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I find it rather interesting that you claim that I said that America is perfect. I have found TONS of things that are not perfect in America, but they detract little from it as a place (unless you live in the projects, which i most certainly do not).

Also, you continue to personally attack me as full of shit, as I said, i did jsut eat a cheesebrger, but if you spend even a small amount of time on the internet you will find that what I said previously is exactly true.

"If you can't answer a man's arguement, no matter, you can still call him rotten names,"
-Ben Franklin
 
you are full of shit. i just spent 5 minutes on the internet and still can't find 36 japanese soldiers dying from a landmine. why would there be landmines in japan anyway? why would they be in a city where you could see them? why would it be all soldiers dying if it was a terrorist attack? how could one landmine kill 36 people?

you are full of shit. how about you answer my argument before busting out the big scary ben franklin quotes?
 
I find it rather interesting that you claim that I said that America is perfect. I have found TONS of things that are not perfect in America, but they detract little from it as a place (unless you live in the projects, which i most certainly do not).

Also, you continue to personally attack me as full of shit, as I said, i did jsut eat a cheesebrger, but if you spend even a small amount of time on the internet you will find that what I said previously is exactly true.

"If you can't answer a man's arguement, no matter, you can still call him rotten names,"
-Ben Franklin

I'm generalizing on what you said because that's basically your argument, since the rest of it did not even mean anything worthwhile. It's total bullshit since there was no mine blowing up 36 people. You also mentioned "YFU exchange" but that has no meaning in this at all, either. Moreover, you did not address any of the arguments brought against your logic. All you did was quote Benjamin Franklin. If you knew anything a debate then maybe you would post something that is not bullshit, but I highly, highly doubt that. You can't just make these baseless arguments since there is no proof to back up anything that you have said. All you have posted is complete and total bullshit.
 
Also I kinda find it amusing that you would use gun violence as evidence of america being better than japan..

Have a nice day.
 
In addition, I think that calling me "full of shit" while accurate as I did just eat a hamburger from McDonalds,

Also, you continue to personally attack me as full of shit, as I said, i did jsut eat a cheesebrger,

So what was it? A Hamburger or a Cheeseburger? I demand to know the truth as I can't take any more lies.

It's funny how Europeans look at the US so lowly in 2007, when in 1919, it was Britain and France's greed and arrogance that led to Germany paying unreal war debts and what ultimately led to quite possibly the most evil man on the planet destroying the continent of Europe for the second time in 25 years. Chamberlain had a chance to crush Hitler in 1938, but he simply twiddled his thumbs.

Whilst I applaud your knowledge with regards to Americas role in WW2 being small and primarily in their own interests, I think you need to revise the formation of the Treaty of Versailles. France was known as the vengeful, greedy representative of the 3 powers, not Britain. I don't think me rambling on here is gonna prove my point, so I'll quote from Wikipedia instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versailles_treaty#Britain.27s_aims

Georges Clemenceau's aims can be summarized as follows:
  1. To gain control of most of Germany's factories,
  2. To humiliate the German people,
  3. To permanently cripple Germany's armed forces so France would never be threatened again,
  4. And to create a "buffer zone" by demilitarizing the Rhineland.
Lloyd George's aims can be summarized as follows:
  1. To defend British interests by preserving Britain’s naval supremacy that had been threatened by Germany in the run up to the war, maintaining Britain’s empire and possibly increased colonial expansion;
  2. To reduce Germany’s future military power and to obtain reparations,
  3. Not to create an embittered Germany that would seek revenge and threaten peace in the long term future; and lastly,
  4. To help Germany economically to become a strong trading partner with Britain.
So please, if we're gonna discuss World War II could we use the facts, not the brainwashing propaganda fed in American schools. I whole-heartedly accept and appreciate the aid offered by the US but ignorance like "Yeah, America has never done anything for the world. Except save its ass every time those ungrateful Euroweenies are getting their ass handed to them by the Germans or the Russians. When Europe needs something done to further their interests in foreign lands, who do they send for? American troops" is just disgusting.

If they were so intent on saving their asses then why did they wait until 1941? Why did they wait until they were attacked? Why did they wait till 4,000 American servicemen were wounded and nearly 200 American aircraft destroyed before involving themselves? Surely SuperAmerica could have helped out back when the war kicked off 1939? 2 days after Poland was invaded, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and France rushed to their aid and declared war on Germany. We had to wait another 2 years for any American help, and lets face it - it was the Soviets who won World War II.

And I can't believe that any American will sit there and boast about their involvement in World War II after the atrocities of August 1945. Attempt to justify that was much as you want, but hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children died in that week.

But in answer to the OP, yeah, America is the butt of a lot of jokes over here. If you asked Average English Joe if he liked the US, he'd probably say no. Not because they have no respect for history...it's because they have a LOT of respect for history. Nearly 500, 000 Britons died defending Europe and for some cocky, jumped up Yank to totally undermine it and glorify their own contribution makes my blood boil. And it's that kind of arrogance that pisses us off so greatly.

