ORAS General Discussion - Mark 2 - Spoilers Inside

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Going by the lore, one could guess the differences between Rayquaza's Mega Evolution and a regular Mega. It evolved when the Church of Rayquaza prayed to it's savior before the Great Stone. It didn't have a trainer, a pratice only seen before in the movies by Mewtwo and Diancie. Diancie used a Mega Stone of her own creation and didn't require a Key Stone, while Mewtwo could spontaneously transform into it's MMY form with no requirements needed. The Great Stone could either be a Mega Stone or a Key Stone, but personally I would guess it's the Rayquazite. The method worked because Rayquaza Mega Evolved in the Stone's presence, most probably at Sky Pillar. In-game, that would mean Rayquaza could Mega Evolve when you battle it at Sky Pillar despite being a wild Pokémon (reacting to the prayers of the people suffering the effects of Desolate Land or Primordial Sea), then you grab a chunk of the Great Stone and give it to the dragon to carry around.
 
Going by the lore, one could guess the differences between Rayquaza's Mega Evolution and a regular Mega. It evolved when the Church of Rayquaza prayed to it's savior before the Great Stone. It didn't have a trainer, a pratice only seen before in the movies by Mewtwo and Diancie. Diancie used a Mega Stone of her own creation and didn't require a Key Stone, while Mewtwo could spontaneously transform into it's MMY form with no requirements needed. The Great Stone could either be a Mega Stone or a Key Stone, but personally I would guess it's the Rayquazite. The method worked because Rayquaza Mega Evolved in the Stone's presence, most probably at Sky Pillar. In-game, that would mean Rayquaza could Mega Evolve when you battle it at Sky Pillar despite being a wild Pokémon (reacting to the prayers of the people suffering the effects of Desolate Land or Primordial Sea), then you grab a chunk of the Great Stone and give it to the dragon to carry around.
If that's true... then trying to catch Rayquaza is going to be even more of a not-so-fun time. Especially if you're trying to SR for a 5 IV one. Though we likely won't be getting anywhere near it until the post-game, after the Primal legendary has been already dealt with, so no one's going to be suffering the intense sun/rain by the time Sky Pillar is open aside from whomever you unleash the beast on.
 
Would be surprised if the Jade Orb wasn't tied into it as well

I don't know. Originally that what I thought was going to happen, you'd Primal Devolve them via using their Orb. However then Rayquaza only got a Mega Evolution but it was revealed it has something to do with a rainbow stone. Now I'm not to sure if their Orbs will play anything with Groudon and Kyogre's Primal Devolution or Rayquaza's Mega Evolution. I mean they still could, but then again for storyline reasons the Orbs should be returned to My. Pyre as they're sacred reliHAHAHA! Sorry, I just remembered the games don't really care if something a sacred relic or not to let the player have it. The Timespace Orbs, DNA Splicer, Reveal Glass, heck even Fossils of Pokemon which are 100 million years old. "Hey good I barely know for a day, you should have this artifact becase, now don't break it while you run around all over the world!".

Going by the lore, one could guess the differences between Rayquaza's Mega Evolution and a regular Mega. It evolved when the Church of Rayquaza prayed to it's savior before the Great Stone. It didn't have a trainer, a pratice only seen before in the movies by Mewtwo and Diancie. Diancie used a Mega Stone of her own creation and didn't require a Key Stone, while Mewtwo could spontaneously transform into it's MMY form with no requirements needed. The Great Stone could either be a Mega Stone or a Key Stone, but personally I would guess it's the Rayquazite. The method worked because Rayquaza Mega Evolved in the Stone's presence, most probably at Sky Pillar. In-game, that would mean Rayquaza could Mega Evolve when you battle it at Sky Pillar despite being a wild Pokémon (reacting to the prayers of the people suffering the effects of Desolate Land or Primordial Sea), then you grab a chunk of the Great Stone and give it to the dragon to carry around.

I wouldn't take what the anime showed as hard proof how Mega Evolution works, especially in the case of Mega Mewtwo Y.

Also I'm going to assume that, though we weren't shown the player using the Key Stone, we'd still use a Key Stone to activate the Primal Devolutions/Rayquaza's Mega Evolution. Most likely the reason all of them needed special ways to Primal Devolve/Mega Evolve was because they didn't have a close bond with anyone. Groudon and Kyogre stole from the planet's energy and Rayquaza needed hundreds of prayers to be channeled through a stone. However once you caught them and thus "bonded" with them, Groudon and Kyogre would be able to substitute the energy from your bond to Primal Devolve and Rayquaza would only need your bond to Mega Evolve, with them holding the right object of course.
 
I really like the M-Rayquaza's design. Definitely one of my favorites megas in ORAS and wow at the movepool and ability upgrade it got.

Interesting to note, but I believe this is the only OR/AS Mega Pokemon trailer where the trainer isn't seen activating their Key Stone.

