ah so lando actually moved down :3
nomming mega gyarados for a rank. i said maybe a month ago that mega gyarados was the most consistently effective mega sweeper in the metagame with mawile's ban, and at that point i think this was correct. but fast forward to now and it's just nowhere near as good. every single team has answers to this. scarf landt is running superpower, people are using scarf keldeo and in general keldeo is running hp electric more so it's always a 50/50, ferro moved down whatever but it's still #2 in tour usage lol it's pretty damn common, azumarill is a problem for it, slowbros which now run gk no less are a problem for it, i think you get the point. offensive teams don't let it set up and generally have some sort of way to stop a set-up mega gyarados anyways. like really, what high-rank mons does it even set up against? in s and a+ ranks heatran, choice-locked keldeo, and lando are the only things it can set up on with any degree of safeness, let alone getting actual switch-in opportunities. it's kind of a one-trick pony as in you know exactly what's coming from it unlike really any of the other pokemon in a+ rank besides mega pinsir which is just overwhelmingly powerful and difficult to deal with among other reasons that make it very worth of this rank. i honestly feel that mega gyarados struggles in this metagame, i've talked to trc among other people and the overwhelming majority agrees with this. this is a bit overdue and should really happen now.
nomming chansey for b+ rank. this wasn't moved down the last time this was brought up for a few reasons but now it is bordering on non-existence in this metagame and moving it down is really appropriate. chansey just doesn't...BEAT that much anymore. many of the offensive teams in this metagame revolving around double bunny cores, physically based offensive cores it can even be a liability in the face of. the other problem is that it just SITS there and is an invitation for many mons to come in especially mega heracross and medicham which can come in on the most telegraphed yet forced switch-ins in the universe. it's easily worn down because oftentimes it's forced out as teams naturally need it to handle certain things and then it can just be doubled on and worn down by rocks, to the point where it gets set up on or worn down to the point where it can't handle whatever it needs to deal with that well. its main home has always been stall teams, but these are becoming more and more uncommon, and the ones that do exist aren't really using chansey because it doesn't cover any of these major wallbreaking/stallbreaking threats, like it's another invitation for mew to come in, it's another invitation for gar to come in, it's another invitation for hera to come in, and greninja/zard y/off tran/zam/latis (which at least for latios it isn't exactly something to be used as a sole answer to because roost latios will eventually wear out chansey before it is worn out) can be handled in other ways so it's not like chansey is providing some sort of irreplaceable threat coverage. i don't even think it's comparable to skarm at this point which actually has a really valuable role in the metagame what with the ubiquity of pinsir, diggersby, sd chomp, and bisharp as well as the immense utility provided by defog.
victini should remain b+ rank basically for the reasons alexwolf mentioned in his post. a sr weakness among a bunch of other common weaknesses, like water and ground, as well as a pursuit weakness, are severely detrimental to its overall performance. vs a team with a scarf ttar it is having huge amounts of trouble functioning just by proxy of it being there. it really has limited switch-in opportunities, and even the mons to which it does get switch-in opportunities sr often deters it and opponents can pressure it with double switches. it does check a bunch of scary mons like clef and the 3 big scary megas but it doesn't have reliable recovery to sustain itself so it can do this consistently, and in general, there are quite a few checks to it. like defensive landt is a problem, slowbro is a problem, hippowdon (which is getting more usage now) is a problem, zard x is a problem, defensive gliscor you get the point that defensive teams have answers to it. it's hurt by the recent surge in garchomp as well and is overall easily checked by the ubiquitous waters in ou (they're not switch-ins necessarily but big thorns in its side). offensive teams usually have some sort of at least one-time response for it and defensive teams tend to be able to handle it via one of their walls, among aforementioned weaknesses i just don't think a- is appropriate.