I apologise to everyone offended by my post though. It would be foolish of me to view every American as arrogant or ignorant because that's obviously not the case. The US has some of the greatest minds in the world and has done a lot for the advancement of the Earth. But unfortunately, our media makes sure we only see the negative things over here and a decade of BBC propaganda has turned a lot of the UK against the US' attitude.

I have nothing against America(ns) personally, but in answer to the OP - yeah, they are pretty damn hated over here in general. It's not just the magnified arrogance of a handful of yanks, but also the way their lifestyle is forced upon us. Americanization is actually a real term now and we don't want anything to do with it.
 
Somehow, still, everybody hates you guys and this thread is to find out why that is

America is the strongest and most powerful country in the world. What's cooler to hate than that? Get you all the bitches at the non-chain coffee shop.

This is really just...not true. To use one rather important example, the UK is miles ahead of the US in anything involving M.S. (How do I know this? My mother suffers for it.) This is not true only for M.S., but any disease that involves embryonic stem cells for treatment.

Obviously. How about diseases that don't invole treatment which is illegal to research in America?
 
I dont believe it is illegal to research embryonic stem cells at all.. It just isnt funded by the government or something?

Yeah, a lot of the reason for hatred of America is because they take a leading role in foreign affairs, because they are able to. But that probably wouldnt be the case if America wasnt so shit at it. I mean there is just so much wrong with the world, and if you want to blame someone, it sorta makes sense to blame the nation with the most power to change things.

Also, Coffee in america is really gross..

But more than anything, the reason is Americas cultural isolation. In general Americans just arent exposed to the rest of the world enough..

Have a nice day.
 
I dont believe it is illegal to research embryonic stem cells at all.. It just isnt funded by the government or something?

they stopped funding research of new stem cell lines once the law that said that they wouldnt fund research was made

Yeah, a lot of the reason for hatred of America is because they take a leading role in foreign affairs, because they are able to. But that probably wouldnt be the case if America wasnt so shit at it. I mean there is just so much wrong with the world, and if you want to blame someone, it sorta makes sense to blame the nation with the most power to change things.

its mostly because we make shit moves and because we are the most noticable.

Also, Coffee in america is really gross..

yea

But more than anything, the reason is Americas cultural isolation. In general Americans just arent exposed to the rest of the world enough..

Have a nice day.
 
So please, if we're gonna discuss World War II could we use the facts, not the brainwashing propaganda fed in American schools. I whole-heartedly accept and appreciate the aid offered by the US but ignorance like "Yeah, America has never done anything for the world. Except save its ass every time those ungrateful Euroweenies are getting their ass handed to them by the Germans or the Russians. When Europe needs something done to further their interests in foreign lands, who do they send for? American troops" is just disgusting.

If they were so intent on saving their asses then why did they wait until 1941? Why did they wait until they were attacked? Why did they wait till 4,000 American servicemen were wounded and nearly 200 American aircraft destroyed before involving themselves? Surely SuperAmerica could have helped out back when the war kicked off 1939? 2 days after Poland was invaded, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and France rushed to their aid and declared war on Germany. We had to wait another 2 years for any American help, and lets face it - it was the Soviets who won World War II.

First, we were sending aid, supplies, and support to the allies in the years going into the war, and Europe usually gets snooty on us if we dare enter their borders. I forget who said it, but they had a saying: "Americans are oversexed, overpaid, and over here." So quite frankly, they scorn us whether we're back over here or whether we're over there serving as reinforcements. They want it both ways. They want to shit all over us from afar, and then bitch at us as we're over there, generally against our will, helping keep their countries in order. Its a shame if we don't get involved soon enough, it's a shame if we're there at all. Quite frankly, America can't win in the court of European elites.

Remember Vietnam? Guess who we were replacing there? Why, the French. That should have been our first clue not to get involved, but it was wrapped in anti-communism so we did it anyway. Had we not have done what the hippies and Chamberlains of the 60's and 70's implored us too, the whole world would probably be better off.

In short, America gets spit on either way, so I think Hipmonlee has it right and I should just drop it.

And I can't believe that any American will sit there and boast about their involvement in World War II after the atrocities of August 1945. Attempt to justify that was much as you want, but hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children died in that week.

I have nothing against America(ns) personally, but in answer to the OP - yeah, they are pretty damn hated over here in general. It's not just the magnified arrogance of a handful of yanks, but also the way their lifestyle is forced upon us. Americanization is actually a real term now and we don't want anything to do with it.

Those "atrocities" of August 1945 I assume can only refer to the dropping of the Atomic bombs. I'll tell you what, every historian agrees that had we not done that, we would have gotten involved in a massive ground war for Japan, which would have cost millions of more lives, American and Japanese. Someone characterized it as the following: "The Japanese were willing to destroy themselves to defend a rock (Iwo Jima), imagine what they'll do if we try and invade Tokyo."

The bombs broke the Japanese will to fight. They surrendered, before the massive bloodshed of a ground war could begin. War is ugly, it employs a horrible utilitarian moral compass. The fact is, in aforementioned utilitarian ethic, millions of solely Japanese deaths within a week is superior to tens of millions of both Japanese and American deaths over several years. The bombs brought a quick, decisive end to what could have been the bloodiest battle the world had yet seen. Moreover, America was not the only side developing a bomb. I wonder how much history would have changed if Stalin was the first to launch it.
 