Perhaps that's not a requirement and thus being the unique way of Mega Evolving that was mentioned.
I was thinking the same thing. Makes me wonder if the trainer will have to face M-Rayquaza when trying to capture it.
 
I'm really interested in seeing how Mega Rayquaza's weather will interact with Stealth Rock. I know for a fact that Mega Rayquaza itself will still take the 25% since it'll take the damage first and then activate it's ability. But what about other Pokemon like for example, if your opponent switches in Lugia, does it take 25% or 12.5%?
 
The Dragon Ascent move, which Rayquaza alone can use, is a powerful one. It boasts one of the greatest power ratings of all Flying-type moves, putting it at the top of its class. Not only will you be surprised by its overwhelming power—you'll be mesmerized by its majestic appearance! After soaring up toward the heavens in a great burst of speed, it crashes down in attack, dealing massive damage.

It boasts one of the greatest power ratings
 
Personally don't think they'll include the Jade Orb; I doubt they'd want to get bogged down in continuity from a really obscure part of an old Johto game. I think they're gonna try for something completely new, imho.
 
Going by the lore, one could guess the differences between Rayquaza's Mega Evolution and a regular Mega. It evolved when the Church of Rayquaza prayed to it's savior before the Great Stone. It didn't have a trainer, a pratice only seen before in the movies by Mewtwo and Diancie. Diancie used a Mega Stone of her own creation and didn't require a Key Stone, while Mewtwo could spontaneously transform into it's MMY form with no requirements needed. The Great Stone could either be a Mega Stone or a Key Stone, but personally I would guess it's the Rayquazite. The method worked because Rayquaza Mega Evolved in the Stone's presence, most probably at Sky Pillar. In-game, that would mean Rayquaza could Mega Evolve when you battle it at Sky Pillar despite being a wild Pokémon (reacting to the prayers of the people suffering the effects of Desolate Land or Primordial Sea), then you grab a chunk of the Great Stone and give it to the dragon to carry around.
I honestly wouldn't trust the anime for any game-relevant information due to how much they consistently BS things even today. Mewtwo having access to Mega Evolution is kind of a plothole in the games anyway, as no one in-universe understands the process enough to be able to create artificial Mega Stones.

Yeah the Jade Orb is non-canon when it comes to Hoenn lore in my opinion.
For all we know GF might decide to put it in as the way people communicated to Rayquaza.
 
I'm really interested in seeing how Mega Rayquaza's weather will interact with Stealth Rock. I know for a fact that Mega Rayquaza itself will still take the 25% since it'll take the damage first and then activate it's ability. But what about other Pokemon like for example, if your opponent switches in Lugia, does it take 25% or 12.5%?
They will most likely get hit by the entry hazard even if rayquaza is active in a double battle.
Its all about how they code it. The only thing that takes presedence over hazards are Healing wish and lunar dance wich heal you beforehand and then apply the hazard damage.
 
Still tho you could actually run a defensive Mega Ray if you wished. Its HP is still nice and with it losing alot of weaknesses and gaining buffs it could be a weird defensive non other scary offensive presence...

Sure it could be passed up for pure power but I would find it fun.
 
Might be a small thing, but:

The Japanese site has opened 2 more slots for Pokemon after Rayquaza.
So they might release 2 more megas before launch.
 
But no news about an American release yet. Or am I missing something?

No reveal for Demo, but the game is November 21st.

On another note, not sure if this can be asked here, but what is the chance that we get a limited edition system in America. Already have a 2DS so I really hope it's not the transparent ones. I REALLY hope they bring the Japanese limited edition ones over as I would definitely buy the Groudon one.
 
But no news about an American release yet. Or am I missing something?
You're right, but we can infer that it will come out for us October 15th or sometime around there since Japan, the UK, Australia and some other countries get it on that day and the others get it sometime in October.

EDIT: Said "confirm" instead of "infer" before. Oops.
 
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But no news about an American release yet. Or am I missing something?
According to Serebii; only the Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, and South Africa are listed to get the demo before the 15th. It seems a bit random given that Pokémon is mainly popular and prioritized with Japan, some parts of Europe, and the U.S. or maybe that's just me.
 
According to Serebii; only the Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, and South Africa are listed to get the demo before the 15th. It seems a bit random given that Pokémon is mainly popular and prioritized with Japan, some parts of Europe, and the U.S. or maybe that's just me.
No, I feel that too.
But maybe because those areas are where they earned the most money from.
 
First I thought Rayquaza getting a mega and not a primal form was weird, but now I've actually realized that the third cover legendary getting different (better) treatment is actually the rule and not the exception. Just think of Giratina and its alternate form or Kyurem and its TWO alternate forms. The story always has some explanation.
 
According to Serebii; only the Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, and South Africa are listed to get the demo before the 15th. It seems a bit random given that Pokémon is mainly popular and prioritized with Japan, some parts of Europe, and the U.S. or maybe that's just me.

Since when are the Netherlands and Switzerland not part of Europe? And by the way they won't be able to use those codes until the 15th, so what's the problem with them getting it early?
 
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