no, of course, none of what you said was because you are american.

 

[MinorthreaT]

lol that was a fantastic post, it made my day. Every part of it.

Sarcasm? I don't say that as insecure i say that actually because I am asking.

 

[Vineon]

no, I'll edit a few comments to it, just hold a sec.

 

[Sanders]

There was trash in the streets, i saw a yakuza gun battle from a train and I watched as a mine blew 36 Japanese soldiers to hell.

you're so full of shit it's painful.

also: the median broadband speed in the us is 1.9mbps, while japan's is 61mbps.

that's all that matters right?

 

[MinorthreaT]

i find it funny that you do not believe me, and i think that your priorities are wrong. if you want evidence, please go to google and the ngoogle "YFU exchange"

i think that if you invest a little time in searching the internet you will find that the police arrested rougly 6-10 members of the local gang in a town called yokosuka in late July, also if you do not believe me, I lived in a town Called Miura, which is in Hasse.

In addition, I think that calling me "full of shit" while accurate as I did just eat a hamburger from McDonalds, is unkind, and puts you in the realm of personal attacks, which if you are a student of debate, will tell me that you cannot really debate me on any good points (Japan's high speed internet is expensive beyond belief, not really a societal selling point, you think?).

When you can come up with a cogent argument, please, pm me, I would be happy to debate you on why America is nice place and undeserving of all the hate mongering that is thrown at it by the EU (particulalry people like Jacques Chirac and that chick who was the prime minister for germany).

Have a Nice Summer.

EDIT: Almost forgot, actually the mine that blew up the 36 Japanese soldiers was considered some act of terror by the japanese government, i think that it happened around July 2nd, but I am not exactly sure without looking it up on the internet, I think that if you spend time looking around ofr it, you will find that I have told the turht completely in my post, but as always, you are welcome to be ignorant ("He holds his own opinion higher than other men, who refuses to share it," -Ben Franklin?) and self-indulgent.

 

[Sanders]

i find it funny that you do not believe me, and i think that your priorities are wrong. if you want evidence, please go to google and the ngoogle "YFU exchange"

i think that if you invest a little time in searching the internet you will find that the police arrested rougly 6-10 members of the local gang in a town called yokosuka in late July, also if you do not believe me, I lived in a town Called Miura, which is in Hasse.

In addition, I think that calling me "full of shit" while accurate as I did just eat a hamburger from McDonalds, is unkind, and puts you in the realm of personal attacks, which if you are a student of debate, will tell me that you cannot really debate me on any good points (Japan's high speed internet is expensive beyond belief, not really a societal selling point, you think?).

When you can come up with a cogent argument, please, pm me, I would be happy to debate you on why America is nice place and undeserving of all the hate mongering that is thrown at it by the EU (particulalry people like Jacques Chirac and that chick who was the prime minister for germany).

Have a Nice Summer.

EDIT: Almost forgot, actually the mine that blew up the 36 Japanese soldiers was considered some act of terror by the japanese government, i think that it happened around July 2nd, but I am not exactly sure without looking it up on the internet, I think that if you spend time looking around ofr it, you will find that I have told the turht completely in my post, but as always, you are welcome to be ignorant ("He holds his own opinion higher than other men, who refuses to share it," -Ben Franklin?) and self-indulgent.

both of these incidents would have been in the news somewhere, or would have been turned up by a google search. nothing. you're full of shit, and the hi-speed internet thing was a joke.

 

[Tangerine]

I guess I should try to explain why a lot of Koreans tend to dislike America, considering I spent quite some bit of time talking to them.

From another country's perspective, Koreans are under the impression that America is like Rome - that it's just waiting for a fall and the "Pax Americana" has gone on too long, and the country is rotting away from the inside. But then, what do they know.

Another thing is that their judgments are based on the people they have ran across Korea that are Americans. Korea is under a huge "LEARN ENGLISH OR DIE" fad at the moment, so a lot of foreigners come to Korea to teach English.

The Only problem being is that a lot of them are unqualified unemployed dorks who came over to make some "quick cash". They forge college degrees and such and Korea hasn't done a good job checking them until the recent scare with a lot of forged resumes nowadays. These people get into the schools, and "teach" english and apparently also rape/molest a lot of the girls. Their attitude (Think about it, unemployed jerks who forge resumes?) really strengthens the anti American feeling that has been there since the incident where some American solider ran over some highschool girl with a tank and gotten away with it completely and such.

While Korea grew up with a lot of debt to the US (And this is reflected in the attitudes of the adults), the younger generations really do feel that Americans (especially from what they see), are just arrogant good for nothing dorks who come over to take advantage of Koreans at this point.

Generally it takes one person to ruin an entire country's reputation - since Korea is pretty homogeneous and everyone must act exactly the same or be smitten by the society - I guess they expect the same thing from America.

 

[Judgement]

i find it funny that you do not believe me, and i think that your priorities are wrong. if you want evidence, please go to google and the ngoogle "YFU exchange"

i think that if you invest a little time in searching the internet you will find that the police arrested rougly 6-10 members of the local gang in a town called yokosuka in late July, also if you do not believe me, I lived in a town Called Miura, which is in Hasse.

In addition, I think that calling me "full of shit" while accurate as I did just eat a hamburger from McDonalds, is unkind, and puts you in the realm of personal attacks, which if you are a student of debate, will tell me that you cannot really debate me on any good points (Japan's high speed internet is expensive beyond belief, not really a societal selling point, you think?).

When you can come up with a cogent argument, please, pm me, I would be happy to debate you on why America is nice place and undeserving of all the hate mongering that is thrown at it by the EU (particulalry people like Jacques Chirac and that chick who was the prime minister for germany).

Have a Nice Summer.

EDIT: Almost forgot, actually the mine that blew up the 36 Japanese soldiers was considered some act of terror by the japanese government, i think that it happened around July 2nd, but I am not exactly sure without looking it up on the internet, I think that if you spend time looking around ofr it, you will find that I have told the turht completely in my post, but as always, you are welcome to be ignorant ("He holds his own opinion higher than other men, who refuses to share it," -Ben Franklin?) and self-indulgent.

That is a large bucket of bullshit that you're carrying there, because if that had really happened then it would have been on the news.

America does deserve some of the hatemongering since the government has made some pretty boneheaded decisions in the past few years. While other countries are not entirely blameless themselves, you cannot argue that the United States is perfect because, guess what, it is not.

Don't make arguments like that unless you actually have something to warrant them.