To make that argument, it would have to be entirely clear that there was no possible other way the war could have ended.. I dont believe it.

Have a nice day.
 
Deck Knight. You don't seem to understand. Lee isn't saying the US had no part in WWII. He's referring to your attitude that Americans single-handedly saved Europe from Hitler.
 
Hip, I'm sure the war would have ended after a land invasion of Japan, but it would have cost far more lives, taken longer, and destroyed more of the country. I don't think it's too insane to extrapolate that a successful land invasion would have resulted in the deaths of a major portion of the Japanese people, and the destruction of many cities.
 
Deck Knight. You don't seem to understand. Lee isn't saying the US had no part in WWII. He's referring to your attitude that Americans single-handedly saved Europe from Hitler.

Never said that either. See, here's the thing, I've never called America perfect, in fact, I can give you an exhaustive list of things I find deeply depressing about America. I always give credit where it's due, but I won't sit around and hear people lambaste America for being too late, after it's been asked "what has America done for the world?" It's the kind of disingenuous, dishonest crap that I won't let fly.

Fact is, the Eastern Front of the war was all Russia. Hitler made possibly the largest military blunder in history trying to take Russia over right before winter. If Hitler wern't such a dumbfuck and only focused on Western Europe, he might have taken everything over. As far as Western Europe, France started with a dumb move only defending one position, and the Blitzkreig mowed them over. That left it mostly to Great Britian, the US, Canada, and the French resistance that didn't subserviently cow to the Germans. The US was the arms powerhouse for the allies, anyone who wasn't in the military was in the factories making weapons or supplies for the troops. We certainly didn't do all of the fighting but we were responsible for a large number of troops and massive supplies to the Western front.

Anyway, I digress. Talking about their long, wonderful history only serves the Europeans if you allow them to gloss over the less desirable parts. Americans really don't expect gratitude or even acknowledgment at this point. You know what, so what if you call us arrogant. We are. Why hide it? When we're nice, you spit on us. We help you when you're down and you spit on us again. We're simply a better breed. Our founders broke off from a bunch of warmongering aristocratic elitists, and apparently those countries haven't changed much in 230 years.

I think it was you who said it earlier Firestorm: We basically have everyone checkmated. So really, I suppose I can sum it up this way:

We don't really need anyone beyond basic economic relations, so we don't care if they act like beligerrent old farts. They're irrelevant and they have been for a bare minimum of 50 years. America is a winning country. We, with rare exception, always win in the long run. Ultimately if you go up against us, you will lose. Even if we lost Vietnam, it was not because we were tactically or militarily inferior, but because we were poisoned from within. The Commies still fell though, didn't they? Americans hate a loser, so there is little chance that will happen again. We're stubborn, persistent, and yes, arrogant. We get the job done, and to hell with anyone else before or after. We're fine with making deals and getting along, because generally having to clean up after Europe or the Third World's messes is not in our interest: we always end up as the cleaning crew. Take Darfur for example. Oh it's horrible, it's shocking, it's a deplorable atrocity. And America is thousands upon thousands of miles away, whereas Southern Europe and the Middle East are within the general area. In fact, you might say the Mujahideen that is raping and pillaging over there is a little gift from the Islamonuts.

See, America is the horrible, awful, hated "World Police." Until you need us for something. Then we're "The neccesary evil." In short, Americans try to have respect for the rest of the world, but most of it only serves as a truly pitiable, envy-ridden place. As far as our own country, we recognize we aren't perfect, but we're the best society on earth when all things are considered together. Arrogant? Maybe. Got a problem? Come and say it to our faces, you have the freedom to. In fact, we've already had a few Euronuts do it. Hell, the UN does it on a daily basis.
 
You know what, so what if you call us arrogant. We are. Why hide it?

We're simply a better breed. Our founders broke off from a bunch of warmongering aristocratic elitists, and apparently those countries haven't changed much in 230 years.

We basically have everyone checkmated.

We don't really need anyone beyond basic economic relations, so we don't care if they act like beligerrent old farts. They're irrelevant and they have been for a bare minimum of 50 years.

America is a winning country. We, with rare exception, always win in the long run. Ultimately if you go up against us, you will lose.

We're stubborn, persistent, and yes, arrogant. We get the job done, and to hell with anyone else before or after.

Arrogant? Maybe. Got a problem? Come and say it to our faces.

You know what really gets to me from that post. You, Deck Knight, sound like a fucking Nazi.

And I could have made another long-assed post here, but the fact is Deck Knight has rounded off the thread quite nicely. If America is the most hated nation on earth, it's because assholes like this let their big mouth fly with enough arrogant, elitist bullshit to give a cow a heart-attack.

And while I doubt any other Americans here agree with his Nazi-bullshit, it's that sort of attitude that gets magnified to the rest of the world.
 
What Nazi bullshit? No, really, there's nothing in his post that reeks of Naziism to me (I'm Jewish, I should know). But hey, looks like Godwin's law was just fulfilled.
 
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