Mega salamence really isn't that big of a deal if you run a 252hp, 252Defense Impish(+Def-Sp.A) Mandibuzz on your team. It's bulky enough to take some hits from its return. But Foul Play is really what takes it down. Even if it sets up one dragon dance, Mandibuzz can kill it with foul play and still live. Not to mention greninja is still more great than ever with the new meta. Basically any strong physical dragon or ice sp.A user such as garchomp and greninja with a focus sash can live its attack and 1 hit KO it via (dragon claw and Ice beam). But Mandibuzz is your best choice with Roost and foul play
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Mega-Salamence: considering a quick ban (Don't ask for the thread to be closed!)
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Can someone run some calcs, please. I'm too lazy.
Such as shame focus sashes are so unreliable.
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 270-318 (63.8 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Good luck switching in.
Plus, with any prior damage:
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 180-213 (42.5 - 50.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Oh yeah, also
0 Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 148-175 (44.7 - 52.8%) -- 26.6% chance to 2HKO
Salamence can just Roost stall you.
That's why I say Mandibuzz is your best option, and yes I actually run a mandibuzz on my team. But about the sashes, they actually work on Salamence if they're not broken. Just threw in some more options if you don't want a mandibuzz
Trust me on the mandibuzz, I would post a replay if replay.pokemonshowdown worked.
It's never been an issue to me
It's never been an issue to me
He said with 252 HP, but the reasults are almost exactly the same (I am not saying Mega Salamence shouldn't be banned, infact I think it should, just posting proper calcs)
+1 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 246-291 (58 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 165-195 (38.9 - 45.9%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
If you run 252 HP, you take more damage from Stealth Rocks.
Or: if you run 252 HP on a Flying type: don't.
Ok now someone please calc a foul play mandibuzz on a +1 dragon danced Salamence
I agree with you, just using the set the guy used
If you seriously have to put yourself in a position to where you are weaker to stealth rock just for a 13.3% chance to take out something (In this case Mega Salamence), then there is a problem
+1 0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 211-249 (63.7 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
And that's without Intimidate.
Not to mention mence can easily run mixed sets and nuke mandibuzz with a Draco meteor or hyper voice fwiw.
As much as I like the Pokemon, mandibuzz is really just "eh" in this meta without aegislash.
As much as I like the Pokemon, mandibuzz is really just "eh" in this meta without aegislash.
Umm who runs sp.A mega salamence these days?
That was an adamant 252 Attack mega salamence btw
Replays are working! :O
Anyways, that's a really bad example because you should always assume that sr is on the field and there's never going to be a mence vs 6 mons situation.
Also, for the love of god, please stop double posting .-.
Mix mence is totally a legit thing.
Edit: triple posting is bad too, don't do that either. Use the edit function like I am.
The chances of it being behind a sub are extremely high anyway. So forget that you can't switch in, you probably can't even check it with max defence Mandibuzz.
Also, no offence, but that replay proves absolutely nothing. He had one pokemon on his team. You cannot seriously post a replay like that and expect it to show anything. The chances of mandibuzz being against a neutral salamence like that before it gets a chance to dragon dance are unbelievably low. 99% of the time you'll be staring down a +1 mence or a +1 mence behind a sub which demolishes mandibuzz.
Also, no offence, but that replay proves absolutely nothing. He had one pokemon on his team. You cannot seriously post a replay like that and expect it to show anything. The chances of mandibuzz being against a neutral salamence like that before it gets a chance to dragon dance are unbelievably low. 99% of the time you'll be staring down a +1 mence or a +1 mence behind a sub which demolishes mandibuzz.
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As I said, favorable conditions.
How many Salamence are going to try to set up against Mandibuzz, especially knowing that some know Whirlwind?
Learn to edit your posts please.
A lot of people.
That guy had one freaking Pokémon. Any other team would have answers to Mandibuzz. He was obviously a noob.
Fine, I'll keep battling until I find a mega salamence, unless any of you would care to test it out with me
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Even if Mandi did check/counter that's one mon and doesn't even come close to making it not banned. Look at the other megas that were banished to ubers last in XY and you'll see that they have counters/checks in ou but were sent to ubers anyway. If we are this hard-pressed to find even one solid counter then there is no point in discussing this further.
1. Stop double and triple posting
2. I do
Edit: or rather, I did before I concluded Salamence was cheap and would immediately be banned
and 3. Dude was using dragon claw instead of return, didn't have rocks set up, and was in general an idiot.
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Shouldn't take you long
I'll get on and battle you to prove my point.. Give me a few minutes and I'll build a team.
Umm Is double posting an issue here? Ohh and tell me Sp.A mega salamence is good when it brings you to the top of the ladder
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