4k so um shoutout qc ppl ou room guys mag & frens and other misc for makin this fun o.o
edit: TRC is a stupid (BAN ME PLEASE)
edit2: holy fuck its gary
nomming mega gyarados for a rank. i said maybe a month ago that mega gyarados was the most consistently effective mega sweeper in the metagame with mawile's ban, and at that point i think this was correct. but fast forward to now and it's just nowhere near as good. every single team has answers to this. scarf landt is running superpower, people are using scarf keldeo and in general keldeo is running hp electric more so it's always a 50/50, ferro moved down whatever but it's still #2 in tour usage lol it's pretty damn common, azumarill is a problem for it, slowbros which now run gk no less are a problem for it, i think you get the point. offensive teams don't let it set up and generally have some sort of way to stop a set-up mega gyarados anyways. like really, what high-rank mons does it even set up against? in s and a+ ranks heatran, choice-locked keldeo, and lando are the only things it can set up on with any degree of safeness, let alone getting actual switch-in opportunities. it's kind of a one-trick pony as in you know exactly what's coming from it unlike really any of the other pokemon in a+ rank besides mega pinsir which is just overwhelmingly powerful and difficult to deal with among other reasons that make it very worth of this rank. i honestly feel that mega gyarados struggles in this metagame, i've talked to trc among other people and the overwhelming majority agrees with this. this is a bit overdue and should really happen now.
nomming chansey for b+ rank. this wasn't moved down the last time this was brought up for a few reasons but now it is bordering on non-existence in this metagame and moving it down is really appropriate. chansey just doesn't...BEAT that much anymore. many of the offensive teams in this metagame revolving around double bunny cores, physically based offensive cores it can even be a liability in the face of. the other problem is that it just SITS there and is an invitation for many mons to come in especially mega heracross and medicham which can come in on the most telegraphed yet forced switch-ins in the universe. it's easily worn down because oftentimes it's forced out as teams naturally need it to handle certain things and then it can just be doubled on and worn down by rocks, to the point where it gets set up on or worn down to the point where it can't handle whatever it needs to deal with that well. its main home has always been stall teams, but these are becoming more and more uncommon, and the ones that do exist aren't really using chansey because it doesn't cover any of these major wallbreaking/stallbreaking threats, like it's another invitation for mew to come in, it's another invitation for gar to come in, it's another invitation for hera to come in, and greninja/zard y/off tran/zam/latis (which at least for latios it isn't exactly something to be used as a sole answer to because roost latios will eventually wear out chansey before it is worn out) can be handled in other ways so it's not like chansey is providing some sort of irreplaceable threat coverage. i don't even think it's comparable to skarm at this point which actually has a really valuable role in the metagame what with the ubiquity of pinsir, diggersby, sd chomp, and bisharp as well as the immense utility provided by defog.
victini should remain b+ rank basically for the reasons alexwolf mentioned in his post. a sr weakness among a bunch of other common weaknesses, like water and ground, as well as a pursuit weakness, are severely detrimental to its overall performance. vs a team with a scarf ttar it is having huge amounts of trouble functioning just by proxy of it being there. it really has limited switch-in opportunities, and even the mons to which it does get switch-in opportunities sr often deters it and opponents can pressure it with double switches. it does check a bunch of scary mons like clef and the 3 big scary megas but it doesn't have reliable recovery to sustain itself so it can do this consistently, and in general, there are quite a few checks to it. like defensive landt is a problem, slowbro is a problem, hippowdon (which is getting more usage now) is a problem, zard x is a problem, defensive gliscor you get the point that defensive teams have answers to it. it's hurt by the recent surge in garchomp as well and is overall easily checked by the ubiquitous waters in ou (they're not switch-ins necessarily but big thorns in its side). offensive teams usually have some sort of at least one-time response for it and defensive teams tend to be able to handle it via one of their walls, among aforementioned weaknesses i just don't think a- is appropriate.
4k so um shoutout qc ppl ou room guys mag & frens and other misc for makin this fun o.o
edit: TRC is a stupid (BAN ME PLEASE)
edit2: holy fuck its gary
Last edited